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[Vol737]

even the north isn't doing great compared to the rest of the world.

Mauritius has the highest in the Africa, and it is off the coast of Madascgar in the Indian Ocean. and they have a .806 score.

mainland Africa you have Algeria, .763, and Egypt, .754.

They all fall behind such human development titans as: Belarus, .824, Costa Rica, .833, Kazakhstan, .837, Malaysia, .819, Russia, .832.

Biggest thing wrt Africa is natural resources which, like everywhere else, has been and will be fought over in the future. Big reason why China is heavy into Africa.

 

[Vol737]

Where in the Declaration is Christianity mentioned? How would they have been shortsighted?

I can’t find it. Even Jefferson, while not atheist, rejected a lot of traditional Christian doctrine (virgin birth, resurrection, etc.). I think between the constitution and the DoI, people tend to think freedom of religion being specifically in relation to Christianity, being the dominant religion at the time, where the intent was likely freedom “from” religion as well.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Iran Confirms Fordow Nuclear Site ‘Seriously and Heavily Damaged’

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi said on Tuesday that the uranium enrichment facility at Fordow was “seriously and heavily damaged."

www.breitbart.com

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi said on Tuesday that the uranium enrichment facility at Fordow was “seriously and heavily damaged” by U.S. bombers on June 21. He said Iranian officials are still assessing the full extent of the damage.


“No one exactly knows what has transpired in Fordow. That being said, what we know so far is that the facilities have been seriously and heavily damaged,” Araqchi said during an interview with CBS News on Tuesday.

“The Atomic Energy Organization [AEOI] of the Islamic Republic of Iran is currently undertaking evaluation and assessment, the report of which will be submitted to the government,” he said. He was notably evasive when asked if AEOI inspectors have actually been able to penetrate the rubble of Fordow to conduct an examination."

 

[just bob]

You’re referring to the Middle East, which is why I asked about SouthEast Asia. It was rhetorical, don’t worry about it.

I’m not sure how you could come to that conclusion, but I have no idea how you come to most of your conclusions.

It's all the middle east in that area. It's being to kind to call it southwest Asia. The powers that be need to rename Asia the continent into two areas, actually three.

I refer to ALL Islamic countries. The vast majority are hot garbage and you know that. I see you skipped the Iran part.

 

[Smokey123]

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[85SugarVol]

It's all the middle east in that area. It's being to kind to call it southwest Asia. The powers that be need to rename Asia the continent into two areas, actually three.

I refer to ALL Islamic countries. The vast majority are hot garbage and you know that. I see you skipped the Iran part.

I didn’t call it southwest Asia. I was referring to SouthEast Asia, which is what I said.

Skipped the Iran part? Wut?

You -

You're really on team post Islamic Iranian Revolution, eh? lmao

Me -

I’m not sure how you could come to that conclusion, but I have no idea how you come to most of your conclusions.

 

[just bob]

How many Islamic countries are in your "SouthEast" (Ridiculous spelling) region?

 

[OHvol40]

Do you know anything about the “Islamic World” in SE Asia? I’m guessing “no”…

Ask him what he thinks about the Rohingya, and what he thinks about the Buddhists also living there…

 

[just bob]

Ask him what he thinks about the Rohingya, and what he thinks about the Buddhists also living there…

Don't be scared.

 

[apevol]

Non sequitur. We're discussing ways of changing a potentially problematic government policy without having to attack them militarily. How South Africa is today is irrelevant to the point of how a problematic government policy was changed in South Africa without having to attack them militarily.

widespread speculation was SA already had nukes, developed in tandem with Israel

 

[OHvol40]

Don't be scared.

So, now you’ve had time to look it up, what are your thoughts?

 

[just bob]

So, now you’ve had time to look it up, what are your thoughts?

Don't be scared. I'm harmless.

 

[OHvol40]

Don't be scared. I'm harmless.

Ok

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lol. You only put your hand on it when going through the process of administering those laws.

And when Muslim get sweared in they place their hand on the Quran. Does that make the Quran the law of the land in America?

Swearing on the Bible is to keep you from lying. It's not being used as the source of our laws.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

B.S.

Jordan actively participated in Israel's defense during 2024. I'm pretty certain Jordan even put their own pilots in the air to shoot down drones and missiles.
I don't think Saudi Arabia put jets in the air, but there were reports of their air defense systems intercepting Iranian missiles and drones in 2024.

I wouldn't describe Jordan as a fundamentalist state, but Saudi Arabia certainly is.

At minimum, they allow(ed) use of their air space.

Those are governments usually run by monarchs in bed with American money interests. I was referring to the rank and file Muslims of those countries not their corrupt political leadership. In terms of the political leadership you are right that they're almost all on the side of America and Israel. But that's more a sign of their corruption than that being the will of the people of Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

 

[EasternVol]

even the north isn't doing great compared to the rest of the world.

Mauritius has the highest in the Africa, and it is off the coast of Madascgar in the Indian Ocean. and they have a .806 score.

mainland Africa you have Algeria, .763, and Egypt, .754.

They all fall behind such human development titans as: Belarus, .824, Costa Rica, .833, Kazakhstan, .837, Malaysia, .819, Russia, .832.

That's not the point. It's like saying Tennessee is on par with the rest of the states.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And SA is such a wonderful country now. It is almost safe to walk the streets of Sandton at high noon. But don't be alone when you do it. ALl that happened was a racist white regime was replaced with a racist black one

What does that have to do with the conversation? He gave me a hypothetical of how I would react to a country that still enslaved black people. I'm guessing he wanted me to advocate for military intervention. I instead cited the example of South Africa who just as recently as 1990 had an apartheid government that actively discriminated against the majority black population. The world was able to get the apartheid regime to end through international pressure and economic sanctions proving that military intervention isn't necessary to bring about change in a country misbehaving on the world stage. South Africa's present condition has nothing to do with the discussion being had. It's nothing more than a non sequitur meant to distract from the point being made.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

widespread speculation was SA already had nukes, developed in tandem with Israel

Interesting point but irrelevant to the discussion at hand which was about how you could get a racist government to comply with international law without military intervention. The world was able to get rid of the apartheid government through international pressure anymore economic sanctions.

 

[volfanhill]

What does that have to do with the conversation? He gave me a hypothetical of how I would react to a country that still enslaved black people. I'm guessing he wanted me to advocate for military intervention. I instead cited the example of South Africa who just as recently as 1990 had an apartheid government that actively discriminated against the majority black population. The world was able to get the apartheid regime to end through international pressure and economic sanctions proving that military intervention isn't necessary to bring about change in a country misbehaving on the world stage. South Africa's present condition has nothing to do with the discussion being had. It's nothing more than a non sequitur meant to distract from the point being made.

100% wrong . I wanted you to see that religious DOGMA doesn't excuse crappy beliefs. And the world should absolutely shout it down. Islam doesn't get a pass. You will get 1% respect from me when you admit you we're a liar about Duke. Until then you are a clown

 

[EasternVol]

Those are governments usually run by monarchs in bed with American money interests. I was referring to the rank and file Muslims of those countries not their corrupt political leadership. In terms of the political leadership you are right that they're almost all on the side of America and Israel. But that's more a sign of their corruption than that being the will of the people of Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

How those families were selected to run those places is interesting.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

100% wrong . I wanted you to see that religious DOGMA doesn't excuse crappy beliefs. And the world should absolutely shout it down. Islam doesn't get a pass. You will get 1% respect from me when you admit you we're a liar about Duke. Until then you are a clown

When have I said I support anything Iran does? All I've advocated is it's not our business as Americans what they do. And if the people of Iran got a problem with the religious fanatics they put in power then let them deal with it.

Just because I don't buy into the Zionist propaganda that Iran is our problem doesn't mean I support them or want anything to do with them. If the Iranian regime collapsed tomorrow I would be happy cause I don't like any theocratic governments. But I will never demonize them so that the drum beat for war can start. That's been my only point in this thread.

 

[volfanhill]

When have I said I support anything Iran does? All I've advocated is it's not our business as Americans what they do. And if the people of Iran got a problem with the religious fanatics they put in power then let them deal with it.

Just because I don't buy into the Zionist propaganda that Iran is our problem doesn't mean I support them or want anything to do with them. If the Iranian regime collapsed tomorrow I would be happy cause I don't like any theocratic governments. But I will never demonize them so that the drum beat for war can start. That's been my only point in this thread.

So you are incapable of calling unacceptable behavior out? lol. What an A-hole you are

 

[rekinhavoc]

What's next for Iran's terror army, the IRGC, after devastating military setbacks?

Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps faces uncertainty after military setbacks, with experts explaining how the once-powerful force may shift from regional terror to domestic control.

www.foxnews.com

"Looking ahead, Iran may shift focus inward, relying more on domestic repression than on external terror. "They can’t get weapons into Gaza. They’ve lost access to Lebanon. They may still attempt terrorism, but they’ve failed repeatedly — especially against Israeli targets," Ostovar said. "In contrast, repressing their own people is something they can do easily."

He warns that Iran could become "more insular, more autocratic — more like North Korea than what it is today." While regime collapse is always a possibility, Ostovar believes autocracies are often resilient. "Look at Venezuela or Cuba — they’ve run their countries into the ground but still hold on to power."

 

[MemphisVol77]

How those families were selected to run those places is interesting.

I'm familiar with the Brit's backing the Husseins against the Ottomans. I'm not familiar with external opposition/support the Sauds faced when they consolidated power.

I brought those examples up to him because

So what's the difference between Islamic Regime in Iran and the Iranian people?

The Islamic Regime in Iran is simply following the edict of Shia Islam that the majority of Iranian citizens follow as well. The Iranian Revolution didn't install this leadership if they didn't adhere to a version of Islam the Iranian people endorsed. Remember the Ayatollah didn't take over Iran by force because he had an army. He was preaching from outside the country and was installed by the Iranian people after they toppled the western backed dictatorship of the Shah themselves in a popular revolution.

The Iranian Revolution is actually an incredible story of a people picking their leadership in the most pure form possible. The Ayatollah literally had zero military power and was put in power by the people because they endorsed his version of Islam.

So please tell me how the Islamic Regime in Iran is different from the Islam the Iranian people practice?

It takes a D4H level of special to simp for the Ayatollah. After the Islamic revolution an estimated 2 million people fled Iran, and that continued at about 150K yearly until the early 90's.

His answer to me bringing up Saudi Arabia & Jordan is basically (paraphrasing), "those governments are corrupt and don't represent the will of the people".........
Funny how the Ayatollah had no problem supporting the West post 9/11 when Iran allowed us to use their air-space and stage from their land when we went into Afghanistan. I guess it was the will of the Iranian people then?

His entire theme is completely retarded and doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

 

[apevol]

Interesting point but irrelevant to the discussion at hand which was about how you could get a racist government to comply with international law without military intervention. The world was able to get rid of the apartheid government through international pressure anymore economic sanctions.

its relevant because military force is off the table when there are nukes, and our species would rather pick force over ingenuity.

its the reason despots want nukes.

I'm not coming down on the side that we should use military force, but I also don't have much hope in the global community having the attention span to force change in a non violent way against a regime thats brutalizing its own people vs a horrible situation where one group brutalizes another like in SA