Iran nuclear program. It is a lie

[OuterBanksVol]

You would first have to show a reason for them to be replaced.

Trump says he wants DACA. But wants Mexico wall money from Congress in exchange. Iran deal... most seem to think breaking our agreement will lead to a resumption of their nuclear program, so there is need there. NAFTA not important? Health care... Trump promises: No one will lose coverage. There will be insurance for everybody. Healthcare will be a “lot less expensive” for everyone — the government, consumers, providers. All lies.

 

[lawgator1]

Just stop. Please. The deal was flawed. And you damn well know it. So F'em!

I know you are an 'Iran First' kinda guy, but it seems clear Tehran has a choice to make.

If Iran’s leaders are smart, they will stop fueling the flames of war and terror all over the Middle East and will stop flirting with nuclear weapons.

If Iran’s leaders are foolish and continue on their current path they will pay the price for their actions, with their quest for regional power. America knows how to do deal with rogue states like your mullah buddies in Iran – something your homey's should consider very, very carefully.

Ok, that is just a very simplistic view of things.

But I have come to expect that of you.

When you say it was "flawed," what exactly do you mean? Please be specific.

Now, bear in mind, if the "flaw" is that its too easy to cheat, or that it did not account for something, then what is your PLAUSIBLE argument about an alternative that would have accomplished EVERYTHING you want in the deal?

Remember, we cannot force them to enter a deal they don't want to enter in to. You cannot stomp your feet and say they MUST agree to x, y, and z when they simply will not do so.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

There is none

Maybe on your insane Bizarro World. Here in the real world, there are plenty of reasons.

 

[Vol0725]

Trump says he wants DACA. But wants Mexico wall money from Congress in exchange. Iran deal... most seem to think breaking our agreement will lead to a resumption of their nuclear program, so there is need there. NAFTA not important? Health care... Trump promises: No one will lose coverage. There will be insurance for everybody. Healthcare will be a “lot less expensive” for everyone — the government, consumers, providers. All lies.

Here come the spin attacks... attacks... attacks... attacks... attacks :clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[hog88]

Maybe on your insane Bizarro World. Here in the real world, there are plenty of reasons.

List them.

 

[evillawyer]

No, Trump ain't a poossee, and he's keeping his promises that got him elected. It's called honoring your commitments.

Wonder if Ivana, Marla and Melania wanna opine on how good Trump is on honoring his commitments.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

It’s called America first, **** the Libs and the globalists.

So close minded and unrealistic. We live in a shrinking world not Fortress America. Protectionist, self absorbed policies are a fools errand.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

OK pro-Trump fans, please read this and tell me where it's wrong.

NAFTA, DACA, Paris, Pacific Trade Agreement, health care, and now Iran... all effectively destroyed. Where's the plan to replace these?

Trumps MO is to blow up everything Obama did, but for what? If he has a vision of needed changes and new accords, where is it?

This is not leadership. This is abuse of power and taking action for the sake solely of taking action.

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Secretary of State Pompeo is meeting with the North Koreans. Will Americans soon be released?

The Obamacare mandate is history.

The $150 Billion corrupt Iran nuclear deal is history. There is a reason that Obama, Kerry, and Corker did not want a vote in the U.S. Senate. Iran has an economy about the size of Maryland's economy. The sanctions will hurt an already weak economy.

Trump tax cuts. Booming economy, with the lowest unemployment rate in many years.

President Trump does not apologize to foreigners for being a proud American.

Trump simply keeps winning. The leftists have no political leader to deliver a message that will win elections, and they have no message for the American voters other than Russia and Stephanie Clifford, who is now being paid to stomp on cheetos while nude.

The leftists continue to pray for Muler, while the Trump Train continues to roll along.

 

[Weezer]

And that seems to be Trump's modus operandi. Not whether some course of action makes sense, but whether it was done by Obama.

Some of Obama's deals seemed like they were made just so he could say, "Hey! Look what I did!" What is the point of a deal, an accord, or a treaty when it really doesn't properly solve anything? Is making a deal just to make a deal really accomplishing anything? You speak of Trump's actions making sense, but does making a deal that fails to solve a problem make sense?

 

[Weezer]

And I'm laughing at the overall hypocrisy in this thread, really from both sides. On one hand you have, "Yeah, Trump is undoing everything the last lawfully POTUS did." On the other, "Just wait until we get one of our guys in the office again and he/she undoes all the things this lawfully elected POTUS is doing!" Is anyone actually addressing what's best for the country or is this just a partisan pissing contest?

 

[Weezer]

Wonder if Ivana, Marla and Melania wanna opine on how good Trump is on honoring his commitments.

Yes, let's bring up adultery since no Democrat ever has been guilty of it. :whistling:

 

[Weezer]

Ok, that is just a very simplistic view of things.

But I have come to expect that of you.

When you say it was "flawed," what exactly do you mean? Please be specific.

Now, bear in mind, if the "flaw" is that its too easy to cheat, or that it did not account for something, then what is your PLAUSIBLE argument about an alternative that would have accomplished EVERYTHING you want in the deal?

Remember, we cannot force them to enter a deal they don't want to enter in to. You cannot stomp your feet and say they MUST agree to x, y, and z when they simply will not do so.

Why make a deal in the first place if you're not getting what you want? I honestly don't understand the idea of making a deal where one side benefits greatly and the other side hardly at all. I don't see the value of such a deal.

 

[golfballs]

Not the Iran Deal!

 

[Vol0725]

Ok, that is just a very simplistic view of things.

But I have come to expect that of you.

When you say it was "flawed," what exactly do you mean? Please be specific.

Now, bear in mind, if the "flaw" is that its too easy to cheat, or that it did not account for something, then what is your PLAUSIBLE argument about an alternative that would have accomplished EVERYTHING you want in the deal?

Remember, we cannot force them to enter a deal they don't want to enter in to. You cannot stomp your feet and say they MUST agree to x, y, and z when they simply will not do so.

First off, the last Administration refused to submit it as a legally-binding treaty under the Constitution. The deal enriched Iranian regime and empowered it to destabilize the Middle East. Instead of using the deal’s financial windfall to benefit the Iranian people, Iran’s mullahs aggressively built up their ballistic missile program, boosted their support to Hezbollah terrorists and Syria’s Assad regime, and escalated domestic repression....then you have Israel’s recent revelations of Iran’s secret archive of nuclear weaponization plans, that paves the Iranian terror regime’s path to nuclear weapons (hummm...maybe they target America or our allies?).

Look LG, these douchebags lie and cheat. Plus their aggression shows that the mullahs have no interest in being a good actor. I mean look at the Iranian people, they continue to suffer under a regime of criminal corruption, economic malfeasance, and an systemic problem of mass human rights violations.

Here's the deal...no more monkey business pattycake.
Hold their feet to the fire, and see if they wise up.
When heats applied to an object, one of two things happens, withers and dies or grows and expands... we'll see which path they choose.

 

[evillawyer]

Yes, let's bring up adultery since no Democrat ever has been guilty of it. :whistling:

Ah, the good old fashioned Soviet "but what about X" ploy.

 

[hog88]

Ah, the good old fashioned Soviet "but what about X" ploy.

Without the Y it's not much of a ploy.

 

[Vol0725]

Not the Iran Deal!

That gif never gets old.

 

[Weezer]

Trump says he wants DACA. But wants Mexico wall money from Congress in exchange. Iran deal... most seem to think breaking our agreement will lead to a resumption of their nuclear program, so there is need there. NAFTA not important? Health care... Trump promises: No one will lose coverage. There will be insurance for everybody. Healthcare will be a “lot less expensive” for everyone — the government, consumers, providers. All lies.

I want to be clear, when it comes to healthcare, I'm assuming you're condemning Obama as well. He made a lot of promises that never came to fruition as well, so I'm going to assume you hold him to the same standards as Trump, right?

 

[Weezer]

Ah, the good old fashioned Soviet "but what about X" ploy.

Ah, the good old fashioned deflection ploy because I know I can't argue that Clinton and JFK were not adulterers as well. Curses! Foiled again!

 

[hog88]

I want to be clear, when it comes to healthcare, I'm assuming you're condemning Obama as well. He made a lot of promises that never came to fruition as well, so I'm going to assume you hold him to the same standards as Trump, right?

Of course he isn't.

 

[lawgator1]

First off, the last Administration refused to submit it as a legally-binding treaty under the Constitution. The deal enriched Iranian regime and empowered it to destabilize the Middle East. Instead of using the deal’s financial windfall to benefit the Iranian people, Iran’s mullahs aggressively built up their ballistic missile program, boosted their support to Hezbollah terrorists and Syria’s Assad regime, and escalated domestic repression....then you have Israel’s recent revelations of Iran’s secret archive of nuclear weaponization plans, that paves the Iranian terror regime’s path to nuclear weapons (hummm...maybe they target America or our allies?).

Look LG, these douchebags lie and cheat. Plus their aggression shows that the mullahs have no interest in being a good actor. I mean look at the Iranian people, they continue to suffer under a regime of criminal corruption, economic malfeasance, and an systemic problem of mass human rights violations.

Here's the deal...no more monkey business pattycake.
Hold their feet to the fire, and see if they wise up.
When heats applied to an object, one of two things happens, withers and dies or grows and expands... we'll see which path they choose.

Your post says absolutely nothing. You are just regurgitating the same tired Fox talking points since the deal was contemplated.

Be specific. What specific inspections do you want that are not taking place and why. And then explain how you will get the agreed to by the Iranians.

 

[TennTom]

And that seems to be Trump's modus operandi. Not whether some course of action makes sense, but whether it was done by Obama.

That YUGE humiliation at the 2011 Correspondence Dinner will be a sad turning point in American history.

 

[evillawyer]

Ah, the good old fashioned deflection ploy because I know I can't argue that Clinton and JFK were not adulterers as well. Curses! Foiled again!

No dimwit. If the issue is "does Trump honor his commitments?," what's relevant is simply whether Trump does or does not honor his commitments. Its completely irrelevant whether Clinton or some other Democrat honors his commitments.

I constantly see this "but what about X" crap on here whenever a genuine issue is raised. It does nothing to advance the argument. Whataboutism is a form of deflection; refusing to take the whataboutism bait is not deflection.

 

[Squints]

Your post says absolutely nothing. You are just regurgitating the same tired Fox talking points since the deal was contemplated.

Be specific. What specific inspections do you want that are not taking place and why. And then explain how you will get the agreed to by the Iranians.

None.

Scrap the deal, there’s nothing to inspect.

 

[hog88]

Your post says absolutely nothing. You are just regurgitating the same tired Fox talking points since the deal was contemplated.

Be specific. What specific inspections do you want that are not taking place and why. And then explain how you will get the agreed to by the Iranians.

The protocol is incredibly weak. Iran basically controls where and when inspections can take place and can delay an inspection for almost a month. A lot of stuff can be hidden in a month.

Here are the steps for the inspections process related to undeclared sites[10]:

“Request for clarification” (Day 0): If the IAEA has concerns about undeclared nuclear activities or sites, or any potential violations of the agreement, it will first “provide Iran the basis for such concerns and request clarification.”

“Request for access” (Days 1-14): If Iran’s explanations do not satisfy the IAEA, the Agency may submit a request to access the suspicious sites in question. The IAEA “will provide the reasons for access in writing and make available any relevant information.” Within 14 days, Iran and the IAEA must either 1) agree on the procedures to inspect the sites in question, or 2) resolve the IAEA’s concerns by alternative arrangements without inspections.

“Dispute resolution” (Days 15-21): If Iran and the IAEA cannot reach a resolution within 14 days of the IAEA’s request for access, the issue will be brought before the Joint Commission established by the agreement for dispute resolution. A consensus of 5 of the 8 members of the Joint Commission (the P5+1 nations, plus Iran, plus the EU High Representative) would issue a ruling and determine the course of action within 7 days. This means, Iran, China, and Russia could not block a consensus without the support of one Western country.

“Implementation” (Days 22-24): Following the determination of the Joint Commission, Iran would have 3 additional days to implement the decision.

How Will Inspections Work in Iran under the Nuclear Deal? – Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control