Iran

[ButchPlz]

Absolutely

Hit me up with them sources.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Hit me up with them sources.

ESV.org

www.esv.org

 

[ButchPlz]

ESV.org

www.esv.org

I'm stupid. Give me the verses.

 

[Ashevolle]

Not sure where the Israeli military ranks world-wide, but I think they're capable of dealing with Iran without us.

Without our direct involvement or without their exorbitant allowance of US tax payer dollars and munitions?

 

[ButchPlz]

Without our direct involvement or without their exorbitant allowance of US tax payer dollars and munitions?

Look, man, their god (lowercase on purpose because who the heck knows what they're worshipping) says we have to pay for everything for them. They get to decide to sacrifice you and your family and your well-being because they're The Chosen Clan!

 

[McDad]

Without our direct involvement or without their exorbitant allowance of US tax payer dollars and munitions?

It doesn't matter in the assessment of their current capability.

We have a "no-take-backsies" with Israel for our arms and munitions.

 

[Smokey123]

Not sure where the Israeli military ranks world-wide, but I think they're capable of dealing with Iran without us.

They’re certainly capable of doing what just happened all on their own. They could probably flatten Iran if they tried but if they did it by ground it’d be hard just based off personnel

 

[adam.vol]

Not for an all out war

They have elite intelligence, IAF and special forces tho

I agree. Israel is a terrorist organization and not a government. They would not exist without outside funding among other welfare, even after 70 years.

Our national deficit may as well be Israel’s bar tab since it isn’t for our benefit.

 

[utvolpj]

There should have been a strategy for this well before starting a war

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There was no strategy because we were still negotiating and didn't realize Israel would force our hand.

Although you'd think we'd have war plans for Iran already

 

[BeardedVol]

Absolutely

John Nelson Darby called on my Ouija Board, wants to let you know that dispensational premillennialism isn't a teaching espoused by Jesus or his disciples in the bible, he made that all up in the 1800s.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I guess we should face the reality that real estate developers don't make the best nuclear proliferation negotiators. I do understand that it's difficult for some to accept though.

You would rather have „negotiators“ like Obama and Biden?
We give Iran several billion dollars of taxpayer money and get absolutely nothing in return?????

 

[OrangeTsar]

John Nelson Darby called on my Ouija Board, wants to let you know that dispensational premillennialism isn't a teaching espoused by Jesus or his disciples in the bible, he made that all up in the 1800s.

John the APOSTLE wrote the book of Revelation. Now people can and do argue over how literally to interpret said book. But the indication is pretty solid that a battle will occur at a place called Armageddon when the nations of the world combine forces in a doomed attempt to destroy Israel.
And of course there is always Ezekiel 37. Can these dry bones live again?

 

[hndog609]

I don't worship Israel, I just recognize that they have the world's 2nd best military.

I think it's just scale. A no BS war isn't a duel/joust and sides don't square up equally and play "who is better" in some kind of per capita "best fighter per pound" kinda way. In that context Israel is quite legit in equipment, training and urgency in motivation. In the context of us wanting to really take them out there's basically nothing they could do with our numbers.

 

[BeardedVol]

You would rather have „negotiators“ like Obama and Biden?
We give Iran several billion dollars of taxpayer money and get absolutely nothing in return?????

You've really gotta stop consuming so much Facebook content, you're going to end up like @W.TN.Orange Blood.

 

[adam.vol]

You would rather have „negotiators“ like Obama and Biden?
We give Iran several billion dollars of taxpayer money and get absolutely nothing in return?????

Go ahead. Replace “negotiators” with “pawns” and name some Middle Eastern countries we haven’t given billions to.

 

[utvolpj]

You would rather have „negotiators“ like Obama and Biden?
We give Iran several billion dollars of taxpayer money and get absolutely nothing in return?????

You misrepresent the money to Iran

We also weren't at war with Iran under Obama or Biden

 

[hog88]

John the APOSTLE wrote the book of Revelation. Now people can and do argue over how literally to interpret said book. But the indication is pretty solid that a battle will occur at a place called Armageddon when the nations of the world combine forces in a doomed attempt to destroy Israel.
And of course there is always Ezekiel 37. Can these dry bones live again?

John of Patmos

John the Apostle was long dead.

 

[McDad]

The Israel boogey man trope is crazy. I think every administration has made the decision Israel is a strategic asset for the region. In fact, it may be one of only a handful of things R and D admins have agreed upon. Israel isn't controlling us with their 'joo magic'.

I'd prefer to let Israel stand on their own two feet especially since we cannot manage our spending. But there aren't enough people who feel that way for it to be politically viable.

 

[OrangeTsar]

You misrepresent the money to Iran

We also weren't at war with Iran under Obama or Biden

What exactly am I misrepresenting? There are pictures. This isn’t Monopoly money on that pallet.

 

[OrangeTsar]

John of Patmos

John the Apostle was long dead.

John of Patmos?

 

[BeardedVol]

John the APOSTLE wrote the book of Revelation. Now people can and do argue over how literally to interpret said book. But the indication is pretty solid that a battle will occur at a place called Armageddon when the nations of the world combine forces in a doomed attempt to destroy Israel.
And of course there is always Ezekiel 37. Can these dry bones live again?

The book of Revelation was about the early church. Early Christians were convinced that Jesus' return was imminent in the beginning.

It wasn't until the 1800s that Darby started promoting futurism as an interpretation of Revelation, and created the idea of the rapture, and god's plan for Israel etc.

In the last 200 years those beliefs have been wholly adopted by the vast majority of evangelical denominations, but their origins are not in the bible itself.

It would be funny that Israel uses yours and other's belief in those anti-biblical teachings to get you to support their actions, it those actions weren't so often detrimental to the interests of your own country.

 

[Persian Vol]

And he also seriously underestimates the power of the God who protects Israel.
The Bible is pretty clear that once God gathers the scattered Jewish diaspora back to the land, no one will ever dislodge them again.

No words.

 

[FLVOL_79]

John the APOSTLE wrote the book of Revelation. Now people can and do argue over how literally to interpret said book. But the indication is pretty solid that a battle will occur at a place called Armageddon when the nations of the world combine forces in a doomed attempt to destroy Israel.
And of course there is always Ezekiel 37. Can these dry bones live again?

Fan fic bro. Fan fic.

 

[OrangeTsar]

No words.

Indeed.
There is only THE WORD
John 1:1

 

[ButchPlz]

John the APOSTLE wrote the book of Revelation. Now people can and do argue over how literally to interpret said book. But the indication is pretty solid that a battle will occur at a place called Armageddon when the nations of the world combine forces in a doomed attempt to destroy Israel.
And of course there is always Ezekiel 37. Can these dry bones live again?

I asked you for some specific verses. Especially- since in theory alone you are a Christian- the actual New Testament preaching of Jesus and what you'll find in the various letters.

Since you believe the earliest Christian tradition that John the Apostle was the author of Revelation, it's not really logical to hold a dispensationalist interpretation of Revelation. Have you read commentaries on Revelation that are not modern?