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JFreak said:
Trump leading up to election - "I'll end the war in Ukraine on day 1, ensure not a single dollar goes towards funding the war, and will keep us out of foreign conflict"
Trump 6 months in - Ukraine war status remains same, have increased funding and supplies to Ukraine, and willingly entered a foreign conflict

Trump supporters both times - hell ya!! So umm.. which one is it?

Oh and for a bonus, the FY-26 spending bill will be far and away the largest budget ever approved.. hmm
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You could probably count on one hand the number of times the approved budget was not “the largest ever”

Every year spending goes up
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Let's see if the Orange man takes the bait. What happens if someone told you Iran wants the boots on the ground? (people haven't been paying attention to history)
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I’m not sure what he does? The businessman in him makes me think he does the strategically smart thing and let’s Israel clean up this mess.
The narcissist in him, makes me think this could be the first move toward WW3.
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LSU-SIU said:
Let's see if the Orange man takes the bait. What happens if someone told you Iran wants the boots on the ground? (people haven't been paying attention to history)
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I hope not. To me, that was the real error in Afghanistan and Iraq. We had 95% support to go into Afghanistan but we stuck around and accomplished nothing. Take out regime and pull out. If they setup another problematic region, we can always do it again.

I think we would have spent a fraction of the money and suffered (perhaps) no deaths had we followed that pattern versus staying in these nations as enforces for 10+ years.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Waste of tax dollars, he hasn't done anything that is impeachable.
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Plus, they don't have the power to either impeach him, or vote him out if he were impeached. It's stupid, self-harming political theater. They are intent on acting in defiance of popularity polls, I can only guess in an effort to start narratives that will change popularity polls.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I guess I just don't run in those Christian-Rapture-Death-Cult circles. I'll trust that you know them better than I. I stand by the comment that these Christian-Rapture-Death-Cults can't be trusted with nuclear weapons.
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That’s the thing that worries me about any skirmish in the Middle East.
We look at it from a business standpoint, imports, exports, OIL, but use the convenient “humanitarian effort” excuse.
It is a holy war for them and they will go to any means necessary to kill and/or die for their radical, religious beliefs.
 
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CobbWebb71 said:
I’m not sure what he does? The businessman in him makes me think he does the strategically smart thing and let’s Israel clean up this mess.
The narcissist in him, makes me think this could be the first move toward WW3.
🤷‍♂️
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100% agree there. They all want U.S. boots on the ground including Iran. (for the record, I don't think Israel can really clean this one up though)

Iran might want to put more chum out in the water and see if lures the Orange man. Maybe a false flag by Israel or Saudi. Whatever it takes.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Let's see if the Orange man takes the bait. What happens if someone told you Iran wants the boots on the ground? (people haven't been paying attention to history)
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The difference in me and a lot of people is that I don’t worship, nor trust ANY of our elected officials.
I can acknowledge when Biden, Trump, whoever does something positive and I can acknowledge when they pull something ignorant as well.
I have zero problem calling ANY of them out.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
www.foxnews.com

JONATHAN TURLEY: Dems suddenly outraged over presidential war powers

Democrats criticize Trump's Iran attack as unconstitutional, despite similar actions by Obama and Clinton, highlighting inconsistent application of War Powers Act
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

"Democrats in Washington are again talking impeachment. Politicians and pundits are expressing outrage over President Donald Trump attacking Iran without a prior authorization of Congress. It is the Claude Rains School of Constitutional Law where politicians are "shocked, shocked" that Trump is using the authority that they accepted in Democratic predecessors. Fourteen years ago this week, I was in court litigating that very issue when President Barack Obama attacked Libya. Most Democrats supported or were silent on the action."
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Congress hasn't declared war on anybody since WWII.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I guess I just don't run in those Christian-Rapture-Death-Cult circles. I'll trust that you know them better than I. I stand by the comment that these Christian-Rapture-Death-Cults can't be trusted with nuclear weapons.
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I wouldn't trust them with a butter knife.
How engaged is Iran's leadership in making their end days thing happen?
 
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EasternVol said:
Yet many in the US are pushing to make it happen. Is Iran's leadership pushing to make their version happen?
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If they had a nuke and the delivery system and THOUGHT that hitting Tel Aviv would usher in the “13th Imam/ Mahdi”…I think they would do it in a heartbeat. Eschatology is some wild ****.
 
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CobbWebb71 said:
The difference in me and a lot of people is that I don’t worship, nor trust ANY of our elected officials.
I can acknowledge when Biden, Trump, whoever does something positive and I can acknowledge when they pull something ignorant as well.
I have zero problem calling ANY of them out.
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I don't vote, I have stated on the forum during the last year that I was pulling for the Orange Man at the end. Not sure there was better option, unfortunately. I think what he has done domestically is awesome, what he is doing overseas is not good and it could turn into a disaster. Either way the Orange man owns the Ukraine and the Middle East at this point.

I think Israel, Saudi and Iran will need to put more chum in the water to get the Orange man though, we'll see. He definitely dipped his toe in the water.
 
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KB5252 said:
The tomahawk cruise missile still being used 40 years after it's service install is pretty crazy....... Still a staple.

I've been a military history buff since my late teens.
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It’s been an incredibly durable weapon.

The nuclear tipped Tomahawk, loaded out on Seawolf-Class fast attack submarines - the ultimate apex predator of the seas.

Up there with the AIM-54 Phoenix Missile paired with the F-14 as two of my favorite weapons platforms of the Cold War.
 
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EasternVol said:
I wouldn't trust them with a butter knife.
How engaged is Iran's leadership in making their end days thing happen?
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I can't answer that, and I don't think I've used the 'death cult' argument for my support of the bombing.

As you and I have previously discussed, for me, it's more a matter of their support for terrorism and constant threats to destroy Israel and (far more importantly) the US. They've made threats. They've sponsored terrorism to give credence to stated desires. If they are close to a nuclear weapon, I'm in favor of setting that pursuit back a decade or so--and would not be against seeing a regime change, hopefully by the Iranian people themselves and not our administration.

I don't think we reached an agreement on the above when we discussed it, and I don't suspect we'd reach agreement with a rehash.

Per your subject on the death cult... If they are a death cult, it's yet another reason not to trust them with a nuke. If there are Christian-Rapture-Death-Cults, then I've made the same argument for them as well. Keep the nukes away from them.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
If they had a nuke and the delivery system and THOUGHT that hitting Tel Aviv would usher in the “13th Imam/ Mahdi”…I think they would do it in a heartbeat. Eschatology is some wild ****.
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What makes you think that? Did they say they want it? Seems like they'd want to hang around since they're in charge and all.
 
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CobbWebb71 said:
I’m not sure what he does? The businessman in him makes me think he does the strategically smart thing and let’s Israel clean up this mess.
The narcissist in him, makes me think this could be the first move toward WW3.
🤷‍♂️
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WW3? Seriously? Trash their oil production and what do they have of any value that anyone would go to war over?

The pearl clutching is strong.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
WW3? Seriously? Trash their oil production and what do they have of any value that anyone would go to war over?

The pearl clutching is strong.
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Hm. The goal right now is to get the boots on the ground. You should know the why. Could it lead to WW3, or more like reset.... sure.

We'll see if the Orange man takes the bait. Everyone there (Israel, Saudi, Iran) wants him to take the bait plus the neocons here.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
WW3? Seriously? Trash their oil production and what do they have of any value that anyone would go to war over?

The pearl clutching is strong.
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How much of China’s oil comes from Iran?
If you don’t think China could get drawn in to this very easily, then I don’t know what to tell you?
This bull$hit in the Middle East has been building for decades and eventually someone is going to make the wrong decision.
And actually you are right, it’s WW4.
WW3 happened in ‘20 when China bioweaponed the entire civilized world.
Don’t think of the next WW as tanks, soldiers, carriers, etc..., the next WW will be fought through the cyber game or with more bio weapons.
This ain’t your Daddys world war anymore.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Hm. The goal right now is to get the boots on the ground. You should know the why. Could it lead to WW3, or more like reset.... sure.

We'll see if the Orange man takes the bait. Everyone there (Israel, Saudi, Iran) wants him to take the bait plus the neocons here.
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Why wouldn’t they? We’ve destroyed and rebuilt every $hit hole in the entire Middle East haven’t we?
 
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