Iran

[volfanhill]

Your politics takes are worse than your football ones. Didn't think that was possible

 

[Orangeslice13]

Your politics takes are worse than your football ones. Didn't think that was possible

I thought someone forgot blue font then I looked at the screen name

 

[Vol8188]

He's not lying. Israel and America wanted regime change. That didn't happen. So Iran definitely won this round. We'll have to wait and see if Israel tries again with regime change.

No they didn’t. You’re making things up

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

How many of those countries did Israel sneak into, rape and murder women and little girls, and cook their babies in the microwave. Also, love how you slide a little good ole fashion racism in just for good measure.

Don't know about sneaking into countrirs but the Israeli's are accused of raping Palestinian prisoners. Rights probe alleges sexual violence against Palestinians by Israeli forces used as ‘method of war’

Israel and Mossad are well known for engaging in pretty dehumanizing behavior towards the Palestinians. Just because American media is controlled by zionists and doesn't report on it does not mean it doesn't happen. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...ture-against-palestinians-custody-preventable

Nobody is innocent in this situation. The Israelis are just as bad as the Palestinians and Iranians. Which is why as an American we shouldn't be involved with these barbaric people. Let them kill each other if they want. We should just concern ourselves with what's going on inside our borders. Not trying to police the world.

 

[Vol8188]

Once again you have no evidence Iran is an irrational actor. If anything Israel is the main aggressor in the middle east considering how many countries they've bombed in just last 6 months

You mean the countries where Iranian sponsored terrorists reside and openly attack Israel? Yeah, Iran is clearly innocent!

 

[Sandman 423]

Don't know about sneaking into countrirs but the Israeli's are accused of raping Palestinian prisoners. Rights probe alleges sexual violence against Palestinians by Israeli forces used as ‘method of war’

Israel and Mossad are well known for engaging in pretty dehumanizing behavior towards the Palestinians. Just because American media is controlled by zionists and doesn't report on it does not mean it doesn't happen. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...ture-against-palestinians-custody-preventable

Nobody is innocent in this situation. The Israelis are just as bad as the Palestinians and Iranians. Which is why as an American we shouldn't be involved with these barbaric people. Let them kill each other if they want. We should just concern ourselves with what's going on inside our borders. Not trying to police the world.

I don’t think Israel is in the right, but you said Iran wasn’t an irrational actor. I believe they both are.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

No they didn’t. You’re making things up

Go listen to Netanyahu after the bombing campaign started. He was speaking directly to the Iranian people to rise up and topple the Islamic regime. The mission was even called something like "Rising Lion" to encourage the Iranian revolt against the Ayatollah. Trump himself called for regime change a number of times.

If you think they weren't trying to topple the Islamic Regime in Iran youre kidding yourself. The only reason the Israelis stopped is because of how much damage the Iranian missiles were doing in Tel Aviv and Haifa. If the Iron Dome had held you wouldn't have seen Israel agreeing to a ceasefire. They would have kept going until the Islamic regime was toppled.

This is why Iran won this round. They survived regime change. Which is the ultimate goal of Israel and the Zionist lobby.

 

[lawgator1]

You’d bitch if Trump handed you a wrinkled $100 bill.

I'd wonder what diseases it carried.

 

[Vol8188]

Go listen to Netanyahu after the bombing campaign started. He was speaking directly to the Iranian people to rise up and topple the Islamic regime. The mission was even called something like "Rising Lion" to encourage the Iranian revolt against the Ayatollah. Trump himself called for regime change a number of times.

If you think they weren't trying to topple the Islamic Regime in Iran youre kidding yourself. The only reason the Israelis stopped is because of how much damage the Iranian missiles were doing in Tel Aviv and Haifa. If the Iron Dome had held you wouldn't have seen Israel agreeing to a ceasefire. They would have kept going until the Islamic regime was toppled.

This is why Iran won this round. They survived regime change. Which is the ultimate goal of Israel and the Zionist lobby.

They could have killed the leader of Iran if they wished. You’re lying to yourself if you believe otherwise.

Iran lost horrifically. Their chain of command was decimated.

 

[volfanhill]

I'd wonder what diseases it carried.

Your a lawyer. You'd dismiss that thought , take the money, and then consider if that moment of thought was a billable hour

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Iran invaded Iraq as part of the Iran-Iraq War, Iraq invaded first, then lost ground. There was a ceasefire agreement pseudo in place, Iran rejected it and invaded iraq and the war drug on for another couple of years.

they have who knows how many proxies destabilizing the greater area. Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas. Even the issues with Pakistan in Sistan and Baluchestan. They have even traded shells at high speed with the new Taliban government. so even without their formal military doing to much they haven't been paragons of peace.

I am sure you won't accept it as "toppling" but as far as interfering with other nation's governments look at Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. each one has had the Iranian thumb on it pretty heavily, and arguably completely in some cases.

OK. What's your point? Iran is a nuisance to Israeli and American hegemony in the Middle East. You want them to roll over and just let Israel have their way like the puppet regimes in the rest of the Middle East that we control?

Iran has a right to protect its interests in the region. So does Israel by the way. The country that has no business being there is us. Let Israel and Iran fight each other for control of the region. It shouldn't be none of our business. Just like Russia and Ukraine should be none of our business.

By you guys in the right have been brainwashed by the Neo-Cons and Zionist lobby to use our taxpayer dollars to fight wars all over the world on behalf of non-Americans.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Go listen to Netanyahu after the bombing campaign started. He was speaking directly to the Iranian people to rise up and topple the Islamic regime. The mission was even called something like "Rising Lion" to encourage the Iranian revolt against the Ayatollah. Trump himself called for regime change a number of times.

If you think they weren't trying to topple the Islamic Regime in Iran youre kidding yourself. The only reason the Israelis stopped is because of how much damage the Iranian missiles were doing in Tel Aviv and Haifa. If the Iron Dome had held you wouldn't have seen Israel agreeing to a ceasefire. They would have kept going until the Islamic regime was toppled.

This is why Iran won this round. They survived regime change. Which is the ultimate goal of Israel and the Zionist lobby.

Barely surviving (for now) != defeating and "slapping".

It was a hollow claim, trying to save face. Little more. Little less.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

For an action to be evil, the intent behind it has to be for nefarious reasons.

So when Osama Bin Laden said he was attacking the United States because of our foreign policy in the Middle East that makes his actions not evil because he didn't have nefarious reasons?

If intent is your requirement for an action to be evil then there is no difference between us and the "terrorists". Because their intent is to defend their people and their beliefs just like our intent is to defend our people and our beliefs.

Great job arguing for moral relativism.

 

[Orange_Crush]

So when Osama Bin Laden said he was attacking the United States because of our foreign policy in the Middle East that makes his actions not evil because he didn't have nefarious reasons?

If intent is your requirement for an action to be evil then there is no difference between us and the "terrorists". Because their intent is to defend their people and their beliefs just like our intent is to defend our people and our beliefs.

Great job arguing for moral relativism.

He's right y'all.

 

[Orangeburst]

Your a lawyer. You'd dismiss that thought , take the money, and then consider if that moment of thought was a billable hour

Those bus bench ads dont pay for themselves

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Here are a few objective reasons:
Bill of Rights
Among the highest per capita income
Largest economy
Most powerful military
Leads the world in IP creation
Medical system that is among the world’s best
Currency is the reserve currency for rest of the world
Higher ed system is still the world leader
In spite of flaws nobody does multiethnic culture better
Self sufficient in energy
Among the highest environmental standards
Language is the world standard for business and technology

I could go on and we may not be the best in every category, but no other country has the whole package like the US. People (including a former president) grouse all the time about how we are nothing special. It is IMHO ungrateful and objectively false.

You seem to be arguing against something I never said. I never said America wasn't the best country on earth. I simply challenged him to articulate objective reasons rather than just yelling we're the best with zero logic and reasoning.

With that said, I do believe America is the best country on earth. But not for what you stated. America is the best because of the American Dream. The idea that you can be anything you want to be if you work hard enough. Despite the fact it might not be equally accessible to everyone, there's still no other country that gives you as much opportunity as America. So yeah I definitely would not want to live anywhere else.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I don’t think Israel is in the right, but you said Iran wasn’t an irrational actor. I believe they both are.

I can get behind that. You guys think I've been advocating for the Iranian regime when I hate them. The difference is I also hate Zionist regime in Israel. Both are terrible and I don't want us as Americans wasting our resources on helping either side. Let them kill each other if they want. It shouldn't be any of our business.

 

[Sandman 423]

I can get behind that. You guys think I've been advocating for the Iranian regime when I hate them. The difference is I also hate Zionist regime in Israel. Both are terrible and I don't want us as Americans wasting our resources on helping either side. Let them kill each other if they want. It shouldn't be any of our business.

I don’t hate either. I agree that it shouldn’t concern us.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

They could have killed the leader of Iran if they wished. You’re lying to yourself if you believe otherwise.

Iran lost horrifically. Their chain of command was decimated.

Killing the leader does nothing. His second in command just takes over. Remember this isn't the first Ayatollah. The Iranians have had other leaders before this current one.

Regime change requires replacing the current Islamic regime with another secular regime. That's what the Israelis wanted. And that's what didn't happen. Just killing the Ayatollah doesn't completely remove the current regime.

 

[Vol8188]

Killing the leader does nothing. His second in command just takes over. Remember this isn't the first Ayatollah. The Iranians have had other leaders before this current one.

Regime change requires replacing the current Islamic regime with another secular regime. That's what the Israelis wanted. And that's what didn't happen. Just killing the Ayatollah doesn't completely remove the current regime.

Want is a strong word. Would they be upset? No. Are they willing to commit to it? No. Was it the goal of this military operation? No.

So pretending their failure to achieve something that wasn’t the actual goal…is a complete joke. But it is the level of argument we are used to from you

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Want is a strong word. Would they be upset? No. Are they willing to commit to it? No. Was it the goal of this military operation? No.

So pretending their failure to achieve something that wasn’t the actual goal…is a complete joke. But it is the level of argument we are used to from you

Netanyahu hasn't been calling for us to attack Iran for 30 years just so we could drop a few bombs and then sign a ceasefire with them. The goal was regime change because the Iranians aren't just gonna stop trying to get a nuke no matter how far this attack set them back. Also they're not gonna just suddenly stop supporting the enemies of Israel.

Whether you like it or not, the mere fact the Iranian regime has lived to see another day means they won this round.

 

[volfanhill]

Netanyahu hasn't been calling for us to attack Iran for 30 years just so we could drop a few bombs and then sign a ceasefire with them. The goal was regime change because the Iranians aren't just gonna stop trying to get a nuke no matter how far this attack set them back. Also they're not gonna just suddenly stop supporting the enemies of Israel.

Whether you like it or not, the mere fact the Iranian regime has lived to see another day means they won this round.

This is a worse take then your Dobbs will be HOF if given the chance

 

[NEO]

So when Osama Bin Laden said he was attacking the United States because of our foreign policy in the Middle East that makes his actions not evil because he didn't have nefarious reasons?

If intent is your requirement for an action to be evil then there is no difference between us and the "terrorists". Because their intent is to defend their people and their beliefs just like our intent is to defend our people and our beliefs.

Great job arguing for moral relativism.

So we are gonna get the same stupid takes by you in here as we get in the football forum I see….

Great!!!!

 

[StarRaider]

can someone explain this 20 year discrepancy in the timeline?

 

[Orange.]

CNN’s source on the leaked story was Iran. CNN was promoting Iranian state propaganda. To manufacture American media propaganda.