Impact of recruits........

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lawgator1 said:
Well, probably not. Its just that the damn things seem to be magentically drawn to trailer parks in this state. Its really weird.
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1/2 off all deaths from tornados were from folks in mobile homes. They are just dangerous.

God farts and their roof flies off!
 
#53
#53
kptvol said:
I suppose it is always possible that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. If you aren't aware that UT is well-known for its lack of player development, you are living in a cave. I have no need to provide any more examples.
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:lolabove: I thought caves were so much darker!

Maybe you can provide a link or legitimate resourse where you read UT "is well-known for it's lack of player development", or are you just going by word of mouth or message board haters?
 
#54
#54
GAVol said:
I think that is overstating things just a little.
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Probably, but this guy is acting like I originated this notion. It's been around for years. I heard about it long before I ever discovered Volnation. Furthermore, I've never even stated that I think it's true. Surely there are some players that weren't developed to their full potential, but I never stated that UT has some widespread crisis in that department.
 
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The Dude said:
:lolabove: I thought caves were so much darker!

Maybe you can provide a link or legitimate resourse where you read UT "is well-known for it's lack of player development", or are you just going by word of mouth or message board haters?
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Since pretty much everyone in this forum seems pretty well-informed about the subject except you, I think you should be doing the research. I have no need to prove something that I already know.
 
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kptvol said:
I have no need to prove something that I already know.
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Not even during conversation? You think it is okay to make a point with no backup?

If your going to say UT is "well-known" for their lack of player development, maybe you could actually back your statement up with a link or maybe why you think this way, not just saying they are well known and that's that.

You can't back up what you are saying. It's message board bitching from a hater. That's all.
 
#59
#59
The Dude said:
It's message board bitching from a hater. That's all.
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Your inability to comprehend what I and others have been saying is astounding. It would be different if anyone had posted something that indicated that UT isn't well-known for poor development. On the contrary, everyone has posted the opposite.
 
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kptvol said:
Your inability to comprehend what I and others have been saying is astounding. It would be different if anyone had posted something that indicated that UT isn't well-known for poor development. On the contrary, everyone has posted the opposite.
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I guess your idea for well known is this board. I'm talking nationally not a dern message board.

Again, can you please back up how UT is well-known for their lack of player development? Let's go with well-known in the general concept of things, which is outside this message board.
 
#61
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The Dude said:
I guess your idea for well known is this board. I'm talking nationally not a dern message board.

Again, can you please back up how UT is well-known for their lack of player development? Let's go with well-known in the general concept of things, which is outside this message board.
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I suppose well-known might actually be a bit of a stretch. I should have said well-known amongst those who follow UT football. I think I recall Mel Kiper saying something about UT not developing players. I've heard it mentioned somewhere in NFL evaluations. I have no idea how to begin to research something like that. I imagine it would require resources to which I do not have access.
 
#62
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kptvol said:
I suppose well-known might actually be a bit of a stretch. I should have said well-known amongst those who follow UT football. I think I recall Mel Kiper saying something about UT not developing players. I've heard it mentioned somewhere in NFL evaluations. I have no idea how to begin to research something like that. I imagine it would require resources to which I do not have access.
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Fair enough, point taken.
 
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#63
One place to start is to see how many 5 star players ended up being bust at UT compared to that of other schools. Someone did this recently on Rivals and found virtually no difference between UT and other SEC schools. I strongly disagree that UT has a reputation for not developing players. If anything, they argue this as a strength and have a pretty good argument when they are 2nd in the nation of putting players in the NFL.
 
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newjersey4vols said:
One place to start is to see how many 5 star players ended up being bust at UT compared to that of other schools. Someone did this recently on Rivals and found virtually no difference between UT and other SEC schools. I strongly disagree that UT has a reputation for not developing players. If anything, they argue this as a strength and have a pretty good argument when they are 2nd in the nation of putting players in the NFL.
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I think the number of busts is more of a way to evaluate how well UT selects its recruits. If we have a high number of busts, then we probably aren't picking good guys to go after. If we have a lot of five star guys that are average at best during their college career, then our player development probably isn't where it needs to be.

I consider a bust a guy like Morley that wouldn't have been great no matter what school he attended.
 
#65
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kptvol said:
I think the number of busts is more of a way to evaluate how well UT selects its recruits. If we have a high number of busts, then we probably aren't picking good guys to go after.

I really wish we could pick automatic qualifiers instead of "hoping" a kid can get his grades up to play. I know some are borderline, but some have been wasted scholarship offers.



If we have a lot of five star guys that are
average at best during their college career, then our player development probably isn't where it needs to be.

But you would be relying on the star system and that wouldn't be a fair way to judge their development. Some players don't deserve 5 stars in hindsight. Others are much better than the 2 star players we thought they'd be.

I consider a bust a guy like Morley that wouldn't have been great no matter what school he attended.
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Indeed. He may have been a tad overrated.:yes: Other busts are kids who had tremendous talent but couldn't stay out of trouble, or kids, in trouble or not, didn't pan out, i.e. Montrell Jones, Onterrio Smith, James Banks, etc.
 
#66
#66
Troop and Cut will keep these boys in line. The guys you just mentioned were post Cut era. Also, in order to have a Ntl. Champ. team you need to be loaded with talent first off, and second you have to have the right team chemistry. I think that the chemistry thing might happen because all of these guys are saying they are comfortable at Tennessee and the family atmosphere we have here. Those help create chemistry. The opposite is Miami and UT 4 years ago when we were just seen as a pipeline to the pros.
 
#67
#67
Let's be honest. Recruiting (and coaching in general) is a very inexact science. Why some gifted people turn into garbage is inexplicable at times and why some unheralded folks become superstars is almost equally inexplicable. We just need somewhere to assess blame and that target happens to be CPF (because of his inability to coach, discipline, develop, diet, etc). It is what it is.
 
#68
#68
Be happy y'all had another great recruiting year...congratulations. I'm happy with what we got, but Tenn landed a ton of talent.
 
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kptvol said:
I think the number of busts is more of a way to evaluate how well UT selects its recruits. If we have a high number of busts, then we probably aren't picking good guys to go after.
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I don't agree with that. For a guy to be considered a "bust" he would have to be a highly touted recruit to begin with.....which in most cases means the UF's, LSU's, UGA's, USC's and OSU's of the world were probably after him too. This would mean that all of the schools that recruited him would have been wrong so I don't think it is fair to pinpoint UT's ability to evaluate talent when other top programs also saw a good prospect.
 
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