Iran

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You’re over simplifying and misrepresenting what actually happened. Which is either because you simply don’t know what you’re talking about or you’re intentionally doing it

Then tell us what actually happened if I'm misrepresenting it. Did the UK and US not depose a democratically elected Iranian government in 1953 to install the Shah? Did the Shah not have a brutally repressive regime? Did the Islamic Revolution not happen in response to said repressive regime that we supported?

Please tell us what I misrepresented. Obviously I simplified 70+ years of history cause we're on a message board. But that simplification is accurate and didn't misrepresent anything.

 

[MontyPython]

Not sure I've seen this posted here to date, but think it's worth mentioning...

We may have basically shot our bunker buster wad with this attack v. Iran. If it failed to blow up Fordo, perhaps only a handful of GBU57s remain. Also, the underground portion of the main nuclear site at Isfahan was apparently not even hit by bunker busters during our attack... Leaving questions about Trump's immediate claim that the Iranian nuclear program was completely destroyed.

My guess is that Iran's stash of enriched Uranium remains unscathed... That the Iranian moved it prior to our bombing them. If so, as W. once said, "Mission accomplished!" may ring hollow here.

Based on available information from posts on X and web sources, the United States used 14 GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) bombs in strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities, primarily targeting the Fordow site, on June 21, 2025. Estimates of the total U.S. stockpile of GBU-57s vary, with sources suggesting around 20 bombs in the inventory, though some indicate the number could be slightly higher.

• If the U.S. had approximately 20 GBU-57s, expending 14 would leave 6 bombs, equating to 30% of the stockpile remaining.
• Some X posts claim up to 70% of the stockpile was used, implying a similar range, but these lack authoritative confirmation and may reflect speculation.

However, precise stockpile numbers are classified, and no official U.S. government source confirms the exact inventory or percentage remaining. The estimate of 30% remaining is based on the most commonly cited figure of 20 bombs, but this should be treated as inconclusive due to potential variations in the total stockpile and the absence of verified data.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Last I checked Japan didn't drop a nuke on us before we dropped two on them. You can't justify using nuclear weapons in response to conventional weapons by your opponent. If that counted as provocation then Russia could argue they can use nukes against Ukraine because Ukraine used conventional weapons against them.

Had we not dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. There has been estimates that it would have cost 500,000 to 1 million American casualties to invade the Japanese islands.

 

[KB5252]

Yes. Have you read the Talmud and do you understand the tenets of Jewish extremism? See how easy that is.

Last I checked Russia and China aren't Muslim. Why is it they don't have a problem with Iran if Islam is the problem?

I feel sorry for how easily so many in the right fall for bigotry to justify our aggression toward other nations. There are nearly 2 billion Muslims on the planet. If their religion is what we're fighting then we're in trouble.

China and Russia are seeking out and trying to develop a counter alliance of nations to one day compete with and hopefully overtake the western influence of the world order.

Their motivation is no more or less pure than ours. They will subjugate and stifle those they wish if they gain the power. They are no different than the US in that regard.

There is no good or evil...... It's both everywhere at all times. China is brutal just as we are...... And you can wish for them to usurp us in the world order but once done you'd hate the results.

 

[MontyPython]

Did the United States fail to bomb the primary storage facility for nuclear program Iran

There is no definitive evidence from available sources that the United States specifically targeted or failed to bomb a primary storage facility for Iran's nuclear program. However, recent reports indicate that on June 22, 2025, the U.S. conducted airstrikes on three Iranian nuclear sites—Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan—using B-2 stealth bombers and GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) "bunker-buster" bombs, as well as Tomahawk missiles. These strikes were described by U.S. officials and President Donald Trump as a "spectacular military success," with claims that Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities were "completely and totally obliterated."

The Fordow facility, a deeply buried uranium enrichment site, was a primary target due to its fortification and role in Iran's nuclear program. Satellite imagery and analyses suggest significant damage at Fordow, with six craters indicating the use of bunker-buster bombs, though the extent of internal damage remains unclear. Some Iranian officials, including a senior source cited by Reuters, claimed that most of the highly enriched uranium at Fordow had been moved elsewhere before the attack, and an Iranian lawmaker stated the site was evacuated in anticipation of strikes. A post on X also claimed the U.S. bombed an "empty facility" at Fordow, but this lacks independent verification and should be treated as inconclusive.

Natanz, Iran's largest uranium enrichment center, and Isfahan, a key nuclear research complex, were also hit. Satellite imagery showed craters at Natanz and damage to tunnel entrances and buildings at Isfahan, but there is no specific mention of a "primary storage facility" being targeted or spared in these strikes. Experts note that Iran's stockpile of highly enriched uranium, which could be stored at various sites, was likely not destroyed, as its location remains unknown.

Without clearer information on what constitutes the "primary storage facility" or evidence of a specific failed attempt to target such a site, it cannot be confirmed that the U.S. failed to bomb it. The strikes appear to have caused significant damage to Iran's nuclear infrastructure, but Iranian claims of evacuating materials and the lack of verified destruction of enriched uranium stocks suggest the overall impact may be limited. Further assessment is needed to determine the full extent of the damage and whether critical storage sites were affected.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Maybe because Iran is led by a religious nut that has repeatedly attacked Israel and has called for them and the US to be destroyed every time he has steped in front of a microphone for the past 40 years?

Russia and China aren't Muslim countries so why isn't Iran trying to attack them? Maybe there's something else in play other than religion? Maybe the Iranians hate us and Israel for something other than the fact we don't share their religion.

I just find it funny how easily brainwashed you guys are when it comes to Iran. If they're just religious fanatics why don't every other country join us against them?
If Iran was the crazy religious lunatics you claim them to be then Russia and China stand for it either. But what we see instead is Russia and China supporting them because they see what every other logical person sees which is Iran acting in self-defense to US and Israeli aggression.

If we left Iran alone like Russia and China they would leave us alone. The idea they're fueled by religious fanaticism is a right wing talking point to trick silly bigoted people like you into supporting forever wars in the middle east.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Probably been mentioned but how is this different than what Obama did as President when he dropped bombs on other countries. Is this tweet not accurate

Did democrats try and impeach Reagan for Grenada way back when?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Uganda's government is evil for allowing that. Just like Iran's government is evil for allowing that.

Do you believe the death penalty for homosexuality is acceptable without religious influence?
("just because a country has the death penalty for homosexuality doesn't mean it's evil. It just means they're highly conservative and follow the laws of their religion")
By your previous statement, I'm of the impression you find it acceptable if not moral.

Could you clarify your position?

I don't support the death penalty in any circumstance. My point there once again was to show there were other countries doing what Iran does but yet nobody is advocating the we attack the religious fanatics in Uganda.

Also the Ugandan law was inspired by evangelical missionaries from the United States that were spouting anti-gay rhetoric in Uganda. So you can thank our Christian right here in America for giving Uganda the idea to kill gays.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Before the Shah was put in place by the United States and Britain

They'd already had a Shah. We re-empowered their Shah after western influence, particularly US, pressured the USSR into giving up their occupation of Iran

, Iran had a secular democracy

we did not change the format of their government or constitution. The new bosses had the same rank, positions, and titles as the previous bosses

where women were free to wear miniskirts and bikinis in public.

which did not change during or due to periods of western influence

The Islamic Revolution was in response to the toppling of this democratically elected government

And 25 years later it's all our fault.

D4H, Most disingenuous poster on VolNation

 

[CagleMtnVol]

We have allegedly been at "this point in the clock" perpetually for like half a century

So we should just keep assuming it's going to stay that way? Then what happens if three months from now and we wake up one morning and Tel Aviv no longer exists on a map or Bahrain home of the USN 5th fleet or Al Udeid our massive USAF base in Qatar?

Then what?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Had we not dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. There has been estimates that it would have cost 500,000 to 1 million American casualties to invade the Japanese islands.

And? You think casualty count would justify using nukes today? If we go to war with Iran would we be justified in nuking Tehran because of how many lives a lengthy ground war could cost?

As I said earlier. The only reason we dropped the nukes in WW2 is because nobody else had them. Not because we were somehow morally justified. The reason people don't use nukes now is because of mutually assured destruction. Best believe if Japan had nukes of their own in WW2 we wouldn't have dropped anything for fear they would do the same to us.

There is no moral justification for us dropping those bombs. We did it cause the side didn't have them. And the reason nobody does it now is cause others have nukes too.

 

[MontyPython]

Yes. Have you read the Talmud and do you understand the tenets of Jewish extremism? See how easy that is.

Last I checked Russia and China aren't Muslim. Why is it they don't have a problem with Iran if Islam is the problem?

I feel sorry for how easily so many in the right fall for bigotry to justify our aggression toward other nations. There are nearly 2 billion Muslims on the planet. If their religion is what we're fighting then we're in trouble.

A lot of what you've posted here is probably correct... Unfortunately, I think a good proportion of posters here prefer the simplicity of a black and white world - one where "Iran is part of the Axis of Evil" - when all the while, we were the Dr. Frankenstein that created this "monster". Fact.

I had a good friend years ago who emigrated Iran and told me about how divided the country really was about Western society and ideals. Invited me to go on his next trip there, in fact. And then 9/11 happened.

I don't believe war is a solution to the differences between the US and Iran, but nearly 50 years of a cold war between us stands in the way of a breakthrough. Trump's bombing doesn't solve this problem... It only adds to it.

And now Donald is testing the waters with proposing regime change... a pleasant way to say he's considering assassinating the Ayatollah.

And in the greatest of ironies, Pakistan nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize 2 days ago.

You can't make this **** up.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

China and Russia are seeking out and trying to develop a counter alliance of nations to one day compete with and hopefully overtake the western influence of the world order.

Their motivation is no more or less pure than ours. They will subjugate and stifle those they wish if they gain the power. They are no different than the US in that regard.

There is no good or evil...... It's both everywhere at all times. China is brutal just as we are...... And you can wish for them to usurp us in the world order but once done you'd hate the results.

I agree but isn't Iran not a rational actor but instead religious fanatics. I mean that's what you've been trying to convince me all this time. That we have to act against them because they're not a normal state interested in normal geopolitics. If they're so crazy why would Russia and China play with that fire? Wouldn't they join us in neutralizing an irrational actor who would use nukes to bring about a religious Armageddon?

This is why the Iranians are religious fanatics holds no weight. Russia and China wouldn't support them if they were irrational actors. It's obvious Iran is a rational player on the world stage and acting like they would use nuclear weapons in an irrational manner is nothing more than fear mongering by those who want to start another war.

 

[MemphisVol77]

I don't support the death penalty in any circumstance

We agree on something.

I don't see how you can say imposing the death penalty over religion isn't evil.

It also seems you absolve muslims of culpability for muslim states that allow the death penalty over sexuality, yet credit christians specifically for the one instance it's enacted on in a predominantly christian state.

 

[MontyPython]

Maybe because Iran is led by a religious nut that has repeatedly attacked Israel and has called for them and the US to be destroyed every time he has stepped in front of a microphone for the past 40 years?

A lot of folks here - and around the world including many of our longtime allies - believe Donald Trump is a "nut". A conclusion validated by basically his entire political career and personal life. The MAGA worldview can't see the forest beyond the trees.

 

[EasternVol]

'A choice of two evils': Young anti-regime Iranians divided over conflict

Anti-regime Iranians agree the Islamic Republic must fall, but differ on the Iran-Israel conflict and response.

www.bbc.com

It has become increasingly difficult for journalists to contact people inside Iran, due to the authorities restricting access to the internet and social media.

We have managed to speak to several young Iranians who oppose the regime - and have protested against it in the past - in recent days, however.

Their names have been changed for their safety as the Iranian authorities frequently imprison opponents in an attempt to suppress dissent.

Tara, 26, told the BBC that when Israel issues evacuation warnings ahead of strikes, authorities shut off internet access "so that people don't find out and the death toll rises".

Checkpoints and toll stations are also set up, she says, accusing authorities of "deliberately" creating traffic, which "encourages people to stay in targeted areas".

"Talking about patriotism, unity, and standing up to the enemy is absurd. The enemy has been killing us slowly for decades. The enemy is the Islamic Republic!"

The Israeli military has been issuing evacuation warnings via Telegram and X, which are banned in Iran. Coupled with limited internet access, this means it's difficult for Iranians to see the warnings.

Sima, 27, tells us she does not care about this anymore.

"I wish Israel would get the job done as soon as possible. I'm exhausted. Although I'm still not a fan of Israel or what it's doing, I hope they'd finish what they've started.

"Wishful thinking, I know. But I want them to rid us and the world of the threat of the IRGC [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps], [Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei and ayatollahs as a whole."

They sound nice...

"Israel is killing ordinary people as well. At some point, people will start to take the side of the Islamic Republic," he added.

Darya, 26, said: "I think the fact that people are not coming out to protest is already a clear response" to Netanyahu's call.

"I wouldn't go even if Israel bombed my house. Netanyahu is hiding behind Iranian nationalist slogans and pretends he's helping Iranians reach freedom while he's targeted residential areas. It's going to take years just to rebuild the country."

Arezou, 22, said she did not know what to think.

"I hate the regime, and I hate what it's done to us. But when I see bombs falling, I think of my grandmother, my little cousin. And I've seen what Netanyahu did to Gaza - do you really think he cares about Iranians? This isn't about us, it's about [Israeli] politics," she said.

"I feel like I have to choose between two evils, and I can't. I just want my people safe. I want to breathe without fear."

Mina, 27, said: "I want this regime gone more than anything - but not like this. Not through more bombs, more death."

"Israel is not our saviour. When innocent people die, it's not a step toward freedom, it's another form of injustice. I don't want to trade one kind of terror for another. I'm against this regime and also against this war. We deserve a better way out than this."

 

[CagleMtnVol]

And? You think casualty count would justify using nukes today? If we go to war with Iran would we be justified in nuking Tehran because of how many lives a lengthy ground war could cost?

As I said earlier. The only reason we dropped the nukes in WW2 is because nobody else had them. Not because we were somehow morally justified. The reason people don't use nukes now is because of mutually assured destruction. Best believe if Japan had nukes of their own in WW2 we wouldn't have dropped anything for fear they would do the same to us.

There is no moral justification for us dropping those bombs. We did it cause the side didn't have them. And the reason nobody does it now is cause others have nukes too.

You really need to read some history books. The potential casualty numbers and the fact the war might last another 3 to 5 years is the reason we dropped those bombs.

 

[EasternVol]

SIAP .....

Yeah like that would work. They've gotten sick of that show twice already.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

which did not change during or due to periods of western influence

And 25 years later it's all our fault.

D4H, Most disingenuous poster on VolNation

I guess you don't understand what I meant by they tried to be western like us and we still attacked them so they reverted back to Islamic fundamentalism. Regardless of the rosy picture you have tried to put on the oppressive dictatorship of the Shah the Iranian people revolted against him. They tied western values to a dictator who oppressed them which is why the message of the Islamic Revolution appealed to them. If we never put that dictator in place then maybe they don't associate western values and miniskirts with an oppressive regime leading to them wanting an Islamic state.

No matter how much yall want to deny it our meddling in their affairs led to them wanting a religious autocracy when nothing of the sort existed in their country before we interfered.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

A lot of what you've posted here is probably correct... Unfortunately, I think a good proportion of posters here prefer the simplicity of a black and white world - one where "Iran is part of the Axis of Evil" - when all the while, we were the Dr. Frankenstein that created this "monster". Fact.

I had a good friend years ago who emigrated Iran and told me about how divided the country really was about Western society and ideals. Invited me to go on his next trip there, in fact. And then 9/11 happened.

I don't believe war is a solution to the differences between the US and Iran, but nearly 50 years of a cold war between us stands in the way of a breakthrough. Trump's bombing doesn't solve this problem... It only adds to it.

And now Donald is testing the waters with proposing regime change... a pleasant way to say he's considering assassinating the Ayatollah.

And in the greatest of ironies, Pakistan nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize 2 days ago.

You can't make this **** up.

Exactly. All humans want the same things. Peace and prosperity. The bad actors in charge are the ones that try to separate us by saying the other side is evil and wants to destroy us. Best believe in Iran they're telling their people Americans hate them for being Muslim and want to kill them.

The solution is to understand we're all the same and want similar things. We only turn to violence out of fear. So let's stop being so afraid of one another and work to find common ground.

 

[EasternVol]

Lmfao “you made us choose Islamic fundamentalism” is one of my favorite claims. The idea that their leader was democratically elected previously is also a joke. The Shah chose him.

He was elected by their parliament. The Shah confirmed the results.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

We agree on something.

I don't see how you can say imposing the death penalty over religion isn't evil.

It also seems you absolve muslims of culpability for muslim states that allow the death penalty over sexuality, yet credit christians specifically for the one instance it's enacted on in a predominantly christian state.

I don't absolve Muslim states of anything. I just won't join in the fear mongering campaigns to dehumanize them as means of justifying wars of aggression.

 

[EasternVol]

You don't know what the heck you're talking about. These are religious Fanatics who control iran. You can try to change and appease them but they believe that America must fall under Islam Rule and law if not, we should be beheaded. That's the Iranian leadership's beliefs

Did they tell you that themselves?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

"Israel is killing ordinary people as well. At some point, people will start to take the side of the Islamic Republic," he added.

Darya, 26, said: "I think the fact that people are not coming out to protest is already a clear response" to Netanyahu's call.

"I wouldn't go even if Israel bombed my house. Netanyahu is hiding behind Iranian nationalist slogans and pretends he's helping Iranians reach freedom while he's targeted residential areas. It's going to take years just to rebuild the country."

Arezou, 22, said she did not know what to think.

"I hate the regime, and I hate what it's done to us. But when I see bombs falling, I think of my grandmother, my little cousin. And I've seen what Netanyahu did to Gaza - do you really think he cares about Iranians? This isn't about us, it's about [Israeli] politics," she said.

"I feel like I have to choose between two evils, and I can't. I just want my people safe. I want to breathe without fear."

Mina, 27, said: "I want this regime gone more than anything - but not like this. Not through more bombs, more death."

"Israel is not our saviour. When innocent people die, it's not a step toward freedom, it's another form of injustice. I don't want to trade one kind of terror for another. I'm against this regime and also against this war. We deserve a better way out than this."

This. War with Iran will only strengthen support for the Islamic Regime in the country rather than weakening it. The Iranian people might have revolted against their government if hadn't started bombing them. They'll probably rally around their government now that we've started a war.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You really need to read some history books. The potential casualty numbers and the fact the war might last another 3 to 5 years is the reason we dropped those bombs.

Those history books are trying to justify the act. Once again if a ground war with Iran last years would we be justified in using a nuke today on Tehran?

There is no moral justification for what we did. We only did it cause we could get away with it as the first mover. If Japan had a nuke we wouldn't have dropped anything.