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[Rickyvol77]

You're just mad that we talked about all those kids getting molested in churches. Instead of throwing a tantrum, you guys should really try to fix such a terrible ongoing problem in your churches, even if it means getting counseling or turning yourself in to the police.

Kids get molested everywhere, home with their families and schools are the top two places BTW

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm not the only one here. If you're so offended then use the report function that's included free of charge

Maybe not everyone wants speech limited as much as you do

Lol, go back and use your reading comprehension skills and find where i wanted them deleted. I just think it's funny, in a curious way why you never call them out. Everyone knows you're quick to call out any post you disagree with. Maybe because you don't disagree with them.

 

[MAD]

Yeah, I think they have an effective lobby but "infiltrated" is too far for me

Jewish influence is defensive.
Jewish influence in America is not about taking over, imposing Jewish law, or replacing the system.
It’s about making sure Israel stays strong enough to survive in a region where every neighbor has tried to annihilate it.


Muslim influence is offensive.
In Europe and America, Muslim activism is about replacing the system that built the West with sharia or sharia-inspired governance. When Muslims gain influence, they don’t argue for defense, they argue for offense.


When you attack Israel, you’re not attacking some random Middle Eastern state. You’re attacking the symbol and the reality of Jewish survival, the survival of the very moral framework you claim to defend in the West.
The civilizational war today has collapsed into a single choice. Whether you like it or not, you either stand with Israel or you stand with Islam. There is no middle ground.
Neutrality doesn’t exist, because Islam doesn’t allow neutrality. Its worldview divides the world into two camps: dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) and dar al-harb (the house of war). If you’re not supporting Islam’s expansion, you’re its enemy.

Standing against Israel weakens the only state in the Middle East that shares the West’s basic values of sovereignty, democracy, and human rights. And weakening Israel automatically empowers Islam.

Whether they realize it or not, the far right’s “neutral” position becomes functionally pro-Islam.
You can’t oppose both because the battlefield has already been drawn: support Israel, or watch Islam advance.

 

[McDad]

You may call them stable but they are not a stabilizing force in the region. Their influence is not viewed as positive over there

It is unrealistic to expect Israel to stabilize the region. The region is inherently unstable with or without Israel. The stability of Israel as a government is where the US finds value. I may be wrong, but I also think the US finds stability with Dubai, UAE, and Saudi Arabia as well.

 

[McDad]

Yeah, I think they have an effective lobby but "infiltrated" is too far for me

There is enough to be upset about without ascribing conspiracy to the arrangement.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm genuinely asking. I don't know where the line is for you, so I would appreciate it if you could show me.

I've never called for any deletion of any post. My point is pj never calls out antisemitic post. You can literally go back 2-3 pages and there all over. 3-4 posters don't hide their hate for Jews.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Is that someone in the room with us now, Richard?

Yea this post


Another article pretending not to know and understand that Zionists are in fact the lead terrorists in the world and have sponsored everything from slavery, sex trafficking, the Holocaust, Islam, and Communism.

We need some more mentally challenged Boomers telling us all who the enemy of the state is while also telling us the importance of vaccinating the Goyim, following the food pyramid and making sure we replace as many natural ingredients with preservatives and artificial flavors as possible.

 

[NashVol11]

Jewish influence is defensive.
Jewish influence in America is not about taking over, imposing Jewish law, or replacing the system.
It’s about making sure Israel stays strong enough to survive in a region where every neighbor has tried to annihilate it.


Muslim influence is offensive.
In Europe and America, Muslim activism is about replacing the system that built the West with sharia or sharia-inspired governance. When Muslims gain influence, they don’t argue for defense, they argue for offense.


When you attack Israel, you’re not attacking some random Middle Eastern state. You’re attacking the symbol and the reality of Jewish survival, the survival of the very moral framework you claim to defend in the West.
The civilizational war today has collapsed into a single choice. Whether you like it or not, you either stand with Israel or you stand with Islam. There is no middle ground.
Neutrality doesn’t exist, because Islam doesn’t allow neutrality. Its worldview divides the world into two camps: dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) and dar al-harb (the house of war). If you’re not supporting Islam’s expansion, you’re its enemy.

Standing against Israel weakens the only state in the Middle East that shares the West’s basic values of sovereignty, democracy, and human rights. And weakening Israel automatically empowers Islam.

Whether they realize it or not, the far right’s “neutral” position becomes functionally pro-Islam.
You can’t oppose both because the battlefield has already been drawn: support Israel, or watch Islam advance.

Quoting me, at a time where we should actually agree, to just paste more anti-Islam propaganda instead

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

D4H has called for the death of Israeli citizens in numerous posts. Going as far as to state that the would would be better off not without the state, but without Israelis in general.

You must be reading a different thread than everyone else is

That's false. I said we shouldn't be protecting them with our anti-missile defense technology and instead should be protecting our soldiers in military bases in the Gulf. They need to be PUNISHED for starting wars they can't defend themselves in.

The reason we are in this mess is because the Israelis are emboldened by our defense of their homeland. So they are willing to brazenly start a war with Iran that if we didn't help them would lead to the destruction. So yeah I want them to learn a lesson. Don't start wars unless you're willing to live with the consequences that come from them.

I never advocated for some genocide as you're trying to imply. If the Israelis don't start wars I would wish their nation the same welfare as Iran. But if they start wars because they think Americans are gonna die protecting them well then they deserve to be punished so they can learn a lesson.

 

[Rickyvol77]

It is unrealistic to expect Israel to stabilize the region. The region is inherently unstable with or without Israel. The stability of Israel as a government is where the US finds value. I may be wrong, but I also think the US finds stability with Dubai, UAE, and Saudi Arabia.

The main issue in the conflict is the same as 97 out of 100 armed conflicts and wars through the world....it's not Israel, no matter how problematic they can be

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Yea this post


Another article pretending not to know and understand that Zionists are in fact the lead terrorists in the world and have sponsored everything from slavery, sex trafficking, the Holocaust, Islam, and Communism.

We need some more mentally challenged Boomers telling us all who the enemy of the state is while also telling us the importance of vaccinating the Goyim, following the food pyramid and making sure we replace as many natural ingredients with preservatives and artificial flavors as possible.

Who said it? D4H?

 

[McDad]

I guess I missed the part where Israel is considered a stable presence at any point in the past 4 or 5 decades.

Much like PJ, you misread that. I said Israel is the stable nation. Not that Israel is stabilizing to the region. From the US government's perspective, we need a stable nation to give us a undue influence in the unstable region.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I've never called for any deletion of any post. My point is pj never calls out antisemitic post. You can literally go back 2-3 pages and there all over. 3-4 posters don't hide their hate for Jews.

What does not hiding their hate for Jews look like?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Who said it? D4H?

adam.vol

 

[ButchPlz]

I have problems with someone saying the Jews were behind the Holocaust

You've got one guy apparently doing that, yet supposedly this forum is overrun with antisemites and Jew-haters?

 

[Rickyvol77]

You've got one guy apparently doing that, yet supposedly this forum is overrun with antisemites and Jew-haters?

Don't put words in my mouth

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Much like PJ, you misread that. I said Israel is the stable nation. Not that Israel is stabilizing to the region. From the US government's perspective, we need a stable nation to give us a undue influence in the unstable region.

I think saying "stable presence" touches on both the nation and its effect on the region around it.

I don't think it's a misread on us as it might be a mislead on you.

 

[ButchPlz]

Don't put words in my mouth

I'm not putting words into your mouth. I'm generally commenting on the mood of this place.

 

[InVOLuntary]

What does not hiding their hate for Jews look like?

It's not that hard, Dink. Go you for yourself. Literally 2-3 pages back. Some have been quoted recently. Some have called it out.

 

[McDad]

So…..if Israel doesn’t have the big stick of the United States to prevent attacks from happening on a grand scale…..do you support their use of Nukes to defend themselves?

Yes. Without question. Every country has an inherent right to defend themselves.

Because let’s be real. The middle east is a tinder box and if it may go off anyway, but I have no doubts as to the results if Israel is allowed to stand as they wish.

The middle east has been a tinder box forever. Oil and international politics makes the sandbox more important that it really should be.

 

[KB5252]

Google AI says this when asked how advanced the missile defense system is on the USS Gerald Ford: Google Search

The USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) features the most advanced self-defense and sensor suite ever integrated into a U.S. aircraft carrier. Its missile defense capabilities are designed as a layered, automated "shield" capable of neutralizing high-speed cruise missiles and drones.

So once again exactly how was I wrong?

The system is automated, for self defense. The protection doesn't extend to defending Israel in any meaningful way. 7 miles is the Sparrow range, that's the longest of its defense capabilities. Exactly how is it protecting Israel?

It is also rare to have two carrier groups in close proximity, for many very obvious reasons.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

adam.vol

Well it seems it was deleted. You do you, but I wouldn't go around touting what one loons said as anything resembling a barometric reading of anyone here.

Plenty of people say tons of crazy sh*t here on a daily basis.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

It's not that hard, Dink. Go you for yourself. Literally 2-3 pages back. Some have been quoted recently. Some have called it out.

I've perused a bit.

Those posts must have been deleted.

 

[Vol8188]

That's false. I said we shouldn't be protecting them with our anti-missile defense technology and instead should be protecting our soldiers in military bases in the Gulf. They need to be PUNISHED for starting wars they can't defend themselves in.

The reason we are in this mess is because the Israelis are emboldened by our defense of their homeland. So they are willing to brazenly start a war with Iran that if we didn't help them would lead to the destruction. So yeah I want them to learn a lesson. Don't start wars unless you're willing to live with the consequences that come from them.

I never advocated for some genocide as you're trying to imply. If the Israelis don't start wars I would wish their nation the same welfare as Iran. But if they start wars because they think Americans are gonna die protecting them well then they deserve to be punished so they can learn a lesson.

You very openly stated the world would be better without Israelis

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

But our government has chosen to take a vested interest in that part of the world and Israel gives the US a stable (westernized) nation by which to influence the region. That decision ties us to Israel more than anything else.

You sure about that? Or have they been bribed by AIPAC and blackmailed by Epstein?

And why would a government on its own volition prioritize the interests of a foreign nation over their own? How does that make geopolitical sense? Has it ever happened before in history?