Iran nuclear program. It is a lie

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NorthDallas40 said:
During the expansion of Alexander the Great we see evidence of Greek culture expanding way beyond the boundaries of the Greek state. With the Romans you see the expansion of Roman culture into England.

I can’t day that I’ve ever seen the Persian “culture” persist even into present day Iran. Honestly to me they don’t seem to have a culture predating the rise of Islam.
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They don’t seem to have a culture or that you don’t know of a culture?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why must you crap on the history of Iran to prop up the history of Israel?

No one needs to be playing the genetic purity game nowadays... or questioning a person's genetic identity.

You should know better than to be playing that game.

Just saying...
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Typical.
 
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Persian Vol said:
They don’t seem to have a culture or that you don’t know of a culture?
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Can you point to a persistent culture?

When I was just out of high school I remember having a few Iranian acquaintances thru a common friend. They referred to themselves as “Persian”. Not to profess their culture. To misrepresent their nationality to us dumb Americans. That resonated with me. I’ve never been ashamed of being an American. And I profess it proudly.
 
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AM64 said:
I completely agree. S Korea has some crack troops - and for exactly the same reason as Israel. Being surrounded by nut jobs who want to kill you probably tends to focus your attention a lot better than ours - especially on the borders.

Right with you on on being from a military family, and both my wife and I are vets (she's retired Navy).
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Thank you both for yuour service. My dad who just passed was a retired it. Colonel, 26 years active couple reserve..my pappaw is a retired master sergeant with 26 years active. I tried to join after 9.11. But was basically too old. Talked with a couple recruiters but couldn't make it work as a reservist. My family would starve if i went active duty, even if as a 2lt from OCS. Pays less than half what i make...

Very, very proud to be an American. Very proud of my heritage as well. We have made mistakes, but this is by far the greatest country in recorded history, and we are only still a country because of the brave men and women who served to keep it that way in the last 200 plus years. I was very discouraged during the previous administration, but now I believe we have a punchers chance of saving our country as long as we can soon curtail spending and balance a real budget.

America roundly rejected the PC leftist bullcrap that has been forced down pur throats for a Decade. Hopefully, we can stop emasculating our young men and get back to standing proud as responsible men who love God family and country above all else. Keep hope alive. Raise your kids to be decent God fearing honorable human beings wirh pride in themselves and their country. Rebuild 1 generation at a time. It can be done.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Can you point to a persistent culture?

When I was just out of high school I remember having a few Iranian acquaintances thru a common friend. They referred to themselves as “Persian”. Not to profess their culture. To misrepresent their nationality to us dumb Americans. That resonated with me. I’ve never been ashamed of being an American. And I profess it proudly.
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Every Iranian I have ever spoken with, including resident, claims to be a Persian. But Persia ismt a country, or presently a culture by definition, right? Wouldn't a culture be tied to a country or region that currently or recently exists?

Not insulting anyone either...just don't understand. I do know that they seem to do it to distance themselves from Arabs who have darker skin usually...not sure why else.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Every Iranian I have ever spoken with, including resident, claims to be a Persian. But Persia ismt a country, or presently a culture by definition, right? Wouldn't a culture be tied to a country or region that currently or recently exists?

Not insulting anyone either...just don't understand. I do know that they seem to do it to distance themselves from Arabs who have darker skin usually...not sure why else.
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I have no idea what “Persian” means in the modern context. When I hear it I immediately go to Iranian. And I don’t see a cultural persistence back to biblical Persia.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Can you point to a persistent culture?

When I was just out of high school I remember having a few Iranian acquaintances thru a common friend. They referred to themselves as “Persian”. Not to profess their culture. To misrepresent their nationality to us dumb Americans. That resonated with me. I’ve never been ashamed of being an American. And I profess it proudly.
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The Persian New Years Norooz is over 3000 years old and has roots from Zoroastrianism, predating Islam. This is something unique to Persians and is an example of Persian culture that has transcended millenniums in Iran.

There is nothing incorrect with saying Persian and not Iranian. Persians are the largest ethnic group in Iran, and almost all Iranians in America are Persians. The Iranians in Iran who aren't Persian live in pockets in Iran.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I have no idea what “Persian” means in the modern context. When I hear it I immediately go to Iranian. And I don’t see a cultural persistence back to biblical Persia.
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I don’t have issue with the modern people. Just the claim to history that isn’t theirs
 
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hog88 said:
Don’t forget the mongul conquest and domination of that area.
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They dominated many countries, but half of Asia isn't speaking Mongolian to this day. Just because they were invaded doesn't mean the population demographic and culture changed.
 
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Persian Vol said:
The Persian New Years Norooz is over 3000 years old and has roots from Zoroastrianism, predating Islam. This is something unique to Persians and is an example of Persian culture that has transcended millenniums in Iran.

There is nothing incorrect with saying Persian and not Iranian. Persians are the largest ethnic group in Iran, and almost all Iranians in America are Persians. The Iranians in Iran who aren't Persian live in pockets in Iran.
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When I asked them where they were from the said “Persia”. I said “ you mean Iran?” They said “yeah but we don’t say that in America”. Again that just resonated with me. They were hiding their nationality.

I’m familiar with Zoroastrianism as an ancient monotheistic religion and belief structure. I cannot say I have ever seen it referenced to current day Iran in any context but do understand it’s connection to ancient Persia.

Im not just trying to dump on Iran. What we call America has only been around for about 250 years.

But I honestly see nothing in modern day Iran that significantly connects with the ancient Persian Empire.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Ras you and I agree on the basic point. America should stay out of nation building. We should focus on our own problems.

However I can’t think of a positive thing I’ve seen you post about your nation. You come across to me as being apologetic for being born American. That’s chicken **** to me. Plain and simple. We’re not perfect by a long shot. But I don’t see a better thing going. You come across to me as thinking everybody is smarter than we are. That’s it in a nutshell.
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I come from the angle of this country could be a lot better if we simply obeyed our founding documents and principles. You think that America should go around the world spreading freedom and democracy behind the barrel of a gun. I simply disagree with that notion. You (or most of you) think that civil liberties should be sacrificed for safety and security. I simply disagree with that, also. Commerce with all, and alliances with none. Pretty simple concept.

If that makes me repugnant or "chicken ****" it your eyes, oh well. All I ask is that this country fulfills the promise it made to the American people. This country has not done this... and has failed to do it at the expense of our liberties, blood and treasure.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I come from the angle of this country could be a lot better if we simply obeyed our founding documents and principles. You think that America should go around the world spreading freedom and democracy behind the barrel of a gun. I simply disagree with that notion. You (or most of you) think that civil liberties should be sacrificed for safety and security. I simply disagree with that, also. Commerce with all, and alliances with none. Pretty simple concept.

If that makes me repugnant or "chicken ****" it your eyes, oh well. All I ask is that this country fulfills the promise it made to the American people. This country has not done this... and has failed to do it at the expense of our liberties, blood and treasure.
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I tend to agree with everything you said here.


We (the USA) should definitely mind our own business
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I come from the angle of this country could be a lot better if we simply obeyed our founding documents and principles. You think that America should go around the world spreading freedom and democracy behind the barrel of a gun. I simply disagree with that notion. You (or most of you) think that civil liberties should be sacrificed for safety and security. I simply disagree with that, also. Commerce with all, and alliances with none. Pretty simple concept.

If that makes me repugnant or "chicken ****" it your eyes, oh well. All I ask is that this country fulfills the promise it made to the American people. This country has not done this... and has failed to do it at the expense of our liberties, blood and treasure.
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The **** you say. Don’t put words in my mouth. Go read my post you quoted.

And do not even start to lecture me on my civil liberties stance. You might want to search my posts a tad more dude.

We can mind our own business and have an American ball sack hanging between our legs too dude. You genuinely come across to me as being sorry you were born American. That’s it.
 
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Persian Vol said:
They dominated many countries, but half of Asia isn't speaking Mongolian to this day. Just because they were invaded doesn't mean the population demographic and culture changed.
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I would argue that the Monguls had the greatest influence over Asia, the ME and Eastern Europe than any empire. The difference between the Monguls and other empires is they generally let the inhabitants of conquered land to keep their culture as long as they pledged allegiance and lived up to that pledge.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
When I asked them where they were from the said “Persia”. I said “ you mean Iran?” They said “yeah but we don’t say that in America”. Again that just resonated with me. They were hiding their nationality.

I’m familiar with Zoroastrianism as an ancient monotheistic religion and belief structure. I cannot say I have ever seen it referenced to current day Iran in any context but do understand it’s connection to ancient Persia.

Im not just trying to dump on Iran. What we call America has only been around for about 250 years.

But I honestly see nothing in modern day Iran that significantly connects with the ancient Persian Empire.
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I couldn't blame them. Whenever you say "Iran" around most Americans after 1979, they will have a negative reaction. Meanwhile, most Americans (probably 99%) will not make the connection to Mossadegh at the UK/American coup.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I tend to agree with everything you said here.


We (the USA) should definitely mind our own business
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Agree, however where I disagree with Ras is when people rise up and fight for their freedom I think we need to be there to support them. Not militarily but economically with trade and humanitarian aid. We shouldn’t dictate what type of government but support a free and democratic(ish) form.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I couldn't blame them. Whenever you say "Iran" around most Americans after 1979, they will have a negative reaction. Meanwhile, most Americans (probably 99%) will not make the connection to Mossadegh at the UK/American coup.
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I’ll blame them. I’ve never said “North American” which is the damn equivalent. Have you said that? Or just said “American, but sorry!”

Also. Move beyond Mossadegh. Your life would probably be less bitter.
 
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