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allstar34 said:
Mr. Gator, 1% of American’s own over 50% of the stock market.

30% of American’s don’t even have $1,000 in savings.

Like Pammi B, and her DOW obsession; I think the 10% drop is irrelevant to most. Gas is up $1.30 and soon that will be affecting the cost of everything else.
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It matters to the money, and that's all that matters in politics.
 
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NashVol11 said:
That exchange had nothing to do with Israel. It was a question about the intel he had seen, which could have come from any reporter at any network.
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But it didn't. It came from Tucker Carlson, who, if you have kept up over the last few weeks, has an agenda he is pushing. Some of what he elicits may be true. Some may not. That is the problem with being a hack. Noone takes your reporting at its word.
NashVol11 said:
I don't care whether you give him credibility or not, but "Tucker Carlson asked the (very generic) question" is a bad reason to discredit it.
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It is actually a very, very good reason to discredit it. As an example, a very wise poster here has been skeptical of other news sources, specifically relating to poll numbers, because of the news source which reported it:
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Imagine the non-Fox News numbers

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You would agree that saying, oh,
"Tucker Carlson FOX NEWS asked reporting results of the a (very generic) question poll" is a bad reason to discredit it.
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would be absurd, would you not? I mean, the fact that it is Fox asking the question is exactly the reason to discredit it. Same applies to Tucker's questions.

Feel free to change my mind.

NashVol11 said:
You should consider taking the same skeptical approach to the smear campaign that immediately followed his resignation rather than uncritically repeating it
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Uh, you did see where I said "reportedly", right? that is because I take all of it with grain of salt. Even the stuff I agree with. Try it sometime. It is quite empowering.

Now: Back to the question you ignored, which was based on your premise that the guy making the statements is credible because he was the "former director of the National Counterterrorism Center", do you automatically assign credibility to the statements of the President, AG or FBI Director because of the positions they occupy?
 
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allstar34 said:
I’m saying, if you want to see a MAGA movement that seeks an end to this; stocks aren’t the main factor for a majority of them.
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Probably right. Then again, I don't think Trump actually cares or even respects what the MAGA base thinks. For him, they are useful idiots, their value is limited in the end to feeding his ego. And if they do that, what they want matters not.
 
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Israel finally speaks the unspoken truth...

I wonder if Donnie and Bibi are headed towards splitsville. Something's gotta give here eventually unless Israel is gonna drag us into a ground war.

And oh BTW MAGA clowns, read what Israel says:

"You can do a lot of things from the air, and we’re doing [them,] but ... there has to be a ground component as well.”

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday said “Iran is being decimated” as the U.S. and Israel target its ballistic missile and nuclear programs from the air — but he added that meaningful regime change will require a “ground component.”

“You don’t want to replace one ayatollah with another,” Netanyahu said at a press conference. “You don’t want to replace Hitler with Hitler.”

He said that the Iranian people must ultimately “rise to the moment.”

“We can create the conditions, but they have to, you know, they have to exploit those conditions at a certain point,” he said.

A revolution cannot come “only from the air,” he went on. “You can do a lot of things from the air, and we’re doing [them,] but ... there has to be a ground component as well.”

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rikberry31 said:
And you ask me wtf I'm talking about? Those two really tall building just fell down one day, right? Or some people did something? Iran is no threat? They are the biggest problem in Mid East, the only real problem and the Mid East is a major U.S. interest.
I don't' suppose you would be concerned if Iran got set up with nuclear capability and ICBM technology and started raining multiple warhead weapons on us. And don't tell me they wouldn't use them because they know they would be destroyed, they are currently proving that they don't give a f.
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lawgator1 said:
Probably right. Then again, I don't think Trump actually cares or even respects what the MAGA base thinks. For him, they are useful idiots, their value is limited in the end to feeding his ego. And if they do that, what they want matters not.
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Unfortunately, it seems like you are correct. He gave them false hope on several occasions and has rarely followed through with any of his promises.

I felt that the Rep. Party had a strong chance to really take a lead with the youth and swing some of the momentum towards their side. With a struggling society of young adults, I think this mess will push them more towards the socialist democrats. I believe the democrats will heavily use AI and Fear to try and win the next election. Pitch the utopia of a UBI and swing alot of votes. Even though the possibility of a UBI that will actually allow a human to exist isn’t realistic…
 
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General Jack said:

"Now, more than two weeks into the campaign, some of those allies believe the president no longer controls how, or when, the war ends. They fear Iran’s attacks on oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, which have rattled global crude markets and threaten broader economic distress, are boxing Trump into a situation where escalating the conflict — potentially even putting American boots on the ground — becomes the only way to credibly claim victory.

“We clearly just kicked [Iran’s] ass in the field, but, to a large extent, they hold the cards now,” said one person close to the White House, who like others in this story was granted anonymity to speak candidly about the war. “They decide how long we’re involved — and they decide if we put boots on the ground. And it doesn’t seem to me that there’s a way around that, if we want to save face.”

The concern among some Trump allies is that ensuring the free flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz could require securing parts of Iran’s shoreline, a step that would almost certainly mean putting American troops on Iranian soil.

“The terms have changed,” said a second person familiar with the U.S. operation in Iran. “The off-ramps don’t work anymore because Iran is driving the asymmetric action.”

The dynamic is fueling anxiety among the president’s “America First” allies, who worry he is drifting toward the kind of open-ended Middle East conflict he has long railed against. With Iran able to disrupt global oil supplies and drive up gas prices at the pump, some Republicans fear the conflict could soon become a political liability for a White House already grappling with voter frustration over affordability ahead of the midterm elections.
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It's TACO time baby!

Seriously. Do it Donald.

Step up, be a man, admit you ****ed up, and just retreat.
 
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CobbVol said:
Again ...

"The conflict is geopolitical against the world's largest sponsor and financer of terrorism, whose terrorist activities are driven by their religious extremist leaders."
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And they're not doing what they're doing in that respect because of religion. They're playing a regional version of the Great Game.
 
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