Iran

[InVOLuntary]

I've perused a bit.

Those posts must have been deleted.

May have been. Glad I pointed it out.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Your point is still completely wrong. US Carriers don’t perform the mission you’re implying. And your inability to correctly read and interpret your AI results isn’t helping.

Your own AI results you keep attempting to parrot clearly state the Ford’s anti-missile capabilities are for “self-defense”. Her Sea Sparrows can maybe reach out 40 nmi, point defense weapons like her RAM or Phalanx much shorter.

Depending on how far out she is, she may not even be able to reach Israel with her defensive missiles.

But that’s beside the point - her defensive layers aren’t for intercepting ballistic missiles headed for Tel Aviv. She doesn’t carry offensive missiles that can reach out and touch you at range.

When Ford wants to reach out and touch you, she slingshots those little triangle shaped machines off her deck.

Do you have any idea, at all, as to what the role and purpose of a carrier is?

You've still not provided a single shred of proof to support your claims while I at least have the Google AI clearly saying that protecting Israel is one of the reasons the USS Gerald Ford was positioned next to Israel rather than elsewhere.

 

[hndog609]

lol, you think you have access to the same AI tools the Pentagon does?

unless you are paying stupid amounts of money which ever AI slop you are using is like poling Redit for answers. yeah you may get some basics, but you aren't going to get the real context a real expert would actually provide.

the point you are missing with the Ford defense systems is they ONLY protect the Ford. they do not protect even the other ships around the Ford, yet alone an entire country or even a city. It doesn't matter how advanced the Ford's systems are, they aren't protecting Israel. There ARE ships in our navy with that capability, but your trust in AI slop is incapable of processing that. Where semantics would actually come into play is what is the "best" system out there. the Ford probably does have the best carrier defense system, as in protecting itself system. But for intercepting ballistic missiles hundreds of miles away the best system is probably on a cruiser or destroyer.

Kinda like bringing in a different kicker for an extra long FG. yeah the one guy is the best from 45 in, but 50 out, there is a better kicker. in this situation the Ford has the best extra point kicker, and you are trying to equate that to long range field goals.

don't trust the AI, it doesn't make you any more informed than you were before.

Thanks for laying that out. I was thinking about doing so but I've grown so averse to his "run in circles until you get tired" ploy that I just don't engage the guy any longer. His commitment to things he wants to believe is nigh indefatigable.

 

[KB5252]

Provide proof or evidence to support your claims. I provided my proof with the Google AI summary.

The USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) utilizes a layered missile defense system with a primary medium-range interceptor, the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM), which has a range of approximately 31 miles (roughly 50 km). These missiles are designed to engage fast, maneuvering anti-ship missiles and aircraft, operating alongside shorter-range systems.
YouTube +1
Key defensive systems on the Ford include:

• ESSM (RIM-162): Medium-range, supersonic missiles (speeds over Mach 4).
• Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) (RIM-116): Short-range point-defense.
• Phalanx Close-In Weapon System (CIWS): Last-resort gun system

Aircraft carriers typically operate 100 to 700+ nautical miles offshore during conflict, balancing the need to stay outside the 1,000+ mile range of enemy anti-ship missiles with the requirement for aircraft to reach targets. While older conflicts allowed closer positioning, modern threats often force carriers to stay further away, utilizing refueling tankers to extend strike range.




Here's your proof................. Basic understanding of capabilities would convince most that the mission you advanced was problematic.

 

[MAD]

Hezbollah has now joined in

This is historic.

The Lebanese government announces the immediate ban on Hezbollah's military activities.

 

[volsforever27]

Oct 7th wouldn't have happened had the US not been handcuffing Israel for decades.

Some of these posters would be really pissed if we (The U.S.) just let Israel do what it takes to defend itself. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking it wouldn't be pretty.

 

[85SugarVol]

If I’m on a flight today and several Muslims get on, should I get off

Yoooo BOT @BigOrangeTrain - can we get a ruling here?

 

[85SugarVol]

Paging @BigOrangeTrain

Damn, you beat me.

BOT still gets big pissy when I bring it up in the RF ha.

 

[ButchPlz]

Some of these posters would be really pissed if we (The U.S.) just let Israel do what it takes to defend itself. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking it wouldn't be pretty.

Reminder:


When we stop paying for them and they present a repayment plan for this, then we can be "not allowed" to have a say on what they do- they can have their own judgement, or otherwise.

 

[volbeast33]

Scott Jennings:

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Reality:

US intel did not suggest a preemptive strike from Iran before US-Israeli attacks, AP sources say

Trump administration officials told congressional staff in private briefings that U.S. intelligence did not suggest Iran was preparing to launch a preemptive strike against the U.S.

apnews.com

What if you don’t trust either one of them?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I have no use or tolerance for conspiracies. Especially when the conspiracy are founded in racist tropes of Jews as money people using purse strings to puppet others.

Others do it all the time. I see the relationship as pragmatic; not conspiracy.

So AIPAC funding that is federally tracked is a "conspiracy"? Jeffrey Epstein's is also a "conspiracy" despite being tied to Presidents and other world leaders?

 

[Smokey123]

You've still not provided a single shred of proof to support your claims while I at least have the Google AI clearly saying that protecting Israel is one of the reasons the USS Gerald Ford was positioned next to Israel rather than elsewhere.

Since ai for some reason is the only thing you understand. And your idiotic suggestion was to place it next to Iran.

 

[NashVol11]

What if you don’t trust either one of them?

Then you would likely take the latter position given the lack of evidence otherwise

 

[85SugarVol]

The system is automated, for self defense. The protection doesn't extend to defending Israel in any meaningful way. 7 miles is the Sparrow range, that's the longest of its defense capabilities. Exactly how is it protecting Israel?

It is also rare to have two carrier groups in close proximity, for many very obvious reasons.

You’re right, he’s wrong. He doesn’t understand the basic function of a carrier.

But the new Evolved Sea Sparrows can reach out over 30 nmi. Doesn’t change their function (defense of the ship), just thought I’d share.

 

[McDad]

So AIPAC funding that is federally tracked is a "conspiracy"? Jeffrey Epstein's is also a "conspiracy" despite being tied to Presidents and other world leaders?

The interpretation of what the money is for, the impact it has, and the end goal is where the conspiracies live.

An example of my point posted by you (bold by me):

No. The world is better without Netanyahu and the Israelis behind the Epstein mafia that has controlled this country.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You don't see the forest because you are focused on a single leaf.

The interests of our nation are intertwined with many others. Those working with and against us.

Would you agree that this nation is already involved in an economic war with others? And was this economic war not long ago predicted? I remember it being discussed in the mid to late 90's. Certainly it was discussed as inevitable by the early 2000's

That economic warfare has bled over into conflict abroad via proxy since about 2012.

Quit making this about a single nation, it's insulting to anyone with intellectual honesty and intelligence.

Exactly how does American soldiers dying halfway across the world in the Middle East benefit us? Didn't Donald Trump get elected arguing against these very wars in the Middle East?

I'm not saying its impossible for our interests to be aligned with other nations. I'm saying its IMPOSSIBLE for our interests to be aligned with the present state of Israel. They are an anvil around our neck and the only reason our government goes along with it is because we have been infiltrated from the inside by Zionists masquerading as Americans.

 

[EasternVol]

That Palestinians were unfairly turned away.
They were not.
Jews were turned away at the same time. The shelters were first come first serve.


But you knew that already

So you didn't read the article.

 

[EasternVol]

Ironic post is ironic

Wildly ironic post is wildly ironic.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) utilizes a layered missile defense system with a primary medium-range interceptor, the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM), which has a range of approximately 31 miles (roughly 50 km). These missiles are designed to engage fast, maneuvering anti-ship missiles and aircraft, operating alongside shorter-range systems.
YouTube +1
Key defensive systems on the Ford include:

• ESSM (RIM-162): Medium-range, supersonic missiles (speeds over Mach 4).
• Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) (RIM-116): Short-range point-defense.
• Phalanx Close-In Weapon System (CIWS): Last-resort gun system

Aircraft carriers typically operate 100 to 700+ nautical miles offshore during conflict, balancing the need to stay outside the 1,000+ mile range of enemy anti-ship missiles with the requirement for aircraft to reach targets. While older conflicts allowed closer positioning, modern threats often force carriers to stay further away, utilizing refueling tankers to extend strike range.




Here's your proof................. Basic understanding of capabilities would convince most that the mission you advanced was problematic.

Please provide a link to your source.

 

[KB5252]

You've still not provided a single shred of proof to support your claims while I at least have the Google AI clearly saying that protecting Israel is one of the reasons the USS Gerald Ford was positioned next to Israel rather than elsewhere.

Please explain how that carrier parked a hundred miles offshore can protect Israelis when it's self defense systems aren't capable of that range......... Furthermore please explain how that system incapable of protecting Israelis would protect American Service members if parked elsewhere.

 

[volsforever27]

Reminder:
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When we stop paying for them and they present a repayment plan for this, then we can be "not allowed" to have a say on what they do- they can have their own judgement, or otherwise.

I didn't say we should be giving them billions. I just said if we told them do you, we're out... Some would be whining in here about what they (Isreal) did next.

 

[KB5252]

You’re right, he’s wrong. He doesn’t understand the basic function of a carrier.

But the new Evolved Sea Sparrows can reach out over 30 nmi. Doesn’t change their function (defense of the ship), just thought I’d share.

Fair enough, I also noticed that in a follow up search I used to research my position.

 

[ButchPlz]

I didn't say we should be giving them billions. I just said if we told them do you, we're out... Some would be whining in here about what they (Isreal) did next.

Perhaps, but those types would whine about anything.

Until then, if they're footing the bill, they can whine all they want.

Also, "Israel".

 

[MontyPython]

“Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth told reporters Monday that there are no US boots on the ground in Iran right now, but he added that he would not discuss whether the military would consider sending in ground troops in the future.

“No,” Hegseth said when asked if there were American boots on the ground. “But we’re not going to go into the exercise of what we will or will not do.”

Translation: They’re considering boots on the ground.

 

[KB5252]

Please provide a link to your source.

It was AI overview via a Google search. But I guess you probably won't trust that either because they are part of the great Epstein Jewish conspiracy to deny land based service members non existent carrier protection from ballistic missiles.

Google it yourself or don't....... Stay ignorant for all I care