Iran

[EasternVol]

I'm getting into pure speculation and conjecture here as I don't know how much of their GDP was comprised in oil.

If they lost access to the Suez, manufacturing and industry costs go up. Probably devastating, but not necessarily catastrophic. If they lost their oil access, would the cost of shipping matter?

Weren't a few of the 6 armies during the 47/48 Israeli war previously armored by Britain? The Israelis managed to hold them off before re-arming and overwhelming the Arab states with modern technology. I doubt (could be wrong) Iran had anything that could have held up to Britain. I think they were desperate enough they would have tried to go about it with a show of force if they'd had to go about it alone.

I understand Iran was a significant oil source for them but losing access wouldn't have been a catastrophe since they could import from KSA, Iraq, Indonesia and the US.
I think they were (and Jordan used British officers who pretty much told the troops to stand down) but I don't know how modern the arms were, probably fairly current WWII surplus.
Invading Iran would have taken a lot of manpower and money and I don't know that it would be the UK's preferred plan of action.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

It’s not a lie. Both China and Russia have massive ambitions beyond their own borders. Especially so with Russia. Preventing a nuclear Iran is important to our long term safety because it takes another ally off the board for China and Russia

Then you have the trade aspect of it. We need open shipping lanes and trade relationships with the world to ensure better quality of life. Allowing the government of Iran to slow down global trade in Yemen for example has real consequences here even if it happens on the other side of the world

Who cares about their ambitions? They can't do anything to us as long as we're the most powerful military in the world. If we stopped our meddling globally why do you think Iran would try to interfere with international trade? Doesn't our meddling and support for Israel lead to more international problems than if we acted like every other first world western country and stopped militarily interfering around the globe.

The idea we need to interfere around the world or else we won't be safe is a lie. Nobody is invading Germany and they haven't been a global nuisance since 1945.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

with countries whose goals are to do us harm.

Why would anyone harm us if we stopped being a nuisance globally?

I don't see Canada being attacked on the international stage and they don't go around the world interfering in everybody else's business. Maybe we bring about the death to America chants through our actions rather than the rest of the world just hating us for no reason.

 

[Vol8188]

Who cares about their ambitions? They can't do anything to us as long as we're the most powerful military in the world. If we stopped our meddling globally why do you think Iran would try to interfere with international trade? Doesn't our meddling and support for Israel lead to more international problems than if we acted like every other first world western country and stopped militarily interfering around the globe.

The idea we need to interfere around the world or else we won't be safe is a lie. Nobody is invading Germany and they haven't been a global nuisance since 1945.

You falsely presume everyone outside of the US lacks agency and everything done is in someway a reaction.

For example there’s numerous countries that have nothing to do with Israel, that have had vessels attacked by the Houthis. Panama, Barbados, Bahamas, Liberia, etc. No one believes they’re “meddling”.

Nobody is invading most countries, so your analogy of German isn’t a very good one.

If we allow Russia, Iran, and China to continue gaining power, they’ll make a move against us. Even if that move initially is only in terms of trade like shutting down access to key Taiwan and to Ukrainian minerals.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

@Dobbs 4 Heisman
Because the Islamic Revolution caused their refugee emigration to explode exponentially with estimates being 2-3M fleeing after the regime assumed power. Emigration continued at around 150K per year into the 90's. Those kind of emigration numbers are absolutely unprecedented for Iran. The overwhelming majority of refugees report that the the government is a brutally oppressive regime. Their government has since cracked down on visas. Good luck taking your entire family on vacation abroad if you're Iranian.

Because even protesting a rigged election gets them beaten, tortured, and killed. 2009 Iranian presidential election protests - Wikipedia. Before the Islamic Revolution, they didn't deal with an authoritarian police state like the IRGC has had them under.

Once again what does this have to do with us? So Iranians don't like the regime. Guess what some Americans don't like Trump. It's called majority rules. If the liberals have a problem with Trump they can leave. Same thing with Iran.

Stop thinking we need to save people from themselves. Let Iran live with the consequences of their decisions. Just like Americans have to live with electing Trump.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Carlson is and has been bought and paid for by foreign interests for a long time now. He’s a Bernie Bro who idiots on the right like because he was on Fox and likes Trump

More like Tucker Carlson is a true conservative whose America First and doesn't want a foreign nation controlling our foreign policy. It's crazy how caring about America First and not Israel gets you painted as a foreign agent rather than vice-versa.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

A portion of the population for sure. But it's difficult when the government has shock troops and a complete political and judicial system in place to crush any forms of dissent.

The government in Iran is much less popular than you believe IMO. They just have a chokehold on the country. But they have some support for sure.

If you can topple a US backed government you can definitely topple whoever is backing this Iranian regime. The regime obviously has enough support to not only stay in power but avoid an outright insurgency.

 

[Vol8188]

More like Tucker Carlson is a true conservative whose America First and doesn't want a foreign nation controlling our foreign policy. It's crazy how caring about America First and not Israel gets you painted as a foreign agent rather than vice-versa.

Lmfao. Okay buddy. The man who does fluff pieces for Russia and Qatar, he’s totally just for Americans.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

For example there’s numerous countries that have nothing to do with Israel, that have had vessels attacked by the Houthis. Panama, Barbados, Bahamas, Liberia, etc. No one believes they’re “meddling”.

Thats called acting out cause of our policies. The Houthis don't have the sophistication to run a targeted campaign against us. So they're only way of fighting back is to cause mayhem. Similar to how the Palestinians do suicide attacks. I'm sure they would love to have precision guided missiles like Israel but since they don't they settle for crude ways of fighting back like suicide bombings.

Take us out of the picture and the Houthis probably don't act out like they're doing right now.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lmfao. Okay buddy. The man who does fluff pieces for Russia and Qatar, he’s totally just for Americans.

But the guys taking money from AIPAC and sending billions in foreign aid to Israel are?

Last I checked we're not sending billions in tax payer money to Russia and Qatar every year. The fact Tucker calls out that corruption when nobody else in the right is willing to makes him America First.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Once again what does this have to do with us? So Iranians don't like the regime. Guess what some Americans don't like Trump. It's called majority rules. If the liberals have a problem with Trump they can leave. Same thing with Iran.

Stop thinking we need to save people from themselves. Let Iran live with the consequences of their decisions. Just like Americans have to live with electing Trump.

Did you just try to compare the Orange Man to the current Iranian regime? You sum bish!!!

 

[MemphisVol77]

Once again what does this have to do with us? So Iranians don't like the regime. Guess what some Americans don't like Trump. It's called majority rules. If the liberals have a problem with Trump they can leave. Same thing with Iran.

Stop thinking we need to save people from themselves. Let Iran live with the consequences of their decisions. Just like Americans have to live with electing Trump.

Hmmmm, let me think for a minute...... Maybe in the reply you're responding to, I quoted you and simply answered the question you asked.

Why is it so hard for yall to accept that these people possibly prefer this form of religious law despite how barbaric it is to us? To me its not our business to tell other people how to live. Let Iranians depose the Islamic Regime if its a problem.

My reply was a straight forward response to your question.

You're arguing with yourself again.

 

[Redleg68]

Why would anyone harm us if we stopped being a nuisance globally?

I don't see Canada being attacked on the international stage and they don't go around the world interfering in everybody else's business. Maybe we bring about the death to America chants through our actions rather than the rest of the world just hating us for no reason.

Exactly what Chamberlain and Roosevelt thought. If you have more than others someone will always want it. Then there is that religion thing that started back in the 8th century.

 

[Smokey123]

 

[Vol8188]

Trump needs to ignore Vance and end the Houthis

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Did you just try to compare the Orange Man to the current Iranian regime? You sum bish!!!

Last I checked our President has had more domestic assassination attempts on his life than the Iranian President or Ayatollah. A lot of liberal hate Trump. I'm not comparing the two leaders. I'm comparing how much they are hated.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Hmmmm, let me think for a minute...... Maybe in the reply you're responding to, I quoted you and simply answered the question you asked.

My reply was a straight forward response to your question.

You're arguing with yourself again.

You do know Iran has a population of 90 million (see Tucker Carlson). So some Iranians don't like the government. Obviously it isn't enough to totally destabilize the government. So who cares about the anti-Islamic regime Iranians. Just like who cares about the liberals angry at Trump. Enough Americans still support Trump for his Presidency to be legitimate and enough Iranians support the Ayatollah for the government to be legitimate.

You guys keep trying to make the situation in Iran something unique to where we gotta be involved. My point is it ain't our problem no matter how much yall want it to be.

 

[MemphisVol77]

@Dobbs 4 Heisman

You do know Iran has a population of 90 million (see Tucker Carlson). So some Iranians don't like the government. Obviously it isn't enough to totally destabilize the government. So who cares about the anti-Islamic regime Iranians. Just like who cares about the liberals angry at Trump. Enough Americans still support Trump for his Presidency to be legitimate and enough Iranians support the Ayatollah for the government to be legitimate.

You guys keep trying to make the situation in Iran something unique to where we gotta be involved. My point is it ain't our problem no matter how much yall want it to be.

You're arguing with yourself again

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

@Dobbs 4 Heisman

You're arguing with yourself again

Nope. I'm arguing against what yall are really arguing for not what you claim. None of this is about the condition of the people of Iran. Its about geopolitics and regime change. Don't expect me to get into the game of attacking the Iranian government so war hawks can have the pretext to get us involved in more wars. We've already seen this playbook in the demonization of Saddam Hussien to get into the Iraq War.

 

[MemphisVol77]

@Dobbs 4 Heisman

Nope. I'm arguing against what yall are really arguing for not what you claim. None of this is about the condition of the people of Iran. Its about geopolitics and regime change. Don't expect me to get into the game of attacking the Iranian government so war hawks can have the pretext to get us involved in more wars. We've already seen this playbook in the demonization of Saddam Hussien to get into the Iraq War.

Lol, you're assigning positions to me I haven't taken.

All I've done is point out some of your stupidity and contradictory logic. Like when you claimed it was mainstream history that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor and linked to a book review to validate your claim (post #6,645 ITT) and I pointed that the author of the book review you linked to disagrees (post# 6,658 ITT).

You're amusing Dobbs. Keep arguing with yourself.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

^^^ this says we have lost 3qty F18 fighters attacking/defending against the Houthi ???

Havent seen that anywhere in the media? What of those pilots ? I assume none were killed OR captured because if US Navy pilots were killed or captured then we would unleash Hell on them and it would be international news right?

Anybody know more about this? TELL ME they arent counting the 2 F18s that were lost by falling off the carriers and 1 that had to eject on takeoff due to engine failure or something? LMAO. Is that what they are counting as losses here? Problems at the carrier decks resulting in lost aircraft??

 

[Smokey123]

 

[Orange_Crush]

Interesting listen:

 

[Vol423]

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[Vol423]

What they need is an Ayatollah of Rock 'n' Rolla.