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NashVol11 said:
If someone really believes that Iran has been weeks away from nukes the roughly 700 times it has been claimed over 40 years now, and that we just narrowly escaped every single time, they are gullible beyond help. Not sure what other response you would be looking for
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Word salad reword of the same bad logic. It's an argument from personal incredulity, which is basically no better than the last "I think" statement that you made. You are free to think anything you like.

The problem is that you'll need to either give facts to refute the argument or admit that it's beyond your capability to speak to with any force whatsoever. And if it was a response to the same tired "Iran has supposedly been close for decades, so we shouldn't believe they were close this time" argument, then your smarmy "isn't that cute" BS spreads thin and merely paints you as someone with nothing better than smarm on offer.
 
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volbound1700 said:
and Saudi Arabia. Don't underestimate how much Saudi Arabia is pushing USA and Israel into these actions. The Houthis were the enemies of the Saudis.
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Yes, KSA and Iran are big rivals representing the Sunni and Shia split. But I don't know if KSA is pushing USA and Israel in this spat. They've condemned the Israeli aggression but that may be for domestic consumption.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Word salad reword of the same bad logic. It's an argument from personal incredulity, which is basically no better than the last "I think" statement that you made. You are free to think anything you like.

The problem is that you'll need to either give facts to refute the argument or admit that it's beyond your capability to speak to with any force whatsoever. And if it was a response to the same tired "Iran has supposedly been close for decades, so we shouldn't believe they were close this time" argument, then your smarmy "isn't that cute" BS spreads thin and merely paints you as someone with nothing better than smarm o offer.
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Nope, we would need facts to support the argument that Iran has been "weeks away" going back to 1984 and that we have engaged in operations to stop them every single time, and we don't have those. Seems you have even less to offer
 
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This much hoopla about Iran bombing the base in Qatar with all the evacuation taking place makes me think this another situation in which they warn America and attack symbolically without significant casualties.

Hope I’m not wrong.
 
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Persian Vol said:
This much hoopla about Iran bombing the base in Qatar with all the evacuation taking place makes me think this another situation in which they warn America and attack symbolically without significant casualties.

Hope I’m not wrong.
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Everyone there wants the boots on the ground, at this point Israel, Iran, Saudi, CIA, Neocons, etc. should be working together to get what they want.

Will the Orange bastard keep taking the bait?🤷‍♂️
 
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EasternVol said:
Yeah but you're an open minded progressive. Some other people judge others based on origin, race, religion or other traits.
Lincoln was the one who invaded in case you missed it.
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I have no words.

I don't hate Yankees. I just want them to leave my neighborhood and go home after they have spent all their money
 
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EasternVol said:
Yes, KSA and Iran are big rivals representing the Sunni and Shia split. But I don't know if KSA is pushing USA and Israel in this spat. They've condemned the Israeli aggression but that may be for domestic consumption.
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I don't know this for fact but based on their past rhetoric the statement was likely for domestic and neighbor consumption. Meanwhile they quietly approve and even assist under the table.

As do many of Iran's neighbors I believe. While Israel isn't a favorite they know the hiccup with Israel being a solid neighbor/business partner has been due to Iranian/proxy issues.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Nope, we would need facts to support the argument that Iran has been "weeks away" going back to 1984 and we don't have those. Seems you have even less to offer
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You're missing the point.

Unless you are making the positive claim that they weren't close. The problem you have is that you are criticizing the attacks as unneeded. Others are defending it as needed. Both sides should pretty much admit that they are arguing from ignorance and stop being so caustically certain and condescending on the matter.

If folks want to debate, then bring facts and cogent. informed arguments. If ya'll just want a platform to be condescending ***holes, blanketed behind anonymity, then it informs as to who you really are, whomever you really are in the privacy of your anonymity.

It's not... erm... "adorable".
 
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volbound1700 said:
We were and weren't designed to be a Christian nation. It is the common legal debate. If you go off side writings from the Framers, yes we probably should be more of a Christian nation. If you go off what is literally in writing with the Constitution and Laws, we don't have much to go off of as a Christian nation. I do think a lot of it was differed to the States but the States were neutered by the 14th Amendment and specifically how the Supreme Court has interpreted the 14th Amendment.

That being said, the Founders lived in a time were religion and state were more common as they were closer to the Medieval view point of Christendom than we are today. We have been through 200 years of further enlightenment. People forget that the Western mindset comes out of Christian Europe and you take a look at, let's say, 1500s Europe, you will see a very different approach and mindset around Christianity versus our modern take. I am not going to give an opinion on whether it was good or not. The Founders had the religious turmoil of the 1500 and 1600s with the Protestant reformation, 60 years war, the Anglican persecution of Puritans, Quakers, etc., Bloody Mary and the push to make England Catholic again, etc. on their mind when they wrote our Constitution.

Keep in mind that our nation was born off a culture that once thought the King was divinely appointed by God and that turning your back on Christianity and following a different faith (and in many cases turning your back on the Catholic Church, not just Christianity) was tantamount to treason.
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Very well said, BUT lots of modern govts tie religion into their country legally and with great success. As I said, we'd need a bit of amendment to the Constitution to get there, but America lacks the religious base to get there.

For all of the "This is a Christian nation" talk, there's not much effort by lots of Congress members who get elected as being intensely Christian to actually MAKE us a Christian nation.

It's largely rhetoric to get elected. One could easily argue it's taking the Lord's spirit, if not His name, in vain. See Ananais and Sapphira.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You're missing the point.

Unless you are making the positive claim that they weren't close. The problem you have is that you are criticizing the attacks as unneeded. Others are defending it as needed. Both sides should pretty much admit that they are arguing from ignorance and stop being so caustically certain and condescending on the matter.

If folks want to debate, then bring facts and cogent. informed arguments. If ya'll just want a platform to be condescending ***holes, blanketed behind anonymity, then it informs as to who you really are, whomever you really are in the privacy of your anonymity.

It's not... erm... "adorable".
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You miss the "duh" and mischaracterizing my position? Can you only read posts in one direction? If so, spare me the holier-than-thou BS
OrangeTsar said:
Which merely means that the correct actions have been taken to prevent it from happening. Duh.
It’s like when you doctor says if you don’t change your diet, you are weeks away from a heart attack. You follow your doctor’s advice for 40 years and are still alive. But then you make fun of your doctor for being “wrong”
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Jackcrevol said:
Inability to comprehend satire & sarcasm, clapping when talking about protecting Wasps, and absolutely zero empathy.

Yup, must be a an alt righter.
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Actually, I thought what you posted was ridiculous stupid. I played along with a Preach on brother. You replied by trying to teach me about satire and sarcasm. 😂

I believe 100% in gay rights but against those rights when they affect other people’s rights. Empathy is a new code word that liberals use to describe how they are emotionally weak
 
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Hearing imminent threat against bases in Qatar.

Sounds like a heads up has been given. If the response is to be mostly symbolic then we should take it and stay out of it.

Also pressure Israel to wrap up it's operations.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Very well said, BUT lots of modern govts tie religion into their country legally and with great success. As I said, we'd need a bit of amendment to the Constitution to get there, but America lacks the religious base to get there.

For all of the "This is a Christian nation" talk, there's not much effort by lots of Congress members who get elected as being intensely Christian to actually MAKE us a Christian nation.

It's largely rhetoric to get elected. One could easily argue it's taking the Lord's spirit, if not His name, in vain. See Ananais and Sapphira.
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We are NOT setup to be Christian, though. To pursue it, at least at Federal level, would be unconstitutional. Now state is a different situation. Massachusetts joined the nation with an official church religion, Congressionalist (formerly Puritan), and I think Maryland was in the same boat with Catholicism.

States were originally given significant autonomy, especially on domestic issues. This has slowly been eroded away ever since the Civil War.

A basic way to explain the setup in a modern take. Tennessee itself could have identified itself as a Baptist state which means it could require all sessions to open with a Baptist orient prayers and teach Baptist doctrine in their public schools. However, it could not tell Kentucky, Alabama, etc. to do this or have any authority over those states. That is at least how I read the original setup. Now Tennessee is governed by its own Constitution which makes it a secular state.
 
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volbound1700 said:
One repercussion is what happens when the Iranian faction is weakened to the point that the power balance is gone. Iran has been a major threat in the area to peace but if the Saudi/Sunni faction takes over, how will they play in the Middle East? It could be a good thing or it could be a bad thing.
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