Iran

[VAVol85]

Unfortunately, several Iranian leaders have suffered “internet deaths” without actually dying. The list includes some guys the world could definitely do without like Ejei and Vahidi. But we can hope that eventually karma catches up.

 

[Vol737]

Military spending is out of control and spending more on it won't make our military more effective. You don't throw money after bad investments once they turn out to be obviously bad.

I mean FFS, we can't even build the missiles we're using right now at a decent clip, despite billions in "investment" (read: unreasonably lining the pockets of officers, politicians, lobbyists, and contractors).

$200B should do the trick, shouldn't it?

 

[Smokey123]

Evidently it is touchy subject or there wouldn’t be 780 pages in a thread with differing opinions about it.
And no I’ve never felt threatened by Iran or Iranians.
What happened to complaints about people only caring about themselves and not about others. Iranian citizens and Iranian American citizens matter whether you think they should or not.

America isn’t police of the world. We need to worry less about foreign affairs when our country is crumbling

They absolutely matter. Bombing a children’s school, a desalination plant, destroying their infrastructure, destroying their air, etc all while not even removing the Islamic Republic is not caring for the Iranian people

 

[MAD]

Unfortunately, several Iranian leaders have suffered “internet deaths” without actually dying. The list includes some guys the world could definitely do without like Ejei and Vahidi. But we can hope that eventually karma catches up.

Their elimination coming soon, I’d also add Araghchi to that list.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Smokey123]

wait but I thought it was 99.9% destroyed

 

[swampfoxfan]

This war will only end when the rich folks say so. The same people who profit from providing weapons are the same people who profit from reconstruction. When this one ends the bomb then build crowd will demand a new war.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Tanker Ships Must Pay Iran’s Revolutionary Guards a Toll in Chinese Yaun or Crypto Before they can Pass Strait of Hormuz: Report​

Ships attempting to pass through the Strait of Hormuz will need secret codes and to pay up to $2 million in Chinese yuan or cryptocurrencies to avoid being attacked by Iran, according to a new report.

After Iran’s lawmakers approved a bill to impose fees on the safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz this week, new guidelines have been set for tankers and cargo ships to buy their way through with a company linked to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, sources familiar with the deal told Bloomberg.

Once the IRGC has the ship’s files on hand, the vessel would need to fly the flag of a non-enemy nation and transmit a secret, high frequency code to alert the Iranian navy so that it may guide the ship through the strait.


Iran controls passage through the Strait of Hormuz, attacking ships that attempt to pass without its permission.

Tanker ships must pay Iran’s Revolutionary Guards a toll in Chinese yaun or crypto before they can pass Strait of Hormuz: report

Ships attempting to pass through the Strait of Hormuz will need secret codes and to pay up to $2 million in Chinese yuan or cryptocurrencies to avoid being attacked by Iran, according to a new repo…

nypost.com

 

[Persian Vol]

Iran has clear leverage over the strait, their missile and drone arsenal is still intact, there is nothing stopping them from expediting production for a nuclear weapon, and their new leaders are likely more radical than the previous.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Iran's Tallest Bridge Collapses After Reported US Airstrikes; Iran Threatens American Allies in retaliation​

Iran's IRGC reportedly identified bridges in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Abu Dhabi as potential targets​

By Bonny Chu Fox News

Iran’s biggest bridge near Tehran has crashed down in a stunning scene captured on camera following reports of U.S. airstrikes, President Donald Trump announced Thursday, as he pressed the regime to make a deal before tensions escalate further.

The B1 highway bridge, a key link between Iran’s capital and the western city of Karaj, is considered the tallest in the Middle East and was only inaugurated earlier this year.

Iranian state TV reportedly warned of potential retaliation, claiming the state's military has identified multiple bridges in American-allied Middle East nations as targets, according to Iran International.

Trump posted a video on social media capturing a massive plume of smoke and debris after the bridge’s apparent collapse.

The strike on the bridge was aimed at cutting drone and missile supply lines to Iranian firing units targeting U.S. and Israeli forces, Middle East outlet i24NEWS reported, citing sources.

Iran's tallest bridge collapses after reported US airstrikes, Iran threatens American allies in retaliation

Iran's biggest bridge near Tehran crashes down following reported U.S. airstrikes as Trump presses the regime to make a deal before escalation.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

Iran's Tallest Bridge Collapses After Reported US Airstrikes; Iran Threatens American Allies in retaliation​

Iran's IRGC reportedly identified bridges in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Abu Dhabi as potential targets​

By Bonny Chu Fox News

Iran’s biggest bridge near Tehran has crashed down in a stunning scene captured on camera following reports of U.S. airstrikes, President Donald Trump announced Thursday, as he pressed the regime to make a deal before tensions escalate further.

The B1 highway bridge, a key link between Iran’s capital and the western city of Karaj, is considered the tallest in the Middle East and was only inaugurated earlier this year.

Iranian state TV reportedly warned of potential retaliation, claiming the state's military has identified multiple bridges in American-allied Middle East nations as targets, according to Iran International.

Trump posted a video on social media capturing a massive plume of smoke and debris after the bridge’s apparent collapse.

The strike on the bridge was aimed at cutting drone and missile supply lines to Iranian firing units targeting U.S. and Israeli forces, Middle East outlet i24NEWS reported, citing sources.

Iran's tallest bridge collapses after reported US airstrikes, Iran threatens American allies in retaliation

Iran's biggest bridge near Tehran crashes down following reported U.S. airstrikes as Trump presses the regime to make a deal before escalation.

www.foxnews.com

Tough **** bridge had to go down so we can protect the Iranian people. Schools, medical buildings etc, gotta go. For the people like they said

 

[Carl Pickens]

Don’t mess with the Jews

 

[EasternVol]

Is that why the German Army was surrendering in mass during the spring of 1945?

They surrendered because their military had been defeated on every front.

 

[EasternVol]

Has anyone even considered just installing some Democrat governors and mayors in Iran and letting the country destroy itself?

Starting a MIGA chapter there would be faster.

 

[EasternVol]

The key to opening the Strait is China. 40% of their oil comes through it. But my guess is they are really enjoying watching us trip over our own dick

Iran's been giving passes to ships of states they deem non-hostile. PRC's probably on the list. I'm sure they're enjoying the show too. But it may all end shortly. Will Iran sabo their facilities on Kharg if we move to take it?

 

[BeardedVol]

Rehashing boomer bait from 2023; you're on a roll today.

 

[EasternVol]

Hirohito's capitulation was contingent on retaining his crown. He's on record as stating he would have allowed the war to continue without that guarantee. His PM, Hideki Tojo, was about the only member of the cabinet wanting to continue the fight with the U.S. The other war ministers accepted defeat was inevitable. They wanted a conditional surrender where they kept Manchuria. They held no notion of retaining much of anything else.

The battle of Berlin would have made Stalingrad look like a minor skirmish had most the Wehrmacht and half the SS not folded. Even Himmler tried to cut a deal when he realized how far the Allies were willing to go.

You and @McDad are correct. Total war works for the winning side. Unfortunately at the cost of civilian casualties, the winning side has to demonstrated their willingness to follow through.

Both surrendered because they were defeated militarily, not because their populations were demoralized. That war crime crap's not effective strategy.

 

[NashVol11]

 

[LouderVol]

Hirohito's capitulation was contingent on retaining his crown. He's on record as stating he would have allowed the war to continue without that guarantee. His PM, Hideki Tojo, was about the only member of the cabinet wanting to continue the fight with the U.S. The other war ministers accepted defeat was inevitable. They wanted a conditional surrender where they kept Manchuria. They held no notion of retaining much of anything else.

The battle of Berlin would have made Stalingrad look like a minor skirmish had most the Wehrmacht and half the SS not folded. Even Himmler tried to cut a deal when he realized how far the Allies were willing to go.

You and @McDad are correct. Total war works for the winning side. Unfortunately at the cost of civilian casualties, the winning side has to demonstrated their willingness to follow through.

I think it would have looked a lot different had the remaining Germans actually been equipped. most of the surrenders were literally because they literally couldn't fight anymore. no guns, ammo, no fuel for vehicles, no medical supplies, no support, heck most didn't even have food.

there is a difference in having the will to fight in a fight where you are at least nominally able to fight back. its a completely different thing when you are no better equipped than the unarmed populace you are supposed to be defending.

 

[LouderVol]

Both surrendered because they were defeated militarily, not because their populations were demoralized. That war crime crap's not effective strategy.

most of Japan's army was stuck in China with no way to pull out. by that point they had also lost most of the territory they had for materials, and little to no way to get what they still had back to Japan. The American submarine effort in the Pacific goes largely uncredited for their oversized role in the win.

 

[NashVol11]

But Wiles, according to two White House sources, was concerned aides were giving the President a rose-colored view of how the war was being perceived domestically, telling Trump what he wanted to hear instead of what he needed to hear.

The mounting political and economic toll has left him looking for an off-ramp, according to two advisers and two members of Congress who have spoken to him during the last week. Trump told them he wants to wind down the campaign, wary of a protracted conflict that could hobble Republicans heading into the midterms. At the same time, he wants the operation to be a decisive success. Allies say he is searching for a way to declare victory, halt the fighting, and hope that economic conditions stabilize before the political damage hardens.

And yet behind the bluster has been a growing recognition within the West Wing that the situation may be slipping out of its control. Key Trump officials, including Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, were surprised by the barrage of retaliatory attacks Tehran launched against U.S. and Israeli targets across the region, including in countries long assumed to be off-limits: Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar, a state that had both harbored Iran’s terrorist proxies and served as a conduit for backchannel diplomacy between the U.S. and Hamas. The response shattered the assumption that Tehran would confine itself to performative retaliation. In internal deliberations before the war’s launch, Hegseth had pointed to Iran's muted reaction to Trump’s past attacks as evidence that calibrated force could impose costs on Tehran without triggering a broader war. Hegseth “was caught off guard. There’s no question,” says a person familiar with his thinking.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a champion of military aggression against Iran, had a different idea of how things might go. Over the last six months, Netanyahu repeatedly told Trump that the past successes against Iran should serve as a prelude for a more sustained, final campaign, an Israeli official tells TIME. On Feb. 11, Netanyahu came to Washington for a private meeting with the President that stretched for hours. “We’ve come this far, Donald,” Netanyahu told Trump, according to a source present. “We have to finish what we started.”

Inside Trump's Search for a Way Out of the Iran War

Facing political backlash, global economic shock, and the looming midterms, the President still doesn't want to get out of Iran without declaring victory.

time.com

 

[Smokey123]

 

[Ritzwatch]

No bueno.

If that’s legit, and we have a pilot down, I sure hope our S&R teams can do their work!

 

[jvol1]

The US military is in danger of running out of 20mm

The article was more about the gun having a 30 minute cool down to reload after firing 30 1 second burst, meaning that sending 31 drones against one could take it out. It also touched on the fact that not every 1 second burst was bringing down a drone.

But worrying about the supply chain half across the world is wise. Just getting ammo to the guns could become difficult in a war as poorly planned and executed as this one.