Iran

[Ttucke11]

Revisionist history nonsense. There was a literal attempted coup after the second bomb because many of their leaders still fully opposed surrender.

Kyūjō incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No, it's not. It was 3 days. You don't know what would've happened. I didn't revise anything. Either of us acting like we for certain know what would've happened would be incorrect. That's why I stated my opinion.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Don’t worry.

You’re the drink that stirs the straw on VN

Or something like that

@PEPPERJAX ain't never getting banned. He has a loft of his own in the tiers of cool. Like a top shelf to himself

 

[Vol8188]

No, it's not. It was 3 days. You don't know what would've happened. I didn't revise anything. Either of us acting like we for certain know what would've happened would be incorrect. That's why I stated my opinion.

There was a literal coup attempt to stop the Japanese surrender after the second bomb. Yes, claiming it (not just the second bomb but you literally claimed both were) was unnecessary is revisionist history nonsense

 

[Ttucke11]

There was a literal coup attempt to stop the Japanese surrender after the second bomb. Yes, claiming it was unnecessary is revisionist history nonsense

Ok big tough dog. I know from previous posts you don't mind playing god with an innumerable amount of innocent lives. I however do.

 

[Persian Vol]

This isn’t an Iran thread if we aren’t debating the use of nukes in WW2

 

[Vol8188]

Ok big tough dog. I know from previous posts you don't mind playing god with an innumerable amount of innocent lives. I however do.

Still no comment on the coup? You claimed neither bomb was necessary. Yet after 2 bombs, there was still a coup attempt to prevent surrender.

Just intend on ignoring that because it doesn’t fit your Howard Zinn ignorance?

 

[Ttucke11]

This isn’t an Iran thread if we aren’t debating the use of nukes in WW2

My apologies. I'll stop, just goes to show though that some people truly do not value life at all. 80 years ago or today.

 

[Ttucke11]

Still no comment on the coup? You claimed neither bomb was necessary. Yet after 2 bombs, there was still a coup attempt to prevent surrender.

Just intend on ignoring that because it doesn’t fit your Howard Zinn ignorance?

Ask me elsewhere big tough dog, as pointed out not the thread.

 

[Vol8188]

My apologies. I'll stop, just goes to show though that some people truly do not value life at all. 80 years ago or today.

Lmfao that’s what it is. I’m sure invasion of mainland Japan would have ended with zero loss of life.

 

[tim]

Forgive me for overestimating your reading comprehension skills.

She literally said there was no sign they were trying to rebuild their capabilities currently, so any excavation work at the site, she does not believe contributes to an attempt to rebuild their nuclear weapons capabilities.

If I’m excavating an archaeological site am I trying to rebuild it? You are not a serious person

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

My apologies. I'll stop, just goes to show though that some people truly do not value life at all. 80 years ago or today.

Having a father who served with loyalty and distinction in WWII makes it easy to appreciate the time regardless of the subject matter

 

[Ttucke11]

Lmfao that’s what it is. I’m sure invasion of mainland Japan would have ended with zero loss of life.

Believe it or not, there were other options besides invasion to end the war with an already broken country that didn't involve killing a city's worth of civilians. If another country had ever done what we did we would view them as the scourge of the Earth.

But I'm not sure there's a bomb ever dropped on a civilian by the US you wouldn't defend.

Having a father who served with loyalty and distinction in WWII makes it easy to appreciate the time regardless of the subject matter

Hats off to your father. Questioning his leaders doesn't mean I question his integrity or service. Great appreciation to him for serving his country.

 

[tim]

All the time every time on anything Russia or Iran.

It comes with the tin foil he orders off of Russia Amazon.

 

[Vol8188]

Believe it or not, there were other options besides invasion to end the war with an already broken country that didn't involve killing a city's worth of civilians. If another country had ever done what we did we would view them as the scourge of the Earth.

But I'm not sure there's a bomb ever dropped on a civilian by the US you wouldn't defend.



Hats off to your father. Questioning his leaders doesn't mean I question his integrity or service. Great appreciation to him for serving his country.

Let’s hear your no loss of life ways of ending the war. We will all wait. While you’re at it perhaps you could consider addressing the initial point (coup attempt) that you’ve ignored numerous times in favor of these lame virtue signals.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Believe it or not, there were other options besides invasion to end the war with an already broken country that didn't involve killing a city's worth of civilians. If another country had ever done what we did we would view them as the scourge of the Earth.

But I'm not sure there's a bomb ever dropped on a civilian by the US you wouldn't defend.



Hats off to your father. Questioning his leaders doesn't mean I question his integrity or service. Great appreciation to him for serving his country.

He served in the war from late 1938 until 1945, only going home 1 time. He joined the newly formed Air Force in 1946 after he completed his engineering degree at UT. He was grabbed up in the middle of his freshman year. He completed a degree in electronics engineering at UT in 2 years total time at UT. A couple of the schools he trained at his first 1.5 years in the Army Air Corp transferred to credits at UT after the war. He was literally a genius at Math.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Let’s hear your no loss of life ways of ending the war. We will all wait. While you’re at it perhaps you could consider addressing the initial point (coup attempt) that you’ve ignored numerous times in favor of these lame virtue signals.

Don't go to war unnecessarily takes care of that first request. Recently we did in a chaotic and poorly planned manner for all the wrong reasons

 

[tim]

Don't go to war unnecessarily takes care of that first request. Recently we did in a chaotic and poorly planned manner for all the wrong reasons

Chaotic and poorly planned? It’s probably the most successful operation in history.

 

[Ttucke11]

Let’s hear your no loss of life ways of ending the war. We will all wait. While you’re at it perhaps you could consider addressing the initial point (coup attempt) that you’ve ignored numerous times in favor of these lame virtue signals.

Wow man you got me. Your smoking gun is an unsuccessful coup. Once again, you don't know what would've happened if the second bomb didn't drop. We gave them a full 3 days. Not wanting children to be obliterated on their way to school is virtue signaling? Once again, if any other country ever did this we would hate them. You have a sad, cold heart.

You can continue to ridicule me that's fine, I truly don't give a ****. But I'm not playing coulda woulda shoulda with someone who has such arrogant certainty about everything.

I know from other threads the death of civilians is an easy, acceptable act for you, and the amount is irrelevant. It's all good I don't hate you for it.

 

[NashVol11]

probably the most successful military campaign in history

It’s probably the most successful operation in history.

I wondered what Fox News person said this to have multiple posters repeat it almost word for word, and it turns out they are literally regurgitating Trump's own words. Pathetic

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I wondered what Fox News person said this to have multiple posters repeat it almost word for word, and it turns out they are literally regurgitating Trump's own words. Pathetic

You didnt inherit nearly half a billion. You are an ignorant moron...

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Chaotic and poorly planned? It’s probably the most successful operation in history.

Militarily, I might agree to a certain extent. Your description of it parrots Trump's and Hegseth's description of it. The power and might of our military is impressive. It's the aftermath of it that was poorly planned. Show of force was impressive. Results of it have put the world in a worse position than we were before the preemptive strikes.

 

[Vol8188]

Wow man you got me. Your smoking gun is an unsuccessful coup. Once again, you don't know what would've happened if the second bomb didn't drop. We gave them a full 3 days. Not wanting children to be obliterated on their way to school is virtue signaling? Once again, if any other country ever did this we would hate them. You have a sad, cold heart.

We get it. You’re very virtuous. Every else loves dead kids except for you. Now that we have that out of the way, can you finally address the actual substance of the argument? Why does the coup matter? Why did I bring it up? Rather than dismissing it as an unsuccessful coup and then returning to your nonsense about how great you are.

You can continue to ridicule me that's fine, I truly don't give a ****. But I'm not playing coulda woulda shoulda with someone who has such arrogant certainty about everything.

I know from other threads the death of civilians is an easy, acceptable act for you, and the amount is irrelevant. It's all good I don't hate you for it.

Yes, you’re very good good. Your virtue is beyond measure. Now, can you finally address the argument?

 

[VAVol85]

Lmfao that’s what it is. I’m sure invasion of mainland Japan would have ended with zero loss of life.

Invasion of Okinawa alone cost the lives of 12,000 US soldiers, >100,000 Japanese soldiers and perhaps another 100,000 civilians. The number of lives that would have been lost due to an invasion of the Japanese mainland is hard to imagine.

 

[Ttucke11]

We get it. You’re very virtuous. Every else loves dead kids except for you. Now that we have that out of the way, can you finally address the actual substance of the argument? Why does the coup matter? Why did I bring it up? Rather than dismissing it as an unsuccessful coup and then returning to your nonsense about how great you are.


Yes, you’re very good good. Your virtue is beyond measure. Can you finally address the argument?

Never claimed that I was virtuous. I honestly don't want to discuss anything with you. You're quite a prick.

You want me to address a coup that never happened.....uh. Alright then. The unsuccessful coup that never happened definitely proves your point we should've dropped a second nuke. You got me bro. Argument won. Im thrilled for you

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Invasion of Okinawa alone cost the lives of 12,000 US soldiers, >100,000 Japanese soldiers and perhaps another 100,000 civilians. The number of lives that would have been lost due to an invasion of the Japanese mainland is hard to imagine.

I lived in Okinawa for a little over a year. From 8 months to 1.5 years. From Westover to Okinawa back to Westover. Dad retired a couple of years later and we came South to Arnold, where he worked as a civilian helping to develop the ICBMs in the late 1960s