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[McDad]

I think saying "stable presence" touches on both the nation and its effect on the region around it.

I don't think it's a misread on us as it might be a mislead on you.

"Stable presence" may touch on both.

But I didn't use that phrase in the post. The inference was yours.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Yeah, the crazies furlough are over. Back on the meds. And then the real people have go clean up after them.

Yeah. This must be what it's like to view the world through foxnews/trumps eyes

 

[Rickyvol77]

Well it seems it was deleted. You do you, but I wouldn't go around touting what one loons said as anything resembling a barometric reading of anyone here.

Plenty of people say tons of crazy sh*t here on a daily basis.

I definitely wasn't assigning him to everyone's views

I am not pro-Israel anymore than I am pro-Japan or any pro democratic ally, I didn't even support us getting involved more than support against Iran, although I am hopeful for the Iranian people and glad we are eliminating that regime.

The issue on the "anti-semitic" discussion on this thread (at least from me) isn't about criticizing Israel or the IDF, it's saying wild conspiracy theories and things that are obviously either clinically insane OR something an actual Islamic nutjob or Nazi would say...

I feel in this thread there are 2-3 posters who are true liberals or just anti-IDF and that's fine, there are a couple of the usual contrarians (anything Trump does is bad so i must be against it), a couple of the uninformed idiots, and then 1-2 nasty nasty anti-Jewish people who literally bring up those comments in every single thread. Those last two are the ones I am referring to and criticizing

 

[85SugarVol]

Okay. How does it change the actual point of my argument if its only the most advanced anti-missile technology on a carrier rather than entire navy?

We're still utilizing American firepower to protect Israeli lives over American ones. You can continue policing semantics. I'll continue to defend our troops lives over Israeli lives.

Your point is still completely wrong. US Carriers don’t perform the mission you’re implying. And your inability to correctly read and interpret your AI results isn’t helping.

Your own AI results you keep attempting to parrot clearly state the Ford’s anti-missile capabilities are for “self-defense”. Her Sea Sparrows can maybe reach out 40 nmi, point defense weapons like her RAM or Phalanx much shorter.

Depending on how far out she is, she may not even be able to reach Israel with her defensive missiles.

But that’s beside the point - her defensive layers aren’t for intercepting ballistic missiles headed for Tel Aviv. She doesn’t carry offensive missiles that can reach out and touch you at range.

When Ford wants to reach out and touch you, she slingshots those little triangle shaped machines off her deck.

Do you have any idea, at all, as to what the role and purpose of a carrier is?

 

[utvolpj]

You very openly stated the world would be better without Israelis

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Doesn't that say without certain Israelis? I don't know how that's such a controversial statement. I think the world would be better without certain Americans as well as some Russians, Saudis, Iranians, etc

 

[FLVOL_79]

I have problems with someone saying the Jews were behind the Holocaust

I like this theory. It's like saying obese people are behind adding high fructose corn syrup to everything and making medicine expensive. Love it.

 

[LouderVol]

Where's your proof supporting this claim? I gave you my proof that the Ford was stationed to protect Israel with that AI response you discarded. Now provide your evidence for this claim.

dude, you don't get to post AI and call it proof. that is what you are failing to understand. its an opinion, AT BEST. nothing it says is inherently based on facts no matter how often you repeat it.

but as what the Ford is doing, I would say its hardly there to solely protect Israel, as its location its currently off the west coast of Morocco. hardly going to be actively defending Israel with its missile defense system.

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speaking of said missile defense system, here it is range. hopefully you don't need AI to tell you they aren't going to be shooting down missiles over Israel from Morocco with this system.

the Ford uses the SeaSparrow, which has less than 30 miles of range.

https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Files/Display-FactFiles/Article/2168965/seasparrow-missile-rim-7/

"The missile provides reliable ship self-defense capability"

you need to start your arguments from some other basis than AI.

 

[NashVol11]

EDIT: Deleted because of language, but MTG has some strong feelings about Laura Looker and this war

 

[McDad]

You sure about that? Or have they been bribed by AIPAC and blackmailed by Epstein?

And why would a government on its own volition prioritize the interests of a foreign nation over their own? How does that make geopolitical sense? Has it ever happened before in history?

I have no use or tolerance for conspiracies. Especially when the conspiracy are founded in racist tropes of Jews as money people using purse strings to puppet others.

Others do it all the time. I see the relationship as pragmatic; not conspiracy.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Whose lecturing? I'm actually just posting evidence like how we've prioritized protecting Israeli lives over American ones. Prove to me that we're not fighting a war for another nation. That isn't lecturing. Its a debate which is what discussion boards are for.

One cannot prove a negative. Logic 101

 

[Delmar]

No. Just the fools who latch on to the propaganda. Every war has them.

You have “mad” liking your posts. That should be enough to convince anyone they’re on the side of mentally ill.

Just some advice (that someone may have already pointed out). You have only D4H liking your posts and that speaks volumes. You shouldn’t be talking about anybody else being “mentally ill”.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Jewish influence is defensive.
Jewish influence in America is not about taking over, imposing Jewish law, or replacing the system.
It’s about making sure Israel stays strong enough to survive in a region where every neighbor has tried to annihilate it.

Last I checked they're the ones attacking their neighbors recently. So exactly how is it defensive when you're the one striking first as is the case in this most recent conflict with Iran? Also how is the Greater Israel project to expand its borders "defensive"?

Israel looks more like an imperialistic force in the Middle East than a nation just trying to defend itself. Iran is the one who looks like they're just trying to defend themselves.

 

[85SugarVol]

Looks like one of the either Pilot or WSO is female.

So it must have been a Strike Eagle then. Hope they’re in safe hands.

 

[KB5252]

You sure about that? Or have they been bribed by AIPAC and blackmailed by Epstein?

And why would a government on its own volition prioritize the interests of a foreign nation over their own? How does that make geopolitical sense? Has it ever happened before in history?

You don't see the forest because you are focused on a single leaf.

The interests of our nation are intertwined with many others. Those working with and against us.

Would you agree that this nation is already involved in an economic war with others? And was this economic war not long ago predicted? I remember it being discussed in the mid to late 90's. Certainly it was discussed as inevitable by the early 2000's

That economic warfare has bled over into conflict abroad via proxy since about 2012.

Quit making this about a single nation, it's insulting to anyone with intellectual honesty and intelligence.

 

[hog88]

Agreed. Either Israel is a viable nation-state in a volatile region which can stand on its own two feet or it isn't. It is well past the time for everyone to find out.

100% agree. I don't think it would turn out well for their enemies but so be it.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The system is automated, for self defense. The protection doesn't extend to defending Israel in any meaningful way. 7 miles is the Sparrow range, that's the longest of its defense capabilities. Exactly how is it protecting Israel?

It is also rare to have two carrier groups in close proximity, for many very obvious reasons.

Provide proof or evidence to support your claims. I provided my proof with the Google AI summary.

 

[85SugarVol]

Another article pretending not to know and understand that Zionists are in fact the lead terrorists in the world and have sponsored everything from slavery, sex trafficking, the Holocaust, Islam, and Communism.

We need some more mentally challenged Boomers telling us all who the enemy of the state is while also telling us the importance of vaccinating the Goyim, following the food pyramid and making sure we replace as many natural ingredients with preservatives and artificial flavors as possible.

Jews sponsored the Holocaust

 

[ButchPlz]

You don't see the forest because you are focused on a single leaf.

The interests of our nation are intertwined with many others. Those working with and against us.

Would you agree that this nation is already involved in an economic war others? And was this economic war not long ago predicted? I remember it being discussed in the mood to late 90's. Certainly it was discussed as inevitable by the early 2000's

That economic warfare has bled over into conflict abroad via proxy since about 2012.

Quit making this about a single nation, it's insulting to anyone with intellectual honesty and intelligence.

The reason this gets made about a single nation is here:

 

[hog88]

By call them out you mean delete the many posts that cross lines? That actually happens

Why delete those posts? Let people expose themselves for who they really are, stop protecting them.

 

[McDad]

100% agree. I don't think it would turn out well for their enemies but so be it.

I don't either. The enemies are usually in bed with Russia and China. But using Ukraine as a guide, I cannot image the influence of Russian military hardware to be something Israel would not easily overcome.

 

[hog88]

You may call them stable but they are not a stabilizing force in the region. Their influence is not viewed as positive over there

Maybe if their neighbors would leave them the F alone?

 

[hog88]

I guess I missed the part where Israel is considered a stable presence at any point in the past 4 or 5 decades.

How are they unstable?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You very openly stated the world would be better without Israelis

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Reading comprehension buddy.

I said the world would be better without the Israelis BEHIND THE EPSTEIN MAFIA THAT HAS CONTROLLED THIS COUNTRY. Pretty important qualifier there. Unless you're presuming every Israeli is guilty of Epstein and his co-conspirators crimes. I'm personally not antisemitic like you apparently might be so I don't extend the crimes of Epstein and his ilk on all Israelis. That's why I clearly said it was the Epstein mafia that needed to be taken out not all the people of Israel.

 

[hog88]

So…..if Israel doesn’t have the big stick of the United States to prevent attacks from happening on a grand scale…..do you support their use of Nukes to defend themselves?

Because let’s be real. The middle east is a tinder box and if it may go off anyway, but I have no doubts as to the results if Israel is allowed to stand as they wish.

Oct 7th wouldn't have happened had the US not been handcuffing Israel for decades.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Yeah. This must be what it's like to view the world through foxnews/trumps eyes

Did you go back on yiur meds? Hopefully you'll have a better week.