OrangeInKy
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wow, on edge today huh? This didn't start with opinions, it starting with me simply giving you a fact in addition to a fact you posted because you were big mad about a Hall of Fame qb....giving an opinion. Now you want to respect everyone's opinions. I never claimed greatness, I was simply adding something that adds context to your attempt to take a dig at a HOF'ers career b/c you didn't like his opinion. Don't be so sensitive. Bro.By the way you have a wonderful day I assume your the greatest maybe you are but I respect your opinion and you should respect mine thanks in advance oh knowledgeable one
Kurt Warner did a film study on Hendon about a day ago and he made a few points I want to mention:
(KW chose the Ga game from this past season since it was our most challenging defense, and he prefers to watch an entire game rather than simply break down highlights only)
It's very hard to predict how QBs will perform in the NFL--there are MANY variables, a fair number of them not even directly
related to the QBs talent/skill level. That is why a lot of first-rounders bust. Brock Purdy, last player taken in the the draft, could have led
the Niners to the Super Bowl this year had he not been injured and he may win the job next season over Trey Lance, for whom the Niners gave up a boatload of draft capital to draft him as the No. 3 pick in the draft.
Hooker will certainly get a /good/ chance to show what he can do. That's all you can ask. Some guys don't even get much of a chance to do that. Tyler Bray is a pretty damn talented thrower--good enough to stick with the Chiefs for, what, 4 or more years and be in the league for, what, 5 or 6 years--and yet he never got a shot to play in regular-season games. I'm not saying he would have been a good NFL QB--his lack of mobility was a problem--but much depends on the team that drafts you or that you play for, their offensive philosophy, the QBs ahead of you on that team, injuries, luck etc. There are a lot of variables.
Well, you're missing my point here. What I am speaking of is that extra little bit that pushes you over the top. in those upcoming games against the Georgias and Alabamas of the world. I'm talking about being able to win those top echelon games and truly compete in that arena. I love our offense in general and that its the top producer in the country of course.you realize this was the number 1 offense in the country last year? Yeah, let’s change it. FMR. I love the coaching expertise here
Well, you're missing my point here. What I am speaking of is that extra little bit that pushes you over the top. in those upcoming games against the Georgias and Alabamas of the world. I'm talking about being able to win those top echelon games and truly compete in that arena. I love our offense in general and that its the top producer in the country of course.
Touche browow, on edge today huh? This didn't start with opinions, it starting with me simply giving you a fact in addition to a fact you posted because you were big mad about a Hall of Fame qb....giving an opinion. Now you want to respect everyone's opinions. I never claimed greatness, I was simply adding something that adds context to your attempt to take a dig at a HOF'ers career b/c you didn't like his opinion. Don't be so sensitive. Bro.
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As far as I’m concerned there’s not a human being on earth that is qualified to critique Heupel’s offense.Kurt Warner did a film study on Hendon about a day ago and he made a few points I want to mention:
(KW chose the Ga game from this past season since it was our most challenging defense, and he prefers to watch an entire game rather than simply break down highlights only)
1). To him it was difficult to analyze HH because of our offense, but he strongly implied that HH tended to "latch on" to a receiver either immediately after the snap or even before. Tended to, not always of course. He also pointedly criticized our "one sided game" where the two off-side receivers simply "jog 5 yards" and quit running any route. Now this didn't happen the entire game, but it happened quite often. And this prevents the QB from reading the "big picture" to find openings that are there almost every play......even against an historically great defense. Mostly it limits Warner from assessing HH's read-ability of the developing play and so KW cannot assess Hendon's ability in that area easily.
I have said this before - I cannot stand this habit in our receivers. We have depth in the WR room.....why not everyone run your route? What happens when the QB's pre-determined choice is covered, and he needs a back up option? In fact KW showed exactly this result where the R side was covered and H had to scramble back to his Left and the receivers on that side acted lost.
2). KW suggested H had a tendency (in this game at least) to panic a bit early and by-pass the opportunity to read the defense at snap and opt for the easier check-down throw. In fairness, Hendon completed many of these balls to his pre-ordained choice, but Warner was simply discussing how a college qb can elevate himself on these opportunities.
3). KW implied that H does not read the defense in general and has a tendency to commit to a WR before giving the play a chance to develop. In other words, Warner asks the question...."can HH develop the ability to do this more often at the next level? It may be a fair question.
It must be said that this was H's poorest game probably, and that he WAS IN FACT playing a really gifted defense. I would think one needs to be more complete in film analysis over a broader context to fairly judge. However, the sloppy "jog 5 yards" irritates me to no end. Its against the #1 team in the country in their house.....can we not fully run the routes please, at least for this opponent?
Another point I noticed.....remarkable how on nearly EVERY play, Georgia DB's were grabbing our receivers with one and sometime two hands when they made their cut in the route. Disgusting and allowed to happen all day long by refs.
A bigger question is this......I'm a bit concerned that Heupel's offense will continue to get labelled as gimmicky or nutty and the perception begins to grow that this offense will penalize a promising qb from developing to his maximum. I'm not saying that is true, but am concerned that someone such as Kurt Warner who comes across as fair begins to modestly suggest the above then it can harm us in the long run of recruiting. Listen, Coach JH almost has NEVER had a mediocre qb run his system, and so credit has to go to him for developing a platform where even average qb's can thrive.....but to climb to the top consistently, do we need to prove a qb can develop to an elite level while he is here? Obviously, Georgia won with a "game manager" talent in Stetson, so it can be done.....but to do so means you surround that game manager with elite talent 2 and 3 deep. Just a question I'm asking.
KW's breakdown on YTube: "Hooker | Part 2 of 2 | College QB Pre-Draft Preview – Kurt Warner Game Tape Breakdown"
The speed at which our offense operates does not allow for multiple reads. If the primary is not there, the checkdown happens and that is it. This all happens in 2 seconds. Hooker processes things quickly, but the offense is designed to get the ball out extremely fast and not stand there and let things develop or over develop.
I suspect the reason it seemed like HH latched on to WRs early was the game plan for UGA. The staff knew he was not going to get his usual amount of time so for that week he was one and done regarding targeting is my opinion. I'll give Warner credit for picking that up but deduct points as he extrapolated that trait for one game for HH's entire season.
We can't do that. It allows the other team to sub. Our offense is built on speed and the threat we will run plays really fast if you try to sub. Golesh said this. If a player needs a blow we call plays to different players to allow them to get a blow on the field. Offense is designed to tire out the 11 on defense. So we can't play 7 wrs or 3 tbs. We led the country in scoring. Hard to pick it apart at this point right?Disclaimer: I freely admit, I'm basically a know nothing about the offense, or reading the defense. So this is just the opinion of a Lasko’s Wind Curve.
My focus is on Vol 865's suggestion that the WRs not running routes is to keep them fresh. Could be, what do I know? Actually I've already told you that. However, I think this might underscore an idea I proffered in an earlier post on VN. We have an embarrassing wealth of really good WRs. I think the Heup should take KW's comments to heart. And every so often, have three WRs ready to sprint off the field, while another three sprint on the field, assume their positions, already knowing what pass play will be called, and GO! Don't even bother to get into the huddle, just line up ready. Maybe call it the hair trigger maneuver. Practice it until you got it down perfectly. And, of course, have all the WRs run routes. Constant fresh legs would run a defense ragged, resulting in half a hundred point games or maybe even a full hundred point games. Now, on the other hand, I also freely admit, the adage of, if it ain't broke don't fix it is something not to be ignored. Heup 'em, Josh, baby!
We can't do that. It allows the other team to sub. Our offense is built on speed and the threat we will run plays really fast if you try to sub. Golesh said this. If a player needs a blow we call plays to different players to allow them to get a blow on the field. Offense is designed to tire out the 11 on defense. So we can't play 7 wrs or 3 tbs. We led the country in scoring. Hard to pick it apart at this point right?
As far as I’m concerned there’s not a human being on earth that is qualified to critique Heupel’s offense.
I would pushback that the QB should ALWAYS have an idea of where to go based off of safety and DB alignment pre-snap. I do agree with you that post-snap they need to read safety to DB again to ensure the initial read was correct. A lot of this also comes from prep where you try to understand defensive tendencies and situational behaviors.A lot of times, the QB has no idea where he’s going with the ball or even what route is happening until he sees how the DBs react to the WR release and reveal their leverage. I almost think the scheme hurts Hyatt’s draft stock more than Hooker’s. Hooker still had to make reads, Hyatt made a living off bad DB reactions to switch releases and eye candy and just hitting the jets.
I agree, just saying there are a lot of choice routes where “being on the same page” almost matters as much as the pre snap read.I would pushback that the QB should ALWAYS have an idea of where to go based off of safety and DB alignment pre-snap. I do agree with you that post-snap they need to read safety to DB again to ensure the initial read was correct. A lot of this also comes from prep where you try to understand defensive tendencies and situational behaviors.
This is a valid point and highlights the risk of judging someone off one game sample. But sports media in general don't study to a degree of depth that, say, Greg Cosell does (that guy is awesome to learn from)Had Warner done a film analysis of Peyton Manning vs. Nebraska, he probably would not have given Manning high marks either. You can't accurately evaluate a QB by only looking at his worst game.
KW does not know how the system works. There was a breakdown video on here a while ago that did a great job explaining it. He "latches" onto a receiver because the play is designed specifically for that receiver, the others dont run routes to keep space clear and allow the others to make the reads. The plays allow the target receiver read the defense and adjust routes and HH had to read out receiver to know where to throw it.
I will see if I can located that video.