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Orange_Crush said:
They've pointed out that THIS REGIME attacked Israel, attacked US assets, continually promises to destroy the USA, has sponsored terrorism, and refused open/full nuclear inspection.
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So this is actually untrue. The United and Israel attacked Iran first. You say sponsor terrorism, others would say they're sponsoring popular freedom movements. But let's say your characterization is true. Well the difference between Iran and every other Muslim majority country is it's an actual Theocracy. It's basically like the Islamic version of the Vatican. All other Muslim countries are either monarchies, democracies, or dictatorships. You might think Iran is a dictatorship but it isn't. The Ayatollahs had zero military power. The Iranian people overthrew the previous regime and installed a religious theocratic government.

So yeah the Iranian regime is very different from all other Islamic countries because it's the only one run by religious clerics. So if you replace these clerics with some other clerics, NOTHING CHANGES. Because they're following Shia Islam either way.

The only way to change Iran would be if it were no longer a religious theocracy. As long as Iran is run by their version of Islam you'll get the same result because Shia Islam is Shia Islam no matter how you slice it.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So what's the difference between Islamic Regime in Iran and the Iranian people?

The Islamic Regime in Iran is simply following the edict of Shia Islam that the majority of Iranian citizens follow as well. The Iranian Revolution didn't install this leadership if they didn't adhere to a version of Islam the Iranian people endorsed. Remember the Ayatollah didn't take over Iran by force because he had an army. He was preaching from outside the country and was installed by the Iranian people after they toppled the western backed dictatorship of the Shah themselves in a popular revolution.

The Iranian Revolution is actually an incredible story of a people picking their leadership in the most pure form possible. The Ayatollah literally had zero military power and was put in power by the people because they endorsed his version of Islam.

So please tell me how the Islamic Regime in Iran is different from the Islam the Iranian people practice?
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You should be studied.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If you're gonna use my rational then an apples to apples comparison would be appropriate. Not an apples to orangutan comparison. Japan after the unilateral surrender is nothing like Iran after the ceasefire. Learn how to make sensible comparisons if you want to apply that sort of logic.
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Not sure what you are not understanding about your own post.

No regime change = victory. You FAILED to qualify that in any other way and have since insisted that no regime change included and meant apparently far more than that.

You could just admit it was the silly oversimplification that it was and explain what you really meant. Again, my Japan analogy was used to point out the absurdity of your post. I know better than to say something as stupid as no regime change equals victory.
 
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MAD said:
This is the price we all pay for allowing the regime in Iran to survive.
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What are you talking about? We won. Or at least that's what everyone in this thread has been saying. Apparently regime change was never our goal. We let the Ayatollah live so he could keep taunting us.
 
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just bob said:
You should be studied.
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You may not like it but the Iranian Revolution is looked at as an incredible story around the Islamic world. A nation removing a dictator and putting in his place a religious cleric who would rule according to their faith. There really is no other modern example of such a revolution.

As Americans we've been taught to demonize it because it goes against our leadership's hegemonic goals around the world. But on a purely objective uninterested point of view it's pretty incredible that man with zero military power got placed as the leader of a country by a popular revolution from the people.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Not sure what you are not understanding about your own post.

No regime change = victory. You FAILED to qualify that in any other way and have since insisted that no regime change included and meant apparently far more than that.

You could just admit it was the silly oversimplification that it was and explain what you really meant. Again, my Japan analogy was used to point out the absurdity of your post. I know better than to say something as stupid as no regime change equals victory.
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Or you could admit Japan's surrender was a regime change in all but name as we became the authority in that country. Japan's emperor might still have had the throne but it was in name only. Japan became a puppet state for America. You can't compare that to Iran where we have zero influence let alone a complete puppet regime.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You may not like it but the Iranian Revolution is looked at as an incredible story around the Islamic world. A nation removing a dictator and putting in his place a religious cleric who would rule according to their faith. There really is no other modern example of such a revolution.

As Americans we've been taught to demonize it because it goes against our leadership's hegemonic goals around the world. But on a purely objective uninterested point of view it's pretty incredible that man with zero military power got placed as the leader of a country by a popular revolution from the people.
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Most of the Middle East is Sunni while Iran is Shia. Sunni don't like Shia. You are full of it. This is why most of the Middle East is antagonistic against Iran. Sure, there are Shia people in Iraq or other groups in Syria that are probably pro-Iranian but most of the Middle East was not a fan.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You may not like it but the Iranian Revolution is looked at as an incredible story around the Islamic world. A nation removing a dictator and putting in his place a religious cleric who would rule according to their faith. There really is no other modern example of such a revolution.

As Americans we've been taught to demonize it because it goes against our leadership's hegemonic goals around the world. But on a purely objective uninterested point of view it's pretty incredible that man with zero military power got placed as the leader of a country by a popular revolution from the people.
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President Trump should invite him over to the White House for some ham sandwiches.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So what's the difference between Islamic Regime in Iran and the Iranian people?

The Islamic Regime in Iran is simply following the edict of Shia Islam that the majority of Iranian citizens follow as well. The Iranian Revolution didn't install this leadership if they didn't adhere to a version of Islam the Iranian people endorsed. Remember the Ayatollah didn't take over Iran by force because he had an army. He was preaching from outside the country and was installed by the Iranian people after they toppled the western backed dictatorship of the Shah themselves in a popular revolution.

The Iranian Revolution is actually an incredible story of a people picking their leadership in the most pure form possible. The Ayatollah literally had zero military power and was put in power by the people because they endorsed his version of Islam.

So please tell me how the Islamic Regime in Iran is different from the Islam the Iranian people practice?
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I'd say the difference is the ruthless tyranny practiced by the regime. I understand that what the regime became is not what the people envisioned, to oversimplify things.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Or you could admit Japan's surrender was a regime change in all but name as we became the authority in that country. Japan's emperor might still have had the throne but it was in name only. Japan became a puppet state for America. You can't compare that to Iran where we have zero influence let alone a complete puppet regime.
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Reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong suit. UPDATED: my apology. What I should have said here was logic is not your strong suit. I regret the error.

Read it carefully: my Japan analogy was used to point out the absurd oversimplification you made.

Anyway, my last post on the matter. Not much on discussions with fence posts and have engaged this time far too long.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
www.breitbart.com

John Cusack: Iran will Rush to Get a Nuclear Weapon and They Should Get One

Actor John Cusack said Iran would "rush to get a nuclear weapon," and encouraged them to get one before the United States and Israel bombed "every country" in the Middle East.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com

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What a freaking ding dong.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You may not like it but the Iranian Revolution is looked at as an incredible story around the Islamic world. A nation removing a dictator and putting in his place a religious cleric who would rule according to their faith. There really is no other modern example of such a revolution.

As Americans we've been taught to demonize it because it goes against our leadership's hegemonic goals around the world. But on a purely objective uninterested point of view it's pretty incredible that man with zero military power got placed as the leader of a country by a popular revolution from the people.
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The Islamic world by and large is garbage. They liked it because it was against us. Nothing more.

Iran has not improved upon anything since that time.

Being run by strong Islamic rule is nothing to be proud of. Like I said, you should be studied.
 
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