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#6,927
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
All nations are not created equally.

You don't let the proven crazy people buy guns even WITH the 2nd Amendment in America.

Our ish definitely stinks but Iran's is flaming in a bag on Israel's doorstep. There are levels of stink.

They're unstable. They might use the damn thing simply because of a religious feud they have with the Saudis, so the Saudis might want a nuke too and Egypt and.... and ... "You get a nuke and you get a nuke and you get a nuke."

The world has collectively agreed that nuclear proliferation is bad for humanity. It's one of the few things almost the entire world has agreed upon. I'm sorry, dude. I get it. You want to crusade for "fairness."

I'll tell you something your Dad should've told you when you first got your butt kicked unfairly:

"Son, life isn't always going to be fair. You'll have the upper hand sometimes and you won't sometimes. A$$ whippings are just as much a part of life as whipping someone's a$$. Get your stuff and let's get on home or your Mom will kill us both."

With that, I'm leaving the Politics Forum. I'll read what you post but won't respond. This is no place for me.
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Now you’re catching on. Reason is not a common trait in this forum whereas tinfoil hats are standard headgear.
 
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KB5252 said:
It seems the CNN story about about Trump greatly exaggerating the effectiveness of the strikes is at odds with today's briefing.
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First, the administration has acknowledged that CNN's reporting on the initial assessment was correct.

Second, if you mean a briefing by Hegseth, sorry but that guy has absolutely zero credibility.
 
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#6,929
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
We've literally been toppling governments and killing world leaders for most of the last century. When's the last time Iran invaded another country? When's the last time Iran toppled a foreign government?

It's wild how the average American has no idea how flagrant we move around the world compared to everyone else. There's a reason so many people hate us. It's not because we're free or whatever other platitudes Fox News brainwashed Americans to believe. It's because we do things on the world stage nobody else does. We invade countries with impunity. We drop bombs wherever we want. Our intelligence agency is killing and murdering people all around the world that stand against American interests.

We're literally the world's bully and you're surprised we're hated?
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Iran invaded Iraq as part of the Iran-Iraq War, Iraq invaded first, then lost ground. There was a ceasefire agreement pseudo in place, Iran rejected it and invaded iraq and the war drug on for another couple of years.

they have who knows how many proxies destabilizing the greater area. Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas. Even the issues with Pakistan in Sistan and Baluchestan. They have even traded shells at high speed with the new Taliban government. so even without their formal military doing to much they haven't been paragons of peace.

I am sure you won't accept it as "toppling" but as far as interfering with other nation's governments look at Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. each one has had the Iranian thumb on it pretty heavily, and arguably completely in some cases.
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, the administration has acknowledged that CNN's reporting on the initial assessment was correct.

Second, if you mean a briefing by Hegseth, sorry but that guy has absolutely zero credibilitly
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The IAEA says the centrifuges were not functional. The CNN story said set back of months. The more information that does come out seems to sort that significant damage was done. As hyperbolic as Hegseth and the admin was being it looks the the CNN story was similarly hyperbolic
 
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KB5252 said:
The IAEA days the centrifuges were not functional. The CNN story said set back of months. The more information that does come out seems to sort that significant damage was done. As hyperbolic as Hegseth and the admin was being it looks the the CNN story was similarly hyperbolic
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The admin showed videos of weapon test with commentary. It seems a lot more believable that a bunch of bunker buster bombs sent down the air vents, having exploded to the point of settling ash and God knows what else all over the satellite images, probably set them back a bit more than CNN's initial reporting claimed.
 
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#6,937
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So you think dropping nukes on innocent civilians isn't an evil act? Mass killing of civilians is mass killing of civilians regardless of what justification you can come up with.
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For an action to be evil, the intent behind it has to be for nefarious reasons. We dropped the bomb to prevent further death and war therefore the act was difficult but the reasoning it was done was not evil. It was extremely sad though.
 
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#6,938
Sounds like, when it comes to nukes and Iran... Iran's so far away. They couldn't get away.

They're about as dangerous as a flock of seagulls.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Face-saving. Let 'em have it unless/until the people overthrow him. He can't hurt us with face-saving lied.
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I would think Iranians could get on the internet and compare what he said to the reality of what actually happened. I would also tho't he would have used propaganda outlets CNN and NYT to report their claim that minimum damage was done.
 
#6,940
#6,940
Trump should of said facilities, but he said program..so now this **** stew..he doesnt articulate or convey properly.
 
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508mikey said:
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lawgator1 said:
They were 100 percent correct on that report. Trump administration has admitted it.

They disagree with the report - I know, what a shock ! -- but the reporting on its conclusions was completely accurate.
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Can you link? Not that I don't believe you. I'd just like to see the admission.

Sounds like, from the most recent claims by the admin, all three facilities are destroyed, and they've been set back years--not months.
 
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#6,948
lawgator1 said:
The Trump narrative on this has sadly and completely predictably turned to:

"How dare you question us on this ???!!! It's outrageous! For you to question whether the strikes actually caused the result Trump claimed is to attack the competence of our brave soldiers and airmen!!"

No one is buying it.

And irony is, the Ayatollah over there says that the strikes had no effect. Guess what? He's lying too. But in our country, unlike his, we get to demand the answers and not accept the word of political allies, all falling in, in lockstep to Dear Leader saving face.

And when we do question it, and the press do pose tough questions to Trump in the form of confronting him with his own words Saturday versus at least some the intelligence expressing doubt, that cannot be equated to criticism of the armed forces.

Trump should spend less time wrapping himself in the flag as a deflection of criticism of him, and more time thinking about how he has yet again learned that his bragging and making grandiose claims he does not know for sure are correct, bites him in the azz yet again.
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If he hasn't learned by now...
 
#6,949
#6,949
Orange_Crush said:
The admin showed videos of weapon test with commentary. It seems a lot more believable that a bunch of bunker buster bombs sent down the air vents, having exploded to the point of settling ash and God knows what else all over the satellite images, probably set them back a bit more than CNN's initial reporting claimed.
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They should have topped it all off with MOAB just for the optics.
 
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KB5252 said:
The IAEA days the centrifuges were not functional. The CNN story said set back of months. The more information that does come out seems to sort that significant damage was done. As hyperbolic as Hegseth and the admin was being it looks the the CNN story was similarly hyperbolic
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I saw that. How would they know?
 
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