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ButchPlz said:
Do you want a list of specific jobs? I don't think the specific jobs are the issue. The problem is when you have what seems like 500 people and a thousand contractors in place to do the job of a dozen people, perhaps it's not the job itself that's the issue, no?

When you have each branch developing its own standards that don't run across entire military lines creating triple and quadruple of certain work on military and contractor side that's a problem, no? Tons of people end up pushing paper and nothing else to comply with regs that some colonel at some time shoveled into place in 1986 and nobody has changed it. There's a reason the military keeps having to buy uniforms for fat "soldiers", you know. The ones continuing the bureaucratic mess are causing more harm to the fighting force than help and are the ones that come out wanting them sweet benefits after they've "served".

In short the military has a bureaucracy problem just like the rest of the federal government.

EDIT: you want to know the ones I respect the most? The dudes driving the trucks in combat zones.
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I don’t think anyone would argue that the military doesn’t have bureaucracy. It’s a massive organization, and like any large institution, there’s inefficiency built in. But reducing it to 500 people doing the job of 12 or implying most are just pushing paper for benefits isn’t the proper way to describe it.

The military isn’t just full of gung-ho trigger-pullers, although I was one of those. It’s logistics, intelligence, medical, cyber, transportation, supply chain, communications, engineering, maintenance, and yes, regulatory compliance. There’s a reason a unit can deploy anywhere in the world at the drop of a hat. It’s because thousands of people built the systems that make that possible.

Very few active duty and veterans would argue that processes couldn’t be streamlined or standards be unified better across branches. But bureaucracy in the military largely exists because of oversight, safety requirements, legal accountability, and the complexity of operating globally.

And as for benefits, they’re not sweet perks. They’re part of the compensation package for people who accept liability, constant relocations, and the possibility of combat. You don’t have to think every dollar is spent wisely to still respect the people who had the balls to raise their hand.

If the argument is about efficiency or fraud, let’s have that discussion. But let’s not pretend the vast majority of service members are leeching off taxpayers.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Nobody knows how much fraud and abuse there is because nobody will actually touch it because of the attitude you are seeing right here in this thread.

Our country won't get seriously fixed because every special interest that exists is out to forcefully protect their piece of the pie.
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I have no hope for this Country/World to be a place for people to live comfortably 10 years from now anyways. I don't care what people do. Money is fake. It's a piece of paper that keeps people busy.. until it's no longer useful. If someone can financially secure themselves for the rest of their lives (legally) go for it. Everything has been inflated into oblivion.. Which is the plan of course; because they make the U.S. Debt irrelevant.

The youth have no future. If you don't own assets now you will be in poverty until the day you die. It's not doomsday anymore, it's reality. Companies have been able to take work away from employees at an average of 5% compounding per week with OpenClaw. Once it hits skilled labor, we are in for a fun little chaos event in America.
 
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Boston Vol said:
I don’t think anyone would argue that the military doesn’t have bureaucracy. It’s a massive organization, and like any large institution, there’s inefficiency built in. But reducing it to 500 people doing the job of 12 or implying most are just pushing paper for benefits isn’t an accurate description.

The military isn’t just full of gung-ho trigger-pullers, although I was one of those. It’s logistics, intelligence, medical, cyber, transportation, supply chain,9 communications, engineering, maintenance, and yes, regulatory compliance. There’s a reason a unit can deploy anywhere in the world at the drop of a hat. It’s because thousands of people built the systems that make that possible.

Very few active duty and veterans would argue that processes couldn’t be streamlined or standards be unified better across branches. But bureaucracy in the military largely exists because of oversight, safety requirements, legal accountability, and the complexity of operating globally.

And as for benefits, they’re not sweet perks. They’re part of the compensation package for people who accept liability, relocations, and the possibility of combat. You don’t have to think every dollar is perfectly spent to still respect the people who had the balls to raise their hand.

If the argument is about efficiency, or the lack there of, let’s have that discussion. But let’s not pretend the vast majority of service members are leeching off taxpayers.
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I know what all goes into it. I worked in it. That's why I am the way I am. At least half the time I was on DoD projects my job was to definitively find the business case for some dumbass weapons project that one service wanted that another service has a functional version of to serve their egos. The tenth time I sat in a room with 250 uniformed people and 300 more contractors to run through slideware shaped how I felt. Eventually the realization that things are FUBAR sets in.

Watching pilots spend more time on paperwork than combat skills is infuriating.

Seeing 12 uniformed contracting officers repeating research for a bucket of bolts is infuriating.

Seeing some of those med log people that have no business running a complex supply chain make dozens of mistakes in a row that kill combat soldiers is infuriating.

One of my best friends got shot up in Iraq and can't get what he needs while some fat guy that never deployed and pushed paper all over the place gets full disability. Infuriating. Also, largely because of decisions made by other veterans in positions they never should be in.

I can go on and on.

There are tens of thousands of people that sign on the dotted line to take advantage of the system, or eventually learn they can and do. All I'm saying is that I, as a taxpayer, should be able to criticize that all I want. Service in all its various forms doesn't make you a hero.

I told you all I'm not making this stuff up. I have an opinion for a reason.
 
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Boston Vol said:
I don’t think anyone would argue that the military doesn’t have bureaucracy. It’s a massive organization, and like any large institution, there’s inefficiency built in. But reducing it to 500 people doing the job of 12 or implying most are just pushing paper for benefits misses the bigger picture.

The military isn’t just full of gung-ho trigger-pullers, although I was one of those. It’s logistics, intelligence, medical, cyber, transportation, supply chain, communications, engineering, maintenance, and yes, regulatory compliance. There’s a reason a unit can deploy anywhere in the world at the drop of a hat. It’s because thousands of people built the systems that make that possible.

Very few active duty and veterans would argue that processes couldn’t be streamlined or standards be unified better across branches. But bureaucracy in the military largely exists because of oversight, safety requirements, legal accountability, and the complexity of operating globally.

And as for benefits, they’re not sweet perks. They’re part of the compensation package for people who accept liability, constant relocations, and the possibility of combat. You don’t have to think every dollar is perfectly spent to still respect the people who had the balls to raise their hand.

If the argument is about efficiency, or the lack there of, let’s have that discussion. But let’s not pretend the vast majority of service members are leeching off taxpayers.
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Do we have a military thread on Volnation of people sharing stories of serving our country? Don’t want to hijack the discussion.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
1. Iran has been wanting nuclear power since the days of The Shah in order to develop their oil refining capacity. The sanctions and non-investment from the West over the last 40+ years has hampered that development. One reason why it has also been hampered is that if the Iranians are able to develop their domestic nuclear program, not only would they be able to refine it domestically and cut out the ability of foreign corporations to generate that revenue, but they would have the ability to bring oil to market at a lower cost than even the Saudis. As we know (until recently perhaps), the foundation of the USD has been on the back of thee Saudi Arabians and Gulf States. Iran bringing in cheaper oil would destabilize that system

2. A nuclear weapons program, as we can see in the Ukraine-Russia crisis right now, deters a lot of military actions (United States and Israel). I am convinced at this moment that Iran would move in that direction with more resolve and purpose.
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You never allow a regime that has shouted “Death to Israel, Death to America” for 47 years, to have a nuclear weapon. THEY WOULD USE IT! Take their threats seriously. If they’re willing to starve their populace to build a bomb, Don’t be silly enough to think they wouldn’t use it.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The lizard people are going to win out over the jewish cabal and the freemasons, but we have a ways to go!
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Its interesting that you have no actual comeback to the argument I put forth regarding the Epstein coverup and have instead gone the route of trying to make up a joke. Obvious misdirection from an argument you know you have no comeback to. Thanks for admitting defeat.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Do you want a list of specific jobs? I don't think the specific jobs are the issue. The problem is when you have what seems like 500 people and a thousand contractors in place to do the job of a dozen people, perhaps it's not the job itself that's the issue, no?

When you have each branch developing its own standards that don't run across entire military lines creating triple and quadruple of certain work on military and contractor side that's a problem, no? Tons of people end up pushing paper and nothing else to comply with regs that some colonel at some time shoveled into place in 1986 and nobody has changed it. There's a reason the military keeps having to buy uniforms for fat "soldiers", you know. The ones continuing the bureaucratic mess are causing more harm to the fighting force than help and are the ones that come out wanting them sweet benefits after they've "served".

In short the military has a bureaucracy problem just like the rest of the federal government.

EDIT: you want to know the ones I respect the most? The dudes driving the trucks in combat zones.
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Most Americans are so propagandized and hopelessly brainwashed that they’ll solemnly swear on the Bible with one hand and their granny’s apple stackcake recipe with the other that the Taliban spent $0.01 trillion to win the war while the USA spent $2.3 trillion to lose, and this demonstrates proper budgeting and spending by the US federal government. It doesn’t make sense to you, it doesn’t make sense to me, but it makes total sense to them. It’s a cult.

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Vol8188 said:
Numerous parts of the conspiracy are debunked. The “dancing” title alone is false. People showing up after an event to watch it, is not the question at hand.

Lmfao that must be a sad reality you live in.

If you have evidence Epstein was somehow an Israeli asset feel free to share.

Lol baby boomer. That’s cute
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An American citizen reported them to the police because they were acting suspicious. If they were like the rest of us in shock at the events nobody would have noticed. So you are choosing to believe Israeli spies over an American citizen? Okay. And FTR they were spies not art students as their offices were cleared the following day and our government hand delivered them back to the Israelis.

And LOL @ doubting Epstein was an Israeli asset. The fact he had Israeli intelligence bug his home in New York with surveillance equipment was just a coincidence?

www.dropsitenews.com

The Israeli Government Installed and Maintained Security System at Epstein Apartment

Security equipment and alarms were installed by the Israeli government at a notorious Manhattan residence frequented by former PM Ehud Barak.
www.dropsitenews.com www.dropsitenews.com


Only someone who is being entirely disingenuous would try to pretend that Jeffrey Epstein wasn't working for or with the Israeli government.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
Most Americans are so propagandized and hopelessly brainwashed that they’ll solemnly swear on the Bible with one hand and their granny’s apple stackcake recipe with the other that the Taliban spent $0.01 trillion to win the war while the USA spent $2.3 trillion to lose, and this demonstrates proper budgeting and spending by the US federal government. It doesn’t make sense to you, it doesn’t make sense to me, but it makes total sense to them. It’s a cult.

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I don't know anyone that thinks the Afghan war was worth it.
 
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ButchPlz said:
If I was extreme I'd be saying that I want to kill everyone in the government and that doesn't agree with me.

I'm not extreme. I have the same irritation for all of bloat and garbage I have to pay for in the government. Military included. Is that extreme?
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That’s not the only type of extreme to exist. But you have said our government is ran by literal demons

Those aren’t your only views
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Damn dude…. Just piss all over everyone that’s ever served. That had to be deployed and away from their families and their children for extended periods of time…. That were wounded, maimed or killed…. That held support roles to keep the military functioning…. That washed planes and cleaned flight suit catheters as you say.

Your opinion is your right, but in this case it’s incredibly F’ed up.
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2 of the best men I have ever met in my 48years of life each served 26years. My favorite person ever, which taught me more than anyone else ever has, was a retired Master Sergeant. Miss him every day and use the skills, respect, and work ethic he taught me on a daily basis as well. The 55yo neighbor with whom I split a rental garage for our bikes is a 22year Army vet. Extremely high quality individual. A man with class.

Serving in the military doesn't automatically make you a good person, but it does make you a willing Patriot thats at least competent at something or they would be kicked out. They are worthy of my respect and kindness unless they give me a good reason to think otherwise. I truly am thankful for their service. I know the sacrifices made like moving all over the country/world usually every 4 years or so and having to start over in school, friendships, community and church. As someone who has spent a great deal of time on base and around military folks, respect and admiration is my default position. Only the individual can change that. Not someone who never served pissing on people they dont even know.
 
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allstar34 said:
I have no hope for this Country/World to be a place for people to live comfortably 10 years from now anyways. I don't care what people do. Money is fake. It's a piece of paper that keeps people busy.. until it's no longer useful. If someone can financially secure themselves for the rest of their lives (legally) go for it. Everything has been inflated into oblivion.. Which is the plan of course; because they make the U.S. Debt irrelevant.

The youth have no future. If you don't own assets now you will be in poverty until the day you die. It's not doomsday anymore, it's reality. Companies have been able to take work away from employees at an average of 5% compounding per week with OpenClaw. Once it hits skilled labor, we are in for a fun little chaos event in America.
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Vol8188 said:
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Umm let me know when we have boots on the ground and a regime change. What has changed from our last bombing campaign? Didn't you guys tell me we achieved victory and there would be no need for any ground troops in Iran?

With that said according to the latest polling nearly 80% of Americans were against starting a war with Iran.


What Trump has done is against the will of the American people.
 
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Tnphil said:
United States Navy....Retired. Aviation, served on the USS Lexington (CV 16)..USS John F. Kennedy (CV 67)...USS Saratoga (CV 60).

You sound like a snowflake? I look forward to more of your hurt feeling comments.
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My dad was retired Navy. He served on the Lexington at some point. Either before I was born or when I was a baby. I was born in Pensacola. His last duty station before he was medically retired was Mayport. The Saratoga and the Forrestal were both stationed there at the time. He was on a DDG, the USS Tattnall, before they transferred him to shore duty. Earlier in his service, he fell down a large ladder while underway. Landed on his feet, but landing on that steel decking tore up his knees. Had several operations, but it reached a point he just couldn't keep climbing up and down the ladders on ship, so they forced him to retire. He loved the Navy. I think he would have served forever if he could have. Cried the day of his retirement.

Dad originally enlisted in the Navy because he was about to be drafted. Vietnam era. He didn't think he could handle shooting people, so he chose the Navy before the government decided for him. People forget, a lot of older veterans didn't have a choice to serve, they were drafted into it.
 
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