If Tennessee chooses state law over NIL pledge, it risks being kicked out of SEC

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loservol said:
Bama is looking forward to no longer having to play the Vols in the near future. Read Danny White's comments, appears a split from the SEC is imminent.

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Kicking the Tennessee Volunteers out of the SEC is getting serious

A few days ago, a suggestion that Greg Sankey should kick Tennessee out of the SEC was more fanciful than practical. While the Vols and their henchmen in the Te
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It's like the NCAA didn't learn anything. They blew up amateurism by failing to create a trust. And now they seem prepared to double down by colluding to restrict wages.

At the end of the day, even though it's Congress that's reaching a settlement with the NCAA it's not actually an act of Congress. In other words, it's not law. Tennessee is taking the right step to ensure it's prepared for the obvious order of events and dominoes that will fall next. If the NCAA and the SEC try to reduce its access to revenue and membership because we refused to sign onto violations of federal and state laws guess who's going to win that case?

The SEC is playing with fire. As is the NCAA.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Of course Mahomes doesn't affect the salary cap because there's nothing suspicious about it. But the NFL does have language in the CBA that prevents owners from trying to side step the salary cap by paying players abnormal money for off field work. It's part of the reason why this doesn't happen in the NFL.

(b) isn't saying they can't pay a player whatever they want, only that if the arbitrator rules against them it will count against the salary cap.


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Zero colleges buy a player. The current college salary cap is zero dollars.
 
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I have a legit question (I think), How can the University make such a decision as to sign an agreement that has been purposed? Doesn't the State of Tennessee actually own UT?
 
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Old Spice said:
isnt that the point to any vid put out?.. weird
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Yes, all they do is post what Vol quest and Vols 247 and several other sports media have said or written. Keep up with Vol quest and 247 and Basillo or Josh and Swain, and won't have to waste our time on those guys
 
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sami said:
Agree, but the 'ignore' feature was created and it tailor made for him and his ilk.
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No question about that. The Ignore button is your friend. Keeps you from having to read excess bull 💩. And that clown is one of the main suppliers of excess manure.
 
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Am I alone in thinking that both the “pledge” and the action of Tennessee’s state legislature are bad policy? One mistake compounds the other…
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Wrong. ANY NIL is legit as long as the athletes and the collective agree to the terms they decide for their contract.
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We'll have to disagree. NIL collectives are a sham, not legitimate in respect to what they are supposed to do which is generate revenue from the name, image and likeness of an athlete and pay the athlete for the revenues generated. Right now, they are just conduits for boosters to pay players indirectly, thus not legitimate, at least not by my way of thinking.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
"Legit" is a contract both agree to without duress.

You don't get to determine what's "legit" for a business, they do. For instance, was there a "legit" reason to pay Phil Fulmer the rest of his contract after he voluntarily stepped down as AD?

No. That wasn't pay for "legit" work either.
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We'll have to disagree. NIL collectives are a sham. They are supposed to pay players for revenues generated from their name, image and likeness. That is not happening. They are just conduits for boosters to pay players indirectly, thus not legitimate, at least not by my way of thinking.
 
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LAVol1 said:
We'll have to disagree. NIL collectives are a sham. They are supposed to pay players for revenues generated from their name, image and likeness. That is not happening. They are just conduits for boosters to pay players indirectly, thus not legitimate, at least not by my way of thinking.
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You'll find in life that lots of things "don't work the way they should" and you're exactly correct about collectives.

The NCAA fought to the death to keep NIL or any payments, revenue sharing, etc from college ball because they knew it would not "work the way it should" in a very big way.

Boosters have been paying players since before you were born so college ball has been "not working the way it should" for a long, long, long time.

Yes, NIL collectives are a sham and that's EXACTLY what they were formed to be by the schools and the boosters. We'll have to disagree about the definition of legitimate.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Zero colleges buy a player. The current college salary cap is zero dollars.
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Right. Currently it’s zero. If they take a route similar to the NFL when it’s all said and done and end up with an actual salary cap there may be things to in place to prevent pay for play under the guise of NIL. Similar to what I posted previously from the NFL cba.

Zero colleges are officially buying players but that’s exactly how NIL is being used. Whatever cookie shop it is that signs a deal with a Tennessee receiver for free cookies when he scores a touchdown is a great example of NIL. That’s NIL like Mahomes State Farm deal. Collectives signing deals with team specific players after getting direction from coaches is just paying players for performance under the guise of NIL. Might as well be a McDonalds bag with 50k in it. May not be illegal but it’s still buying players.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Right. Currently it’s zero. If they take a route similar to the NFL when it’s all said and done and end up with an actual salary cap there may be things to in place to prevent pay for play under the guise of NIL. Similar to what I posted previously from the NFL cba.

Zero colleges are officially buying players but that’s exactly how NIL is being used. Whatever cookie shop it is that signs a deal with a Tennessee receiver for free cookies when he scores a touchdown is a great example of NIL. That’s NIL like Mahomes State Farm deal. Collectives signing deals with team specific players after getting direction from coaches is just paying players for performance under the guise of NIL. Might as well be a McDonalds bag with 50k in it. May not be illegal but it’s still buying players.
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Buying players is exactly what pro leagues do. They negotiate and they pay based on the potential help a player may give their team.

Expecting a multi billion dollar sports industry like college sports to be amateur is ridiculous.

OF COURSE TALENT WILL BE BOUGHT. There's enormous money involved for these teams.

Acting like it's shocking that it's happening now is the most head in the sand thing you could do.
 
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LAVol1 said:
We'll have to disagree. NIL collectives are a sham, not legitimate in respect to what they are supposed to do which is generate revenue from the name, image and likeness of an athlete and pay the athlete for the revenues generated. Right now, they are just conduits for boosters to pay players indirectly, thus not legitimate, at least not by my way of thinking.
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NIL collectives pay based on what they think the value of the athlete is. If they want to pay a $$ Million for an occasional appearance, and they think it's fair market value, it's not a sham. It's perfectly legal. So say every federal court decision in the topic.
 
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ArmchairQB said:
Let me see if I've got this. Tennessee enacts legislation that's basically a safety valve, allowing its universities to act independently to ensure that we're not doing anything that falls afoul of antitrust concerns. So even if we're participants in something like the House settlement, we don't have to do something that Tennessee decides would be illegal and would be exposing itself to liability unnecessarily. Like, say, artificially imposing limits on income in a way that's considered to be restraint of trade.

Power conferences get wind of this and try to impose a loyalty pledge that would supersede state law (good luck with that). There's talk about kicking Tennessee out of the SEC if we refuse to play ball, because presumably the laws we enacted to ensure we're not compelled to do something illegal, are seen as being a way to allow us to circumvent any agreement and do whatever we want to one-up everyone else.

One side of this sounds a lot like collusion, like wmcovol said, just kicking the can down the road while some fundamental issues about the legality of externally controlling how much student athletes can earn remain unaddressed. And the other side sounds like us. Kudos to Bill Lee, Johnathan Skrmetti and anyone else involved, for having the cajones to take the "let's just rip this band aid off now" approach. Too bad it puts us front and center, again, but we're in the right here.
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Kick the can was something we all thought was fun in sixth and seventh grade. I guess some of the people in power thinking this crap up still want to play it. They may look grown up, but some small parts of their brains are still 11 or 12 years old. As for me I think about what 1 Corinthians 13 says.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
All kinds of NFL coaches and players have NIL contracts. Patrick Mahomes' State Farm NIL is an example. It doesn't affect any salary cap a whit.

The current CFB salary cap is zero dollars.
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Of course pro players get NIL money, as it has been for years, but this money comes directly from contracts with businesses. In college now this often is arranged through donor run "collectives", the difference being that there are no such donor run "collectives" in pro sports.
 
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TVOL71 said:
I do think that there needs to be some kind of control, perhaps something similar to an NFL type salary cap except that the NFL does not have NIL "collectives" to deal with, however I hope when the other schools see this they are reminded of the situation with Tennessee and Nico where the NCAA tried to retroactively enforce a rule on Tennessee that did not exist when the act occurred. With this rule a school would have no choice but to accept a blatant NCAA (or SEC) abuse of power. Ridiculous in my opinion, can't understand why any school would agree to that, so that is not the answer.
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Are pro athletes allowed to sign marketing agreements with sponsors like oh say nike or kellogg, or a shampoo company, etc? Are those deals limited/controlled/capped? Are they collectively bargained?
 
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The SEC hasn’t been the “SEC” since 1990, or 2012 at the latest. The NCAA has been dysfunctional for decades. College football is no longer an amateur sport. And the Tooth Fairy does not exist.

None of it affects my mortgage payment, so in the end I care…and I don’t. Mostly don’t. I’ve learned how to do other things with my fall Saturdays besides watch a game I seem to enjoy less every year.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
NIL collectives pay based on what they think the value of the athlete is. If they want to pay a $$ Million for an occasional appearance, and they think it's fair market value, it's not a sham. It's perfectly legal. So say every federal court decision in the topic.
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I see your point, but perfectly legal and sham are not mutually exclusive. It is in the spirit of NIL for a player to sell his NIL rights to the collective, and get fair market value for that transaction. But, the collectives don't expect to recoup their investment from selling the player's NIL. They are merely a conduit for boosters to pay a player "legally". Thus, the collective is a sham for boosters/fans to buy players, not really a NIL deal.
 
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