Iran

[Orange_Crush]

Killing one man does nothing. Iran is a religious theocracy. Thats like saying if we kill the Pope the Vatican Church would collapse. No they would simply elect another Pope. To enact regime change you would need to occupy Iran and facilitate a non-fundamentalist government with US troop support.

No. It's like you saying that all Catholics will treat people like the Spanish Inquisition.

 

[Orange_Crush]

How did you get that from my post? We're not attacking Iran because they oppress their citizens. We attacked Iran because they're a religious theocracy that wanted nukes. The issue being their adherence to Islamic fundamentalism and the acquisition of WMDs. My post was in response to this fact. That bombing the leadership of Iran won't change the fact the people in that country are still in support of having a fundamentalist government.

As long as Iran is a country that wants to be governed according to Islam rather than secularism you're gonna have the same situation.

You're saying that all potential Islam leadership will want nukes and refuse inspection?

 

[jmacvols1]

and not much has changed in terms of their relationship with us and Israel.

What? Iran went from the 1970s of being allies to the US to enemies (death to America) and since 1979 has attacked the US in terrorists attack, funded other countries so they can attack US assets and attacked individual Americans (hostages).

 

[Orangeburst]

Many of these sites were set up by the SPND, an umbrella organisation led by Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, an Iranian nuclear physicist who was assassinated in 2020 with a satellite-controlled machine gun — allegedly by Israel.

Satellite controlled machine guns..come on man..you dont mess with Israel.

Israeli spies ‘in Iran for years’ before war on nuclear sites

New documents seen by The Times reveal Mossad has been gathering intelligence from within the enemy state — and could still be doing so

www.thetimes.com

 

[Orange_Crush]

TACO

 

[Orange_Crush]

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Very well done video. Didnt know we used an attack sub to hit one site with 30 tomahawks. That guy is an F15 pilot and knows his stuff. Check out the comments too...an Army veteran breaks down the topography of the sites and how much the mountains collapsed. The 3 openings grouped together all lead into the same air shafts deep underground. We definitely wrecked that site. Complete and utter dominance with perfect execution...involving several different fighters like F22s as escorts, E18 jammers for SAM radars, B2 stealth bombers on 18 hour each way flight that delivered the never before used in war ordinance, and the sub dropping 30 tomahawks on the other site. What a beautiful flawless operation. Bravo to the USAF and the Navy.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I got that from your post because that’s exactly what you said LOL

The point is we were never originally gonna attack Iran cause they oppress and kill their own. It was because of the threat they would be to the outside world if they got nukes. I literally had arguments in this very thread before the ceasefire that we had to attack Iran cause if they got nukes they would use them because they're radical Muslims. Now after Trump declares victory the same people saying Iran was a threat because of their radical Islamic beliefs are now saying they're not a threat if you kill the Ayatollah. As if he's the only radical Muslim in the country.

My point was if you believed Iran was a threat before because of radical Islam, why are they now suddenly no longer a threat? Because daddy Trump said so?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

No. Your original post was a terrible claim.

So you think Japan after the war and Iran after the ceasefire are in the same boat even after we dismantled the Japanese military and occupied them militarily? That's a fair comparison in your eyes?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

No. It's like you saying that all Catholics will treat people like the Spanish Inquisition.

Call me crazy but didn't yall make that exact argument as to why we had to attack Iran in the first place? That's they're radical Muslims that can't be trusted with nukes. Now it's just the leader that's the problem not the people backing him?

It's amazing how yall switch up based on what daddy Trump says. Before the ceasefire it was we have to stop them from getting nukes by any means and now it's not all Muslims are bad and all we need to do is kill the leader and we're fine.

If the majority of Muslims are such good people as you seem to be arguing for right now, why not just trust them to do the right thing and remove the radical ones in power? You know the radical guys they put in power with the Revolution in 1979?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You're saying that all potential Islam leadership will want nukes and refuse inspection?

I'm not saying that. Yall were the ones saying that before the ceasefire when you were cheering on this war. I'm simply trying to keep yall honest with what you were saying just a week ago.

Don't forget I was the one saying that just because they're Muslim that doesn't make them a threat. But when it looked like we were gonna be going to war yall were cheerleading the conflict based on the Iranian regime being Muslim. Now after Trump declares victory yall are acting like the Iranians are just like us. And how dare I stereotype them as potential threats simply because they're Muslim.

Do yall not see the hypocrisy of your position?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

What? Iran went from the 1970s of being allies to the US to enemies (death to America) and since 1979 has attacked the US in terrorists attack, funded other countries so they can attack US assets and attacked individual Americans (hostages).

Since 1979. Are you seriously gonna ignore the fact I said that right before the part you quoted?

 

[EasternVol]

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[jmacvols1]

Since 1979. Are you seriously gonna ignore the fact I said that right before the part you quoted?

you posted:
"Iran has already had leadership changes since the 1979 revolution and not much has changed in terms of their relationship with us and Israel."

Much has changed since 1979.

 

[GroverCleveland]

So you think Japan after the war and Iran after the ceasefire are in the same boat even after we dismantled the Japanese military and occupied them militarily? That's a fair comparison in your eyes?

I used your stated rational for a conclusion by applying the same rational to Japan after WW2 to illustrate how overly simplistic and ridiculous it was.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Call me crazy but didn't yall make that exact argument as to why we had to attack Iran in the first place? That's they're radical Muslims that can't be trusted with nukes. Now it's just the leader that's the problem not the people backing him?

It's amazing how yall switch up based on what daddy Trump says. Before the ceasefire it was we have to stop them from getting nukes by any means and now it's not all Muslims are bad and all we need to do is kill the leader and we're fine.

If the majority of Muslims are such good people as you seem to be arguing for right now, why not just trust them to do the right thing and remove the radical ones in power? You know the radical guys they put in power with the Revolution in 1979?

OK. You're crazy. I didn't make it past the first sentence as it is fiction.

There is a difference between concerns per this Muslim regime and all Muslims.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm not saying that. Yall were the ones saying that before the ceasefire when you were cheering on this war. I'm simply trying to keep yall honest with what you were saying just a week ago.

Don't forget I was the one saying that just because they're Muslim that doesn't make them a threat. But when it looked like we were gonna be going to war yall were cheerleading the conflict based on the Iranian regime being Muslim. Now after Trump declares victory yall are acting like the Iranians are just like us. And how dare I stereotype them as potential threats simply because they're Muslim.

Do yall not see the hypocrisy of your position?

Again, no. We weren't. There is a difference between having concerns with this regime and generalizing it to all Muslims like you seem to be doing.

 

[rekinhavoc]

John Cusack: Iran will Rush to Get a Nuclear Weapon and They Should Get One

Actor John Cusack said Iran would "rush to get a nuclear weapon," and encouraged them to get one before the United States and Israel bombed "every country" in the Middle East.

www.breitbart.com

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[Orange_Crush]

John Cusack: Iran will Rush to Get a Nuclear Weapon and They Should Get One

Actor John Cusack said Iran would "rush to get a nuclear weapon," and encouraged them to get one before the United States and Israel bombed "every country" in the Middle East.

www.breitbart.com

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Boy, Joan has really let herself go. Best wishes!

 

[Vol737]

John Cusack: Iran will Rush to Get a Nuclear Weapon and They Should Get One

Actor John Cusack said Iran would "rush to get a nuclear weapon," and encouraged them to get one before the United States and Israel bombed "every country" in the Middle East.

www.breitbart.com

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Looked up his age, he's 59. I swear I thought it was going to say 70ish. Not buying the still "natural" jet black hair.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

you posted:
"Iran has already had leadership changes since the 1979 revolution and not much has changed in terms of their relationship with us and Israel."

Much has changed since 1979.

I think you misunderstood my sentence there. I was talking about the fact they have changed Supreme Leaders since the original Ayatollah post 1979. The current Ayatollah isn't the same one that took over in 1979 after the Islamic Revolution. I was not referring to the pre-Islamic Revolution leadership vis-a-vis the Islamic Revolution leadership but rather the post-revolution change in Ayatollahs.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I used your stated rational for a conclusion by applying the same rational to Japan after WW2 to illustrate how overly simplistic and ridiculous it was.

If you're gonna use my rational then an apples to apples comparison would be appropriate. Not an apples to orangutan comparison. Japan after the unilateral surrender is nothing like Iran after the ceasefire. Learn how to make sensible comparisons if you want to apply that sort of logic.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

There is a difference between concerns per this Muslim regime and all Muslims.

Again, no. We weren't. There is a difference between having concerns with this regime and generalizing it to all Muslims like you seem to be doing.

So what's the difference between Islamic Regime in Iran and the Iranian people?

The Islamic Regime in Iran is simply following the edict of Shia Islam that the majority of Iranian citizens follow as well. The Iranian Revolution didn't install this leadership if they didn't adhere to a version of Islam the Iranian people endorsed. Remember the Ayatollah didn't take over Iran by force because he had an army. He was preaching from outside the country and was installed by the Iranian people after they toppled the western backed dictatorship of the Shah themselves in a popular revolution.

The Iranian Revolution is actually an incredible story of a people picking their leadership in the most pure form possible. The Ayatollah literally had zero military power and was put in power by the people because they endorsed his version of Islam.

So please tell me how the Islamic Regime in Iran is different from the Islam the Iranian people practice?

 

[Orange_Crush]

How come? The Islamic Regime in Iran is simply following the edict of Shia Islam that the majority of Iranian citizens follow as well. The Iranian Revolution didn't install this leadership if they didn't adhere to a version of Islam the Iranian people endorsed. Remember the Ayatollah didn't take over Iran by force because he had an army. He was preaching from outside the country and was installed by the Iranian people after they toppled the western backed dictatorship of the Shah.

The Iranian Revolution is actually an incredible story of a people picking their leadership in the most pure form possible. The Ayatollah literally had zero military power and was put in power by the people because they endorsed his version of Islam.

So please tell me how the Islamic Regime in Iran is different from the Islam the Iranian people practice?

Look at you. Having seen that you made a miscalculation in your accusations, you're trying to talk me into being what you accused.

The fact of the matter is that I'm not sure I've seen anyone you're trying to debate claim that any and all versions of Islam leadership will be untrustworthy and in need of occupation. They've pointed out that THIS REGIME attacked Israel, attacked US assets, continually promises to destroy the USA, has sponsored terrorism, and refused open/full nuclear inspection.

THIS REGIME.

If another regime, whether Islamic or not, fills the void without those attributes, we can deal with them as they deserve.

But you look beyond pitiable here. Basically, you dug a debate pit, stood sharpened sticks in it, covered it with palm fronds, and rubbed your hands together envisioning us falling into it. But we stopped well short of your crude trap, and now you're begging us to jump in.

Kick rocks.