In Kiff we trust!...??

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Cartervol said:
You get hit hard by that ice storm lex? NES just sent about 28 trucks up there from nashville to help get power back on. I'm hearing its the worst storm they've had up there in years.
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Check the immortal topic. I'm going on my third day without power.
 
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Kiffin: Damien, I know you've had your heart set on UT for a long time. And we will be more than happy to have you if you chose to sign with us. But I do want you to know that we now expect to sign players that are going to allow us to put together a plan that won't utilize your abilities the way you might've expected. I know it's kinda late in the game to be getting this information, but I wanted you to know where I think the program is headed, so you can make the best informed decision for yourself.
 
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posivol said:
a good coach wins because he sticks to his plan,he is uncomfortable outside the box.(fulmer)
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Yeah, that Tom Osborne was a real loser sticking with a system and all. And Urban Meyer doesn't have a system. Right.
 
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WPAINE said:
Great point... and on the topic, it is amazing to me that Thigpen doesn't fit the system, but Zach Rogers does.... Shallow move Kiffin.... I feel incredibly bad for Thigpen.
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How do you know Zach Rogers wasn't given the same message but chose to stay? Thigpen's scholarship wasn't revoked. If he wants to be a Vol, he still has that option.
 
#81
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PrattvilleVol said:
He's 4.4 and runs the shuttle (4.14) faster than Percy Harvin (4.18)...Any more questions?
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Yeah, 1 question. You really think the coach is going to tell a player to go packing if he thought he could contribute rather than sit on the bench, bitch and moan, and destroy team chemistry? Sheesh.
 
#82
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I haven't read all 6 pages of this thread.... Has anyone mentioned there could be off the field issues with this kid that may have recently surfaced? I have no issues with what kiffin did, I don't trust some of the previous staffs ability to evaluate talent, especially after Brent Hubbs said on 99.1 that some of the previous staff had reservations about this kid to begin with.
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#83
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posivol said:
same reason as boyd i suppose.dosnt fit his system ?

to wait so long is dirty unless theres more to the story.

this kid didnt waiver on his commitment and also took no other visits.nice message to send out to other recruits.

wonderboy is getting alot of kudos for assembling a allstar staff.ill give him credit for having the contacts (pops) but i also think theres a dozen or so who could have done the same with a open checkbook.

so far two things bother me the most.his unwillingness or knowledge to find a use for atheletes like boyd/thigpen and his pigheadness that his system is the only way to have success.

a good coach wins because he sticks to his plan,he is uncomfortable outside the box.(fulmer)

a great coach figures out how to win while constantly adapting and redeveloping his plan based on the talent in house.the heil w/ the box.(myer)

i just fail to see how boyd and thigpen would not have made us a better team.i think both could have played this year.i didnt see boyd bounce any passes in the sr game,looked pretty decent to me and we know he has wheels.thigpen w/ blazing speed might have been our new return man?

i can almost appreciate wonderboy telling these recruits they wont fit his system but on the other hand i can almost say he dosnt fit ours as well.

differance being he was giving a chance to prove himself and these kids were told to look elsewhere.
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1. Who is to say that Thigpen was adamant and wanted to play a position that CLK didnt want him for?

2. We have fallen off the college football map because while we were the "good ole boys, workin' like heck, clapping after fumbles school", florida, lsu and alabama were hiring butt-kicking coaches that have things their way or the highway. We do not owe these recruits ANYTHING until they get on campus. This isnt a daycare and we aint their mommas. Ive had enough with being the "good guys" and all that crap. This isnt 1940s Ive League Football...this is the SEC baby, and times have changed...we were just late getting to the party.

So do whatever you have to do within the letter of the NCAA laws CLK, I want to win and I dont care if a couple of feelings get hurt along the way.
 
#84
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DaytonLawVol said:
1. Who is to say that Thigpen was adamant and wanted to play a position that CLK didnt want him for?

2. We have fallen off the college football map because while we were the "good ole boys, workin' like heck, clapping after fumbles school", florida, lsu and alabama were hiring butt-kicking coaches that have things their way or the highway. We do not owe these recruits ANYTHING until they get on campus. This isnt a daycare and we aint their mommas. Ive had enough with being the "good guys" and all that crap. This isnt 1940s Ive League Football...this is the SEC baby, and times have changed...we were just late getting to the party.

So do whatever you have to do within the letter of the NCAA laws CLK, I want to win and I dont care if a couple of feelings get hurt along the way.
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+1
 
#85
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I don't have a problem with Kiffin cutting him lose because he will answer for his own mistakes and successes but I think he could have done it in early January instead of a week from NSD. Thigpen could have scheduled another visit with another school instead of wasting his time here.
 
#86
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PrattvilleVol said:
He told Thigpen he was not a fit...Combine that with Tahj Boyd and I'm beginning to wonder why a "Coach" can't or refuses to "Manage/develop"...and find a spot for obvious "gifted and talented" athletes. :unsure: I've been behind CLK the whole way but to send 4 star players packing doesn't make sense. Does he expect instant players without coaching? That lead to CPF's demise and instant players are not going to happen...unless you're a freak of nature like EB!
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There are some legit concerns with Thigpen's size and injury history but I would have still liked to have seen him as a Vol.

Boyd is listed as 6' which probably means he's closer to 5'10". CLK has staked his success at UT on luring guys by being an NFL player mill. Boyd might set records at UT but unless he grows 4-6", he'll never play a down in the NFL. CLK's first QB recruit needs to be a guy the NFL drools over for 3 years... not Chris Leak II.
 
#87
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Lexvol said:
One could easily argue that turning down two good prospects (instead of signing them with no real idea of how you would use them) is thinking way outside the box.

Maybe your too far in the box to see it.
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or maybe hes just clueless,hope not!

could you honestly argue that boyd would not be a upgrade to what we fielded this year ?

seems to me what we desperatly lacked last year was atheletes at many positions.

and of course,throw in a lot of heart.

the d side of the ball staff is without a doubt solid.

should be the best in the league quickly,but then again it wasnt as broke as the o side.

seems kiff wants to slowly build a offense by cherry picking players starting next year.

sorry but this dosnt work for me,youll still have a unproven freshman qb starting in 2010 and realistically looking at 2011 to have his system in place w/ a soph qb.

maybe im wrong,did happen once before back in the eighties :p

tell me how you see it playing out from here :)
 
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kptvol said:
Yeah, that Tom Osborne was a real loser sticking with a system and all. And Urban Meyer doesn't have a system. Right.
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what was the name of that terrible qb meyer used while bringing timmy off the bench to win his first nc.

seems to me the man knows how to use ALL of his talent.

or maybe you think that was his system all along :question:
 
#89
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orangeaid said:
I don't have a problem with Kiffin cutting him lose because he will answer for his own mistakes and successes but I think he could have done it in early January instead of a week from NSD. Thigpen could have scheduled another visit with another school instead of wasting his time here.
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:good!:
 
#90
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DaytonLawVol said:
1. Who is to say that Thigpen was adamant and wanted to play a position that CLK didnt want him for?

2. We have fallen off the college football map because while we were the "good ole boys, workin' like heck, clapping after fumbles school", florida, lsu and alabama were hiring butt-kicking coaches that have things their way or the highway. We do not owe these recruits ANYTHING until they get on campus. This isnt a daycare and we aint their mommas. Ive had enough with being the "good guys" and all that crap. This isnt 1940s Ive League Football...this is the SEC baby, and times have changed...we were just late getting to the party.

So do whatever you have to do within the letter of the NCAA laws CLK, I want to win and I dont care if a couple of feelings get hurt along the way.
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rah rah rah sisk boom bah.

rant on brother,we needed a coaching change without a doubt.but please dont add myles to the butt kickers,this clown wins with mass talent not coaching abilities.

every move our new coach makes is watched by future potential recruits.if he proves to be a winner,most will be overlooked.but do try and remember,right now his record is 0-0.

he is doing well creating doubt that some recruits may just not be good enough to play for ut,but it also may create doubt from the ones that are.

is it worth the slippery slope ? time will tell!
 
#91
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kptvol said:
How do you know Zach Rogers wasn't given the same message but chose to stay? Thigpen's scholarship wasn't revoked. If he wants to be a Vol, he still has that option.
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That is a general question.. How do you know he was?

The issue to me isn't that he didn't need the kid or even if he gave him options.. I can understand being honest and I even think it is a good thing..My issue is that did a week before signing day.. Nothing more than stringing the kid along until he found something better.. As I said in my other post they do that junk at Florida & Alabama not Tennessee.. He should have told him a long time ago if he didn't need/want him.. Other coaches will love to use that one when they are recruiting against us.. Is that really the way we want to treat people? I think CLK has done and will do great things but this one was handled incorrectly..
 
#92
#92
Think of it like this guys: we would wind up with a top 5 class if we kept guys like boyd and thigpen and pull in a few more and everyone would be ecstatic about the recruiting prowess of the new staff. I have faith that coaches are making the right decision. Plus, I think it gives more credibility to our staff when they can tell a recruit, "Hey, we've looked and you, we know you'll fit in and contribute, and we don't tell that to everyone because look at who we have let go." That sort of honesty would have a huge impact on a recruit, because those guys are fed BS all the time by coaches
 
#93
#93
I highly doubt we see this type of move from here on out. Kiffin & Staff will only be going after the guys they want for their system, and not having to worry about the players the previous staff had made offers to.
 
#94
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HawaiiVol said:
I highly doubt we see this type of move from here on out. Kiffin & Staff will only be going after the guys they want for their system, and not having to worry about the players the previous staff had made offers to.
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That's an excellent point.
 
#95
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Lexvol said:
Check the immortal topic. I'm going on my third day without power.
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I used to live off of Tates Creek in Park Place...Lexington is a great town but way too cold for me! Also I don't understand why they refuse to expand the infrastructure to accomodate the growth for the sake of horse farms. New homes are litterally 5 ft. apart crammed around New Circle Rd.

Humans come before horses everywhere...all day long! (except in Lexington)...:)

Stay warm Lex!!
 
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#96
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posivol said:
what was the name of that terrible qb meyer used while bringing timmy off the bench to win his first nc.

seems to me the man knows how to use ALL of his talent.

or maybe you think that was his system all along :question:
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Without the stellar defense and special teams of the Gators they don't win jack in 2006. Meyer didn't get his system fully implemented until this year. And if you'll notice it isn't like Meyer is recruiting a bunch of players for a pro-style offense. You have a limited number of scholarships. It's best to use them on the guys you know you can use to their fullest.
 
#97
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DaytonLawVol said:
1. Who is to say that Thigpen was adamant and wanted to play a position that CLK didnt want him for?

2. We have fallen off the college football map because while we were the "good ole boys, workin' like heck, clapping after fumbles school", florida, lsu and alabama were hiring butt-kicking coaches that have things their way or the highway. We do not owe these recruits ANYTHING until they get on campus. This isnt a daycare and we aint their mommas. Ive had enough with being the "good guys" and all that crap. This isnt 1940s Ive League Football...this is the SEC baby, and times have changed...we were just late getting to the party.

So do whatever you have to do within the letter of the NCAA laws CLK, I want to win and I dont care if a couple of feelings get hurt along the way.
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I'm beginning to wonder about your credentials :thumbsup:
 
#98
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cutnitclose said:
My issue is that did a week before signing day..
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You absolutely don't know that's the case. We are just not hearing about it, but Kiffin could have expressed concerns back in December for all we know. He might have reiterated that point at this past visit and added that there are now several silent commits at Thigpen's position that will probably start over him.
 
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#99
If Thigpen is told he is not a "fit"...You have to believe Oku is next. There isn't a nickel's worth of difference in terms of what they do on the field, size and speed. Sure Oku has more rushing yds. as his HS team's strategy was "give the ball to Oku"...Thig was at a passing school. Don't get me wrong, I want Oku here NOW! he is a stud...but Thig could be a solid speedster especially on PR's

As a Coach (Manager) I would pick heart and commitment over my personal agenda all day long!! Thig has been commited since 4/08 and hasn't taken one visit elsewhere. Oku doesn't know what he wants to do on a daily basis. Keep a true Vol and punt Oku!!...just kidding.

I think I'm going to be sick.
 
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