Impact of recruits........

#26
#26
The Dude said:
Player development has been an issue (Pat Washington), and still is (O-Line), but to say they have made it to the NFL despite the coaching they received on the Hill is stupid.
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I don't know about that. Do you think Meachem would be leaving early for the NFL if not for his new WR coach? If his career had continued on the same course it had been, I seriously doubt he or any of our other WRs would be drafted.
 
#27
#27
There is just no excuse to waste as many 5 star prospects and the like like we do.
 
#28
#28
blaker024 said:
There is just no excuse to waste as many 5 star prospects and the like like we do.
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In defense of our coaches, at least a few of them were legitimate busts that wouldn't have faired better at any other school. Still, there are some guys we definitely should have gotten to contribute more. Meachem comes to mind.
 
#29
#29
You really have to stay grounded. We had a good class in '02 and '04...now take a look back and see how the high-calibur players panned out. Sure, some of it is coaching, but its also just the nature of the beast...college is a very different ball game then high school, especially in the sec.

We've had some really bad flameouts in the last couple of years of highly recruited players...the J-train, James Banks, Morley, Schaeffer, some might even say Riggs Jr. And we've had some that reached their potential...Meachem for example. Its just a toss-up. 4 and 5-star talent is more likely to be good, but definately not a lock.

Its hard for me to imagine our offense not being dominant in a year or two. Not with all young playmakers we have at receiver and running back. But if Crompton or another qb doesnt develop, or our o-line doesnt get better, hell if Trooper or Cut leaves and we get a worse coach...there are just so many variables.

The biggest reason I wont say "well, with this talent we should be winning a sec cg or nc" is because if you take a look around, all the big sec programs did excellent. Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, all teams in our division, have top-10 classes. Lsu has a top-10 class, while Auburn and Alabama have top-25 classes. Thats a TON of talent in our league. So yeah, we got great players, but so did everyone else. I would say that we certainly are stocking the talent to make a run at something, but its not even close to a lock with as many talented teams as there are in the sec, and with as many good coaches in the sec.
 
#30
#30
Exactly right TH. You can't not develop talent that is flooding the NFL, but as a coaching staff you have to mesh all that talent into a scheme to utilize it to its potential, and I believe, and that we would all agree that is the weakness of this staff.
 
#31
#31
Just using Tinsley as one example, does anyone honestly think that young man was used to his full potential. And I do get sick of hearing "we've got to figure how to get this player, or that player on the field more, or get him the ball more."
 
#32
#32
kptvol said:
I don't know about that. Do you think Meachem would be leaving early for the NFL if not for his new WR coach? If his career had continued on the same course it had been, I seriously doubt he or any of our other WRs would be drafted.
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No, I was saying Pat Washington couldn't coach, and yes, some WR did make it to the NFL despite him being there, but to make lack of development a universal thing in our program is wrong.
 
#33
#33
The Dude said:
No, I was saying Pat Washington couldn't coach, and yes, some WR did make it to the NFL despite him being there, but to make lack of development a universal thing in our program is wrong.
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We do really well with linebackers and defensive linemen. Beyond that, we really haven't been consistently cranking out solid players at any position lately.
 
#34
#34
kptvol said:
We do really well with linebackers and defensive linemen. Beyond that, we really haven't been consistently cranking out solid players at any position lately.
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S Gabril Wilson
RB Travis Henry
RB Jamal Lewis
P Dustin Colquitt
OL Cosey Coleman
WR Eric Parker
WR Donte Stallworth
WR Cedric Wilson
TE Jason Witten

I consider all these guys to be solid NFL players. They all, I believe, were drafted since 2000.

It has been lacking lately, I do agree.
 
#35
#35
The Dude said:
S Gabril Wilson
RB Travis Henry
RB Jamal Lewis
P Dustin Colquitt
OL Cosey Coleman
WR Eric Parker
WR Donte Stallworth
WR Cedric Wilson
TE Jason Witten

I consider all these guys to be solid NFL players. They all, I believe, were drafted since 2000.

It has been lacking lately, I do agree.
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Guess Al Wilson is just terrible isn't he? Cedric Houston is being talked about as the Jets' new starter as well.
 
#36
#36
blaker024 said:
Guess Al Wilson is just terrible isn't he? Cedric Houston is being talked about as the Jets' new starter as well.
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Al Wilson was drafted before 2000. Houston wasn't all that productive at UT even though he was a four year starter. He had a great senior year, and some flashes of greatness, but overall, I wouldn't put him in the same league as Jamal Lewis or Travis Henry. However, Houston did have an undiagnosed thyroid condition that probably affected his physical ability.
 
#37
#37
The Dude said:
S Gabril Wilson
RB Travis Henry
RB Jamal Lewis
P Dustin Colquitt
OL Cosey Coleman
WR Eric Parker
WR Donte Stallworth
WR Cedric Wilson
TE Jason Witten

I consider all these guys to be solid NFL players. They all, I believe, were drafted since 2000.

It has been lacking lately, I do agree.
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Cedric Wilson and Eric Parker weren't all that solid at UT, so I don't think they really count as a testament to our player development.
 
#38
#38
blaker024 said:
Guess Al Wilson is just terrible isn't he? Cedric Houston is being talked about as the Jets' new starter as well.
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Al Wilson is a Pro-Bowler, but in my post, if you read it, it says "drafted SINCE 2000. Alfred was a 1999 first round pick.
 
#39
#39
The Dude said:
Al Wilson is a Pro-Bowler, but in my post, if you read it, it says "drafted SINCE 2000. Alfred was a 1999 first round pick.
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OH i thought you were naming all the good players and they just happend to be since 2000. My bad. Still only 1 year off though. :)
 
#40
#40
blaker024 said:
Guess Al Wilson is just terrible isn't he? Cedric Houston is being talked about as the Jets' new starter as well.
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Also, the point of his post was to bring up players that UT has produced that aren't linebackers or defensive linemen. I maintain that UT produces consistently good linebackers and d-line. Beyond that, it's pretty sporadic.
 
#41
#41
kptvol said:
Cedric Wilson and Eric Parker weren't all that solid at UT, so I don't think they really count as a testament to our player development.
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Why are you bitching about that? PAT WASHINGTON is gone. My point is, and has been, UT's OVERALL player development is GOOD. The NFL is THE ONLY measuring stick for college player development. You cannot go by what their Rival ranking were/are. We have put more players in the NFL than any team other than one.

Sure, there are AREAS where we should have been better, but how can you say it is lacking when WE HAVE PUT MORE PLAYERS IN THE NFL OTHER THAN ONE OTHER TEAM. I guess you think one team, and one team only, is good at developing talent.
 
#43
#43
The Dude said:
Why are you bitching about that? PAT WASHINGTON is gone. My point is, and has been, UT's OVERALL player development is GOOD. The NFL is THE ONLY measuring stick for college player development. You cannot go by what their Rival ranking were/are. We have put more players in the NFL than any team other than one.

Sure, there are AREAS where we should have been better, but how can you say it is lacking when WE HAVE PUT MORE PLAYERS IN THE NFL OTHER THAN ONE OTHER TEAM. I guess you think one team, and one team only, is good at developing talent.
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You can say that all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that UT is somewhat infamous for its inability to develop players. If you learn to read context, you'll notice that I haven't bitched about it or even agreed with that notion, at all. I've simply brought up a few examples to show that these claims have at least some merit. Seriously, just read the posts. You are the only one bitching.
 
#44
#44
kptvol said:
You can say that all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that UT is somewhat infamous for its inability to develop players. If you learn to read context, you'll notice that I haven't bitched about it or even agreed with that notion, at all. I've simply brought up a few examples to show that these claims have at least some merit. Seriously, just read the posts. You are the only one bitching.
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Like Jenna Jamieson is somewhat known for sex.

Like Bruce Parl is somewhat known for sweat.

Like NASA is somewhat known for crazy astronauts.
 
#48
#48
kptvol said:
You can say that all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that UT is somewhat infamous for its inability to develop players. If you learn to read context, you'll notice that I haven't bitched about it or even agreed with that notion, at all. I've simply brought up a few examples to show that these claims have at least some merit. Seriously, just read the posts. You are the only one bitching.
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Maybe you can give some actual examples of their lack of development. Eric Parker was on the same team as NFL players Kelley Washington and Donte Stallworth. I guess you expected 75 receptions. I remember Cedric Wilson being a pretty good player at UT, maybe you need to check your facts (See 3rd all time in catches at UT; 24 career TD's, that's 6 per year for you math majors). I guess my idea of what makes a good player is a little different than you.
 
#49
#49
The Dude said:
Maybe you can give some actual examples of their lack of development. Eric Parker was on the same team as NFL players Kelley Washington and Donte Stallworth. I guess you expected 75 receptions. I remember Cedric Wilson being a pretty good player at UT, maybe you need to check your facts (See 3rd all time in catches at UT; 24 career TD's, that's 6 per year for you math majors). I guess my idea of what makes a good player is a little different than you.
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I suppose it is always possible that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. If you aren't aware that UT is well-known for its lack of player development, you are living in a cave. I have no need to provide any more examples.
 
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