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MAD said:
The people of Iran and the people of Israel are on the same side, they have a common interest in the removal of the Islamist regime.
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Okay, go fight for them, and problem solved.

Btw, you are admitting to what we have been saying but if you follow my instructions -- the problems will disappear if you don't include the rest of us.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Okay, go fight for them, and problem solved.

Btw, you are admitting to what we have been saying but if you follow my instructions -- the problems will disappear if you don't include the rest of us.
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Thanks for giving instructions to us from your moms basement, much appreciated and I’ll get right on it.
 
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utvolpj said:
Except they've been at it for many years. Of compare it less to Hilary and more to Ukraine 2014
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Everyone's been at it for years. you are trying to make a distinction, but haven't identified a difference.

Its not like the Islamic Regime suddenly got nasty. they have been oppressive since almost literally day one. that wears on people, and as the generations have gotten more "western", that resistance to the regime has grown.

think of it this way. which would have a bigger impact on these protests happening? Removing Mossad from Iran completely, and all of their influence; or removing the Khomeini's regime? its absolutely the regime which is the heart of this.

Ukraine 2014 where the Russians bought off the Ukrainian president to completely change directions against the will of his people? yall constantly want to just overlook the underlying facts, and focus on ANY way to blame only the US/Israel. its nonsensical. you could at least include the actual facts in your conspiracies to make them believable.
 
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LouderVol said:
Ukraine 2014 where the Russians bought off the Ukrainian president to completely change directions against the will of his people? yall constantly want to just overlook the underlying facts, and focus on ANY way to blame only the US/Israel. its nonsensical. you could at least include the actual facts in your conspiracies to make them believable.
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Let's say you are correct, you know I disagree but regardless, lets say it. Nobody is concerned about the will of the people there anymore than any other place.

ANY way to blame only the US/Israel.
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This is very solvable, get out of the discussion i.e. don't get involved at all in any way.... no funding, no presence, no cia, etc. You don't hear about Afghanistan or Vietnam in the U.S. news... you know what its all been solved by removing the U.S. from the equation. None of this is complex, there is a reason why the U.S. has hundreds of bases and 100s of thousands of troops around the world.

The complexity comes in when someone on side of the world gets involved on the other side of the world.

Get the U.S. out of it, and the problems melt away.
 
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LouderVol said:
Everyone's been at it for years. you are trying to make a distinction, but haven't identified a difference.

Its not like the Islamic Regime suddenly got nasty. they have been oppressive since almost literally day one. that wears on people, and as the generations have gotten more "western", that resistance to the regime has grown.

think of it this way. which would have a bigger impact on these protests happening? Removing Mossad from Iran completely, and all of their influence; or removing the Khomeini's regime? its absolutely the regime which is the heart of this.

Ukraine 2014 where the Russians bought off the Ukrainian president to completely change directions against the will of his people? yall constantly want to just overlook the underlying facts, and focus on ANY way to blame only the US/Israel. its nonsensical. you could at least include the actual facts in your conspiracies to make them believable.
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Not sure I ever made the argument that it was more because of Israel than the Iranian regime. This has been the ultimate goal for Israel and neocons for decades so to believe it is a sudden, spontaneous outbreak is a bit hard to believe.

US involvement in Ukraine was not a conspiracy and is documented. The US and Israel are dirty. I'm not a traitor, antisemite or whatever else this board calls people.
 
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utvolpj said:
Not sure I ever made the argument that it was more because of Israel than the Iranian regime. This has been the ultimate goal for Israel and neocons for decades so to believe it is a sudden, spontaneous outbreak is a bit hard to believe.

US involvement in Ukraine was not a conspiracy and is documented. The US and Israel are dirty. I'm not a traitor, antisemite or whatever else this board calls people.
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Marxist?
Communist?
Islamist?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Let's say you are correct, you know I disagree but regardless, lets say it. Nobody is concerned about the will of the people there anymore than any other place.



This is very solvable, get out of the discussion i.e. don't get involved at all in any way.... no funding, no presence, no cia, etc. You don't hear about Afghanistan or Vietnam in the U.S. news... you know what its all been solved by removing the U.S. from the equation. None of this is complex, there is a reason why the U.S. has hundreds of bases and 100s of thousands of troops around the world.

The complexity comes in when someone on side of the world gets involved on the other side of the world.

Get the U.S. out of it, and the problems melt away.
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I agree with the first, and have been saying the second this entire time. you are the one caught in a false dichotomy, not me.
 
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utvolpj said:
Not sure I ever made the argument that it was more because of Israel than the Iranian regime. This has been the ultimate goal for Israel and neocons for decades so to believe it is a sudden, spontaneous outbreak is a bit hard to believe.

US involvement in Ukraine was not a conspiracy and is documented. The US and Israel are dirty. I'm not a traitor, antisemite or whatever else this board calls people.
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why is it hard to believe that people are pissed off and took things into their own hands. People have died in their hundreds, and that hasn't hurt the cause to date. so clearly there is plenty of grassroots support. I doubt whatever Jew magic they are using to manipulate the Iranian population is stronger than bullets.
to flip your question, why did the Israelis suddenly need to overthrow Khomeini? there is nothing to explain why the Israelis felt now was the time to strike. no new progress on the nukes. hamas, hezbollah and the rest haven't taken anything to a new level. Iran never sent an additional strike at Israel.

US involvement is documented. what is actually documented is NOT what you think is documented. oh no Victoria Nuland was there and talked about people who never came to power to her head Ukrainian state department contact, CONSPIRACY! you know instead of realising she was in charge of the State department, whose very job it is to stay current with foreign nations, including Ukraine. Congrats, you all proved that our government was doing its job.

what is not documented, is any actual US involvement in what you perceive to be a coup. feel free to post it to the Ukraine thread. its been 12 years and the best yall have is a recording which disproves your argument.

way to play the victim without anything to be victimized over. careful you don't hurt yourself flopping for the refs.
 
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utvolpj said:
Not sure I ever made the argument that it was more because of Israel than the Iranian regime. This has been the ultimate goal for Israel and neocons for decades so to believe it is a sudden, spontaneous outbreak is a bit hard to believe.

US involvement in Ukraine was not a conspiracy and is documented. The US and Israel are dirty. I'm not a traitor, antisemite or whatever else this board calls people.
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The economy's really crumbling especially very recently and effects of a long severe drought are making life uncomfortable, or so I've read. If so, that's reason for protests. I'm sure that Israel, the US, and other players have been fanning the fires as much as they can too.
 
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EasternVol said:
The economy's really crumbling especially very recently and effects of a long severe drought are making life uncomfortable, or so I've read. If so, that's reason for protests. I'm sure that Israel, the US, and other players have been fanning the fires as much as they can too.
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I'm skeptical that even with a successful overthrow of the IR the Iranian people will be able to cobble together a functioning democracy.

There are still competing ideas that are far from compatible. The country is not united in some kind of Zoroastrian revival against Islam. I doubt there's even enough secular people in positions of wealth and abundance to prevent another theocracy or something equally unpalatable to consume the state within a decade or two all over again. Without becoming a puppet state, I see the instability of the region being too much to overcome. Maybe the best that could be hoped for is something akin to Turkey?

All that said, I cannot fault the people protesting one bit, not even to the point of murdering officers of the IR
 
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