Iran

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I agree in part
I’ve always said the classic liberal sees things as they are. The self proclaimed liberal of today sees things as they should be (according to their non standardized definition)

It's all us vs them.

For a good part of the late 20th century, the "us" was in the liberalization of society (hair on men, women's dress, etc, etc) and the "them" were those seen as uptight about accepting trivial differences in dress, etc. The left managed to spin that into politics as a "moral issue" of individual rights successfully.

The right spun it back with the use of scripture, largely, to combat morally distasteful trends and appeal deeply to the, no disrespect meant, "God isn't pleased with this" primal views of most Americans. It has worked very well.

If it gets "too rigid" to many Americans again and we'll see the pendulum swing back to the left and toward "individual rights" which are less spiritually bound.

The key in politics is to catch the wave of sentiment. Clinton did it well. Trump is the best I've ever seen.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[rekinhavoc]

 

[tbh]

I'm personally stuck on double D's.

Could this be an omen that one of your more popular (and voluptuous) avatar images will be making its triumphant return at some point in the near future?

 

[rekinhavoc]

Army Radio: Israel Believes War Winding Down; IDF Hitting Regime Targets

A report on Israel's Army Radio suggested the war with Iran is ending, therefore the IDF is striking institutions of the Iranian regime.

www.breitbart.com

"An analyst on Army Radio said Israel is likely working to destabilize the Iranian regime in the belief that the war is winding down, so that when Israel’s attacks stop, the Iranian opposition has a chance to rise up."

 

[McDad]

This is an absolutely wild response and a false dichotomy.

You are right that we don't need to be policing Iran in the first place.

But we didn't say, "We don't care about any of this, we are minding our business, we're gonna be more isolationist." and then withdrew from the agreement. Isolationism was never part of the equation and it's astounding to see someone blame that as the issue.

We didn't just withdraw from a deal and mind our business. We put harsh sanctions on them. We treated them like an enemy. We were no longer agreeing to the peaceful terms of our agreement that made them feel like they didn't need to be enriching uranium. The whole reason we pulled out is that Trump said "It wasn't working." But it was, as my post perfectly illustrates. I'm calling out incompetence, and you are doing anything you can to find reasons to defend it. He was wrong. 100% completely wrong, and I called it out 6 years ago. I was right then. I can't believe anybody would still argue that today, but here you are.

We DO want to be the world's police, so we shouldn't withdraw from deals that are working if the result of pulling from the deal is "We gotta bomb them now because we broke the deal."

You are playing defense for the worst admin of all time.

Were you pro or con of America getting out of the agreement?

 

[LSU-SIU]

So you think the Saudis are controlling Trump.

mmmmmmkay

Control is probably not the word I would use. All of them including Iran are baiting him to send Pew Pews on the ground. Unfortunately, the Orange man is putting Americans at further risk of being targeted by everyone at this point including the CIA to attempt to escalate further. (rinse and repeat)

 

[McDad]

They just need a reason to whine

We certainly have a lot of whiners with an infinite numbers of things to whine about.

I am perfectly fine with letting that region of the world destroying itself if the only thing defusing the dynamite is America.

 

[n_huffhines]

Were you pro or con of America getting out of the agreement?

I was against breaking deals we made.

And to reiterate, you used an incident where we were trying to control more as an argument against isolationism. You held my feet over coals because I shared a screenshot of something I thought was funny but was a partial truth (which I immediately admitted). You literally just tried to twist an event into something it was not, and I'm not going to freak out at you about it, or call it "outright lies."

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[volbound1700]

That’s the dirty little secret. The Saudis are loving this, the Jordanians are loving this, the Pakistanis are letting us use their airspace for intelligence gathering, $hit even the Taliban has had combat engagements with the Iranians in the past few years, but poor little Iran is being bullied. Their only friends are the Houthis, Hamas and a bunch of other $hitty terrorist organizations. What a time to be alive.

One repercussion is what happens when the Iranian faction is weakened to the point that the power balance is gone. Iran has been a major threat in the area to peace but if the Saudi/Sunni faction takes over, how will they play in the Middle East? It could be a good thing or it could be a bad thing.

 

[McDad]

I was against breaking deals we made.

And to reiterate, you used an incident where we were trying to control more as an argument against isolationism. You held my feet over coals because I shared a screenshot of something I thought was funny but was a partial truth. You literally just tried to twist an event into something it was not, and I'm not going to freak out at you about it, or call it "outright lies."

At some point you've got to ask yourself how committed to the concept of "no more world police" are you. Because here's the really bad news, we have agreements (good and bad) all across the world. And unfortunately many time sour "good" agreement with country A is our bad "agreement" for country B.

 

[Firebirdparts]

You know, it is interesting that Iran was in our lifetimes actually great. I know the CIA sometimes does dumb things, but I don't know that the Shah regime was all that bad or for what reasons. I just know at the time, Iran had a powerful military. The stupid revolutionary government carried out a lot of purges which brought it down to Iraq's level. Interesting conflict, and sadly, I think everybody else everywhere was thinking this will be geopolitically good if they just fight each other.

 

[NashVol11]

That’s because you refuse to look at the people who attacked a music festival and parade nude dead women bleeding from her ass as a war trophy, with a critical eye. The one you use to accuse the Israelis .

If you want innocent people not to die then condemn those who started this war on 10/7 (quit making excuses for that action) and who hide behind their women and children.
Maybe they should also stop murdering their own people for protesting and trying to get food. (Ya, they tried to blame it on Israel too. The truth comes out and the accusations just move on to the next Bs accusation. )

Israel isn’t perfect and I’d do a lot of things differently but there’s no doubt who has handled this situation better.

Shooting 335 rounds at a 6-year-old civilian and blowing up hospitals isn't any more moral than that

 

[82_VOL_83]

From the 80's. Seems relevant again.

You'll get moved to the meme thread like I did.

 

[McDad]

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9870/

jcpoa (apart from America):
The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA or Iran nuclear deal) is an agreement reached in 2015 between Iran, the UK, China, France, Germany, Russia, and the US (the P5+1), to limit the Iranian nuclear programme in exchange for sanctions relief. It was endorsed by UN Security Council Resolution 2231 (2015).

The JCPOA agreement does not expire until October 2025. However, a significant milestone was reached on 18 October 2023 (Transition Day) when all remaining nuclear-related sanctions against Iran under UN Security Council Resolution 2231, including restrictions on ballistic missile and sensitive technologies, expired.

The UK, France and Germany (referred to as the E3) said, however, that Iran’s “consistent and severe non-compliance with its JCPOA commitments” warranted the retention of sanctions and, as such, the nuclear-related sanctions set out in UNSCR 2231 would instead be transferred into their domestic sanctions regimes and existing UK and EU nuclear-related sanctions would be maintained beyond the October deadline.

 

[Firebirdparts]

Sorry but those were the two worst individual acts of evil in human history. No other nation has done anything close to that.

You are very impaired with regards to your understanding of football and evil. This is insane. total brainwashing.

In the 20th century, communists killed about 60 to 100 million of their own citizens. Not in a war, just come to your house and kill you. Torture you first, of course. Don't want to leave that out.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I was against breaking deals we made.

And to reiterate, you used an incident where we were trying to control more as an argument against isolationism. You held my feet over coals because I shared a screenshot of something I thought was funny but was a partial truth (which I immediately admitted). You literally just tried to twist an event into something it was not, and I'm not going to freak out at you about it, or call it "outright lies."

I hope Trump breaks all those touchy feely woke deals where we are the only country that has any real deadlines.

 

[volbound1700]

A degree from the university of Tennessee is hardly some website.
But
You will be judged all by yourself. This “some guy” and those people you sought out who agree with your preconceived beliefs won’t matter at all to you on your day of judgement.
The Mathew 7 warnings should be enough for you to do your own research and thinking. Messiah is talking about casting out people who think they are good at the day of judgement and he lists 2 standards. He doesn’t know them and they practice lawlessness.


I’m ok if you want to go out like a sheep following wolf’s. I’m more concerned about what the Messiah and the prophets actually said

It is hard to really match Biblical Values with Politics right now. Jesus was very vocal about staying out of politics with the really only call out being to follow the laws of the land. Christianity is very focused on how you, as a person, manage your own moral standards.

 

[LittleVol]

She’s so sexy…

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

One repercussion is what happens when the Iranian faction is weakened to the point that the power balance is gone. Iran has been a major threat in the area to peace but if the Saudi/Sunni faction takes over, how will they play in the Middle East? It could be a good thing or it could be a bad thing.

Iran is too shia, about 90%, for a sunni govt to hold power for long, IMO. Whatever the next regime is in Iran, unless it's a heavily secular jackboot regime (think Saddam,) it will be shia and automatically viewed with a side eye by the sunni countries.

 

[McDad]

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and back to this tweet for another thought. The twit's tweet claims Iran's enrichment is 99.99% tied to Trump pulling out of jcpoa. Even though other countries remained in it. And, even though other countries (UK) acknowledge it wasn't working. If jcpoa was a 'good' agreement, it should have both worked and continued without our involvement. Are we compelled to remain in non effective agreements where we are the only country whose involvement is consequential?

 

[volbound1700]

It's all us vs them.

For a good part of the late 20th century, the "us" was in the liberalization of society (hair on men, women's dress, etc, etc) and the "them" were those seen as uptight about accepting trivial differences in dress, etc. The left managed to spin that into politics as a "moral issue" of individual rights successfully.

The right spun it back with the use of scripture, largely, to combat morally distasteful trends and appeal deeply to the, no disrespect meant, "God isn't pleased with this" primal views of most Americans. It has worked very well.

If it gets "too rigid" to many Americans again and we'll see the pendulum swing back to the left and toward "individual rights" which are less spiritually bound.

The key in politics is to catch the wave of sentiment. Clinton did it well. Trump is the best I've ever seen.

Agree. Politics tends to not line up well with the Bible.

In my view, the real story is how the USA, as a society, has turned away from God over time. Politics only followed society down this broken road. I think God is more focused on the individuals. Take the Roman Empire as an example. God spread Christianity through Apostles like Paul, Peter, etc. instead of putting a chosen person on the throne as Caesar.

Some Christians have looked towards politicians to save us when we probably need more people like Paul or Peter.

 

[05_never_again]

Agree. Politics tends to not line up well with the Bible.

In my view, the real story is how the USA, as a society, has turned away from God over time. Politics only followed society down this broken road. I think God is more focused on the individuals. Take the Roman Empire as an example. God spread Christianity through Apostles like Paul, Peter, etc. instead of putting a chosen person on the throne as Caesar.

Some Christians have looked towards politicians to save us when we probably need more people like Paul or Peter.

It's a liberal thing to apply commandments in the Bible (which I agree focuses on individuals) and apply them to institutions.

For example, they use Jesus's commandments about helping the poor to advocate for government programs that help the poor, rather than taking money out of your own pocket to give to the poor (which I think is what is actually meant). It's easy to be generous with other people's money.

 

[Jackcrevol]

It's a liberal thing to apply commandments in the Bible (which I agree focuses on individuals) and apply them to institutions.

For example, they use Jesus's commandments about helping the poor to advocate for government programs that help the poor, rather than taking money out of your own pocket to give to the poor (which I think is what is actually meant). It's easy to be generous with other people's money.

protect thy unborn children, and protecteth thine straight white people from thy gays, and trans.