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Past quotes from the hypocrite Donald J. Trump. His "America First" policy is out the window. How does it feel to be betrayed, MAGA sheep?

“We must abandon the failed policy of nation-building and regime change that Hillary Clinton pushed in Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria,” Trump said at the 2016 Republican National Convention.

He said toppling regimes without sufficient plans creates “power vacuums that are filled simply by terrorists.”

He said he would “break the cycle of regime change” and “abandon the policy of reckless regime change favored by my opponent.”

As recently as 2019, Trump doubled down.

“Our policy of never-ending war, regime change, and nation-building is being replaced by the clear-eyed pursuit of American interests,” Trump said. “It is the job of our military to protect our security, not to be the policeman of the world.”

“GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE,” he posted on social media that same year.

In a speech in December, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth promised his department would “not be distracted by democracy-building interventionism, undefined wars, regime change …”

And after Trump struck Iran’s nuclear facilities in June, Hegseth specifically assured it wasn’t about regime change.

“This mission was not and has not been about regime change,” Hegseth said.

“You know, they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, ‘Oh, gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy,’” Trump said less than a week before Election Day.

Trump adviser Stephen Miller added on X: “Liz Cheney is Kamala’s top advisor. Liz wants to invade the whole Middle East. Kamala = WWIII. Trump = Peace.”

“A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for Dick Cheney and a vote for war, war and more war,” Trump’s now-director of national intelligence Tulsi Gabbard said. “A vote for Donald Trump is a vote to end wars, not start them.”

“Remember what I previously said–Obama will someday attack Iran in order to show how tough he is,” Trump posted in September 2013.

He added in November of that year that “Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!”

And in 2011: “Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate.”

Those comments certainly sting today. Obama ultimately did secure a deal with Iran (however good one believes that deal was) and never attacked it. Trump has now attacked Iran repeatedly, including after failing to negotiate his own deal recently.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Uhm do you know what the Navy is for? The actual ship doesn't have to be "right in the middle". They have F18s, F35s, AH-1z Vipers & UH-1y Venoms that can do nasty work.
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And the Iranians have anti-aircraft missiles. Your view that our military is some sort of indestructible bulwark is not tethered in reality.
 
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MontyPython said:
Past quotes from the hypocrite Donald J. Trump. His "America First" policy is out the window. How does it feel to be betrayed, MAGA sheep?

“We must abandon the failed policy of nation-building and regime change that Hillary Clinton pushed in Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria,” Trump said at the 2016 Republican National Convention.

He said toppling regimes without sufficient plans creates “power vacuums that are filled simply by terrorists.”

He said he would “break the cycle of regime change” and “abandon the policy of reckless regime change favored by my opponent.”

As recently as 2019, Trump doubled down.

“Our policy of never-ending war, regime change, and nation-building is being replaced by the clear-eyed pursuit of American interests,” Trump said. “It is the job of our military to protect our security, not to be the policeman of the world.”

“GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE,” he posted on social media that same year.

In a speech in December, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth promised his department would “not be distracted by democracy-building interventionism, undefined wars, regime change …”

And after Trump struck Iran’s nuclear facilities in June, Hegseth specifically assured it wasn’t about regime change.

“This mission was not and has not been about regime change,” Hegseth said.

“You know, they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, ‘Oh, gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy,’” Trump said less than a week before Election Day.

Trump adviser Stephen Miller added on X: “Liz Cheney is Kamala’s top advisor. Liz wants to invade the whole Middle East. Kamala = WWIII. Trump = Peace.”

“A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for Dick Cheney and a vote for war, war and more war,” Trump’s now-director of national intelligence Tulsi Gabbard said. “A vote for Donald Trump is a vote to end wars, not start them.”

“Remember what I previously said–Obama will someday attack Iran in order to show how tough he is,” Trump posted in September 2013.

He added in November of that year that “Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!”

And in 2011: “Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate.”

Those comments certainly sting today. Obama ultimately did secure a deal with Iran (however good one believes that deal was) and never attacked it. Trump has now attacked Iran repeatedly, including after failing to negotiate his own deal recently.
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No doubt, he is a hypocrite. If I ran for President, I would NEVER make a promise for peace because there is just too much dynamics in foreign policy to make those kind of guarantees. Our politicians constantly lie to us to get elected.
 
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MontyPython said:
Past quotes from the hypocrite Donald J. Trump...

“We must abandon the failed policy of nation-building and regime change that Hillary Clinton pushed in Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria,” Trump said at the 2016 Republican National Convention.

He said toppling regimes without sufficient plans creates “power vacuums that are filled simply by terrorists.”

He said he would “break the cycle of regime change” and “abandon the policy of reckless regime change favored by my opponent.”

As recently as 2019, Trump doubled down.

“Our policy of never-ending war, regime change, and nation-building is being replaced by the clear-eyed pursuit of American interests,” Trump said. “It is the job of our military to protect our security, not to be the policeman of the world.”

“GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE,” he posted on social media that same year.

In a speech in December, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth promised his department would “not be distracted by democracy-building interventionism, undefined wars, regime change …”

And after Trump struck Iran’s nuclear facilities in June, Hegseth specifically assured it wasn’t about regime change.

“This mission was not and has not been about regime change,” Hegseth said.

“You know, they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, ‘Oh, gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy,’” Trump said less than a week before Election Day.

Trump adviser Stephen Miller added on X: “Liz Cheney is Kamala’s top advisor. Liz wants to invade the whole Middle East. Kamala = WWIII. Trump = Peace.”

“A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for Dick Cheney and a vote for war, war and more war,” Trump’s now-director of national intelligence Tulsi Gabbard said. “A vote for Donald Trump is a vote to end wars, not start them.”

“Remember what I previously said–Obama will someday attack Iran in order to show how tough he is,” Trump posted in September 2013.

He added in November of that year that “Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!”

And in 2011: “Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate.”

Those comments certainly sting today. Obama ultimately did secure a deal with Iran (however good one believes that deal was) and never attacked it. Trump has now attacked Iran repeatedly, including after failing to negotiate his own deal recently.
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Translation 👆
“I don’t care if this is great for the people of Iran and America and the world because it would mean TRUMP 😡 TRUMP 😤 did the right thing and is a hero.
 
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MontyPython said:
Past quotes from the hypocrite Donald J. Trump. His "America First" policy is out the window. How does it feel to be betrayed, MAGA sheep?

“We must abandon the failed policy of nation-building and regime change that Hillary Clinton pushed in Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria,” Trump said at the 2016 Republican National Convention.

He said toppling regimes without sufficient plans creates “power vacuums that are filled simply by terrorists.”

He said he would “break the cycle of regime change” and “abandon the policy of reckless regime change favored by my opponent.”

As recently as 2019, Trump doubled down.

“Our policy of never-ending war, regime change, and nation-building is being replaced by the clear-eyed pursuit of American interests,” Trump said. “It is the job of our military to protect our security, not to be the policeman of the world.”

“GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE,” he posted on social media that same year.

In a speech in December, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth promised his department would “not be distracted by democracy-building interventionism, undefined wars, regime change …”

And after Trump struck Iran’s nuclear facilities in June, Hegseth specifically assured it wasn’t about regime change.

“This mission was not and has not been about regime change,” Hegseth said.

“You know, they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, ‘Oh, gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy,’” Trump said less than a week before Election Day.

Trump adviser Stephen Miller added on X: “Liz Cheney is Kamala’s top advisor. Liz wants to invade the whole Middle East. Kamala = WWIII. Trump = Peace.”

“A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for Dick Cheney and a vote for war, war and more war,” Trump’s now-director of national intelligence Tulsi Gabbard said. “A vote for Donald Trump is a vote to end wars, not start them.”

“Remember what I previously said–Obama will someday attack Iran in order to show how tough he is,” Trump posted in September 2013.

He added in November of that year that “Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!”

And in 2011: “Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate.”

Those comments certainly sting today. Obama ultimately did secure a deal with Iran (however good one believes that deal was) and never attacked it. Trump has now attacked Iran repeatedly, including after failing to negotiate his own deal recently.
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He's wagering a lot that regime change occurs, and does so in a way that benefits us over the long term. One has to assume that we aren't stopping until the current regime is dead. And one also has to assume we think we know how it will play out.
 
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MontyPython said:
Past quotes from the hypocrite Donald J. Trump. His "America First" policy is out the window. How does it feel to be betrayed, MAGA sheep?

“We must abandon the failed policy of nation-building and regime change that Hillary Clinton pushed in Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria,” Trump said at the 2016 Republican National Convention.

He said toppling regimes without sufficient plans creates “power vacuums that are filled simply by terrorists.”

He said he would “break the cycle of regime change” and “abandon the policy of reckless regime change favored by my opponent.”

As recently as 2019, Trump doubled down.

“Our policy of never-ending war, regime change, and nation-building is being replaced by the clear-eyed pursuit of American interests,” Trump said. “It is the job of our military to protect our security, not to be the policeman of the world.”

“GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE,” he posted on social media that same year.

In a speech in December, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth promised his department would “not be distracted by democracy-building interventionism, undefined wars, regime change …”

And after Trump struck Iran’s nuclear facilities in June, Hegseth specifically assured it wasn’t about regime change.

“This mission was not and has not been about regime change,” Hegseth said.

“You know, they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, ‘Oh, gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy,’” Trump said less than a week before Election Day.

Trump adviser Stephen Miller added on X: “Liz Cheney is Kamala’s top advisor. Liz wants to invade the whole Middle East. Kamala = WWIII. Trump = Peace.”

“A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for Dick Cheney and a vote for war, war and more war,” Trump’s now-director of national intelligence Tulsi Gabbard said. “A vote for Donald Trump is a vote to end wars, not start them.”

“Remember what I previously said–Obama will someday attack Iran in order to show how tough he is,” Trump posted in September 2013.

He added in November of that year that “Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!”

And in 2011: “Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate.”

Those comments certainly sting today. Obama ultimately did secure a deal with Iran (however good one believes that deal was) and never attacked it. Trump has now attacked Iran repeatedly, including after failing to negotiate his own deal recently.
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Not seeing your point?

Like I said Trump is now the man behind the big desk, he's getting entail etc.. that he has to react to in the present. You act like something Trump said 15-20 years ago is relevant to right now.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He's wagering a lot that regime change occurs, and does so in a way that benefits us over the long term. One has to assume that we aren't stopping until the current regime is dead. And one also has to assume we think we know how it will play out.
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The $64K question... can regime change be achieved without boots on the ground?
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Not seeing your point?

Like I said Trump is now the man behind the big desk, he's getting entail etc.. that he has to react to in the present. You act like something Trump said 15-20 years ago is relevant to right now.
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You're right on one point and one point only: Donald Trump's words are WORTHLESS.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They democratically elected a socialist. During the red scare, the CIA sponsored a coup. The shah was installed (and he was a tyrant) as our puppet. Always seen as illegitimate and unpopular, the shah suffered loss of power during revolution and that is when religious theocracy took hold of Iran. Before that, they were the most western country in the region.

We gotta learn to stop meddling
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Yea Jimmy Carter was an awful president....99.999999% of us on this board and American knew this first-hand....only one poster thinks otherwise lol
 
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MontyPython said:
And the Iranians have anti-aircraft missiles. Your view that our military is some sort of indestructible bulwark is not tethered in reality.
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Then why are they not using them?

Just like last June both Israel & the US are flying into Iranian airspace unmolested.

That's where the EA18 Growlers are using there counter radar ability and HARM missiles to take out radar sites. Iranian AA missiles are useless without the radar to lock onto a target.

Not to mention all those F16 that flew in over the last week or so from the South Carolina ANG and our units in Japan. They are masters at SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses)
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Not seeing your point?

Like I said Trump is now the man behind the big desk, he's getting entail etc.. that he has to react to in the present. You act like something Trump said 15-20 years ago is relevant to right now.
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It’s okay, give them a break. The mental discomfort they are experiencing to maintain their worldviews is frying their brains.
 
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