I'm ok with retaining Chaney under 2 conditions...

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37620VOL said:
1. Weinke is not retained. Find a good QB coach.

2. Someone forces him to dust off his notes and playbook from 2009. Steal and install Kiffin's offense. It was beautiful and simple. It scored points, it recruited, and it was simple so young recruits could get on the field as freshmen.
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Nope. UT needs a fresh start especially at OC. We need a fresh/innovative mind not a retread at the end of his career. The game has changed. It's passed Chaney by. Hell, Pruitt still thinks he's back at bama running those NFL level defenses winning games 21-3. Recognize the game and field you're playing on and adapt like Satan has done. UT needs fresh blood. I'd start at the AD spot and clean house. Bite the multi-million dollar bullet, rip the band-aide off and get started trying to bring this program back from the dead.
 
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Visiting Dawg said:
You realize he has produced more bottom 100 Os since his return from the NFL than top 25 Os, right. It's pretty simple with Chaney. You give him a NFL prospect at literally every position like he had in 2012 at UT and in 17 and 18 at UGA and you'll get a statistically decent O that blasts poor defenses and falls on it's face vs elite defenses. You give him average to above average talent that is in line with most SEC defenses and you get awful Os.
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You realize how salty you sound?
 
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CAVPUT said:
The game has changed. It's passed Chaney by. Hell, Pruitt still thinks he's back at bama running those NFL level defenses winning games 21-3.
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Chaney is 58 not 78. He's what 3 years removed from making Jake Fromm look like a Heisman candidate. He's not done and if we fire him today, he would have a power 5 job tomorrow.
 
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Stonewall83 said:
Chaney has been an above average coordinator at every stop.....


Until he had to coach JG.
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This is also one of his only stops without Sam Pittman. I don’t think it’s a coincidence Pittman is doing so well at Arkansas while Chaney’s offense looks lost.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Well yeah. And it’s a safe assumption, name another stop where Chaney is consistently calling running plays on third and long. He knows his QB can do nothing but harm the team if he puts it in the air but he’s stuck with him bc he’s “awesome in practice”.
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or because as we have all seen Maurer is horrible, shrout isnt ever gonna get a real fair shake, and bailey just got to UT.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Chaney or not, the realization that you need to migrate to a West Coast style spread offense to compete is becoming more and more of a reality (just look at bama, Ole Miss and Florida).

Great DCs like Pruitt, Smart and Muschamp can't stop them even with top level recruits.

Like the nfl, the rules now greatly favor offense over defense.
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1000% agree

"It used to be that good defense beats good offense. Good defense doesn't beat good offense anymore," Saban told ESPN. "It's just like last week. Georgia has as good a defense as we do an offense, and we scored 41 points on them [in a 41-24 Alabama win]. (Quote from 10-23-2020)

Saban: Offense, not defense, now wins games
 
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37620VOL said:
1. Weinke is not retained. Find a good QB coach.

2. Someone forces him to dust off his notes and playbook from 2009. Steal and install Kiffin's offense. It was beautiful and simple. It scored points, it recruited, and it was simple so young recruits could get on the field as freshmen.
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It’s so upsetting to think we are sticking with Weinke who can’t teach a QB to hit the ocean from the beach and we have Tee Martin on our staff that could take the reigns.
 
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We know from his previous stint here as OC with a good QB and receivers he can put points on the board. Lets see what he can do with a QB other than JG. He has been handicapped since his return.
 
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gregmaynard2 said:
You realize how salty you sound?
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Why would I be salty. You can go check the stats if you like and if you do, you will see that Chaney has indeed produce more Os ranked in the bottom 100 in ttl yrds and points that top 50 in those categories and he's never really coached a team with bottom 100 talent. He's simply not that good.
 
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37620VOL said:
1. Weinke is not retained. Find a good QB coach.

2. Someone forces him to dust off his notes and playbook from 2009. Steal and install Kiffin's offense. It was beautiful and simple. It scored points, it recruited, and it was simple so young recruits could get on the field as freshmen.
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I think it could be that JG is uncoachable..... for all we know Weinke could be a good coach. The mistakes JG is still making are those of a high school senior. You know damn well Weinke has told him hundreds of times not to stare down the receivers..... go watch the Auburn pick six..... bro .... that ain’t poor coaching.... that’s elementary
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Having Jeremy Pruitt as a HC isn't a good look. In fact, it's an embarrassment and disgrace we had to hire a guy with no HC experience who uses pre-elementary grammar
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Ironic this was dismissed as “down home, .folksy” when he was hired, but is now an issue. Pruitt was literally the 6th choice and we wonder why he is failing. This season had been built on the fools gold of last season. Playing an all conference schedule with no cupcakes to break up tough stretches has exposed this team.
 
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37620VOL said:
1. Weinke is not retained. Find a good QB coach.

2. Someone forces him to dust off his notes and playbook from 2009. Steal and install Kiffin's offense. It was beautiful and simple. It scored points, it recruited, and it was simple so young recruits could get on the field as freshmen.
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Let's try this first. Pruitt doesn't handcuff him concerning who starts at QB and what offensive philosophy they run?
 
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Steve_Smith89 said:
I think anyone could be "above average" by force feeding the ball to Nick Chubb / Sony Michel like Chaney did.

Chaney's scheme sucks in the modern era of football
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Chaney's "schemes" are pretty similar to what Bama and other top programs run right now. Pruitt made the call on who would be the starting QB and tasked Chaney/Weinke with getting blood from a turnip. Pruitt wants to "win with defense" or at least that's what he's tried so far. That means Chaney has to run a deliberate, run first O designed to eat clock... an O that must be among the nation's tops in 3rd down conversions and RZ touchdowns..... but neither of those is possible with JG and maybe not with any QB in today's game.

Chaney has been a successful OC at multiple stops. Pruitt does NOT have that kind of record as an HC. So where does the problem most likely lie?
 
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#68
Chaney, Weinke, and Chip Long were all successful in their respective positions until they worked for Pruitt.

As pass happy as Chaney has been in the past, I doubt he is running the pound the rock offense unless he is handcuffed by an inept HC or QB.

Most likely it is both.
 
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kbear01 said:
That kind of says it all. Give the man a damn QB!! Look what he did with Jake Fromm! He wasn't great! But Chaney made him look great! He was much better, with Chaney running the offense.
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Totally disagree
Fromm freshman to Fromm junior no comparison---regression
Became indecisive and thus late with ball and then lost accuracy
He also lost weapons in those years
Earlier post had Chaney spot on
Predictable and outdated
Plus he has no weapons and that not only QB
Georgia sure not crying when Chaney left
 
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sjt18 said:
Chaney's "schemes" are pretty similar to what Bama and other top programs run right now. Pruitt made the call on who would be the starting QB and tasked Chaney/Weinke with getting blood from a turnip. Pruitt wants to "win with defense" or at least that's what he's tried so far. That means Chaney has to run a deliberate, run first O designed to eat clock... an O that must be among the nation's tops in 3rd down conversions and RZ touchdowns..... but neither of those is possible with JG and maybe not with any QB in today's game.

Chaney has been a successful OC at multiple stops. Pruitt does NOT have that kind of record as an HC. So where does the problem most likely lie?
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Pruitt is the common denominator in his coaching staff’s failure. I fear he will scapegoat them and deflect blame instead of actually realizing he has to change or die
 
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