If Tennessee chooses state law over NIL pledge, it risks being kicked out of SEC

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Voltopia said:
For a handful of schools, there is some profit in some years, but the vast majority of Division 1 college athletic programs lose money. And even the biggest programs lose money some years.

The tired and constant accusation of schools making mountains of profit for people has always been, mostly, misleading and emotional. The schools invest almost everything back into the athletics programs. Coaches and ADs were overpaid, to be sure, because it was the only thing schools could waste money to compete on without running afoul of the NCAA's regulations. We can thank the Jimmy Sextons of the world - and Jimmy Sexton in particular - for that.
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They are making profit. Have you noticed how convenient it is for schools to make as much revenue as their expenses? It is eerie how schools are able to spend all the extra money they are making, almost to the dollar.

The real answer is that these are public institutions who typically spend as much as they make in every aspect. Being nonprofits, they have to spend all the money they make.

It is silly to think the schools lose money on athletics. Plus, this also does not fully account for the other benefits of having on campus mega events like Tennessee home football games (such as mega donations that are not included in the "profit" metrics for athletics).
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Lease the rights, collect a check, avoid the hassle of owning. That's what I envision.

I'm not an attorney and I think the Packers are a pro team run as a non-profit but I recall reading that legal issues with the school and owning a pro team exist. I am not certain of the specifics.

Besides that, why the heck should a university own a couple of pro sports franchises?

Edit: researching a little, one sticking point seems to be that universities are run tax free but owning a pro franchise and being tax free is apparently a bit problematic. Again, I'm not an attorney and certainly not a tax accountant.
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Tennessee isn't going to lease the rights when they are making money hand over fist. Why let a 3rd party milk your cash cow?
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
Tennessee isn't going to lease the rights when they are making money hand over fist. Why let a 3rd party milk your cash cow?
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Again, legal issues related to the non profit status of the school.

There are also Title IX issues related to paying men and women that apply for the school but not for another owner.

There is also the problem of does UT simply drop all sports except football, baseball and basketball or do they risk being sued by the inevitable player's union for not paying other athletes like tennis, swimming, etc.

Spinning the revenue sports off via lease to be run by someone other than UT allows for the check to still come to support other sports without having the legal issues of owning a few pro sports franchises while trying to deal with your non profit and Title IX status as an educational institution.
 
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GoVols9800 said:
Volnation, do ur thang! This clown needs to feel our wrath.


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No. It's some throwaway site built to check a box for some "national network" of websites for college sports programs. Their commentary is meaningless drivel. Ignore it.

Seriously. Their entire goal is to write incendiary outrage bait articles so they can get clicks. If you despise them, the best thing you can do is ignore their pathetic "article."
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Again, legal issues related to the non profit status of the school.

There are also Title IX issues related to paying men and women that apply for the school but not for another owner.

There is also the problem of does UT simply drop all sports except football, baseball and basketball or do they risk being sued by the inevitable player's union for not paying other athletes like tennis, swimming, etc.

Spinning the revenue sports off via lease to be run by someone other than UT allows for the check to still come to support other sports without having the legal issues of owning a few pro sports franchises while trying to deal with your non profit and Title IX status as an educational institution.
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Yep. And I literally despise this but it's hard to see another option playing out especially with so many egos involved.
 
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UT97Vol said:
Yep. And I literally despise this but it's hard to see another option playing out especially with so many egos involved.
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If the House settlement goes through, it MIGHT calm things for a bit as long as the NCAA doesn't actually try to have someone police outside NIL.

Short of Congress authorizing the NCAA to put up some guardrails on NIL and transfers via an Antitrust Exemption for college football, it's going to continue to be a free for all.

Seeing KY spin their Athletic Dept off as an LLC is probably their strategy for trying to keep away from the coming lawsuits when the NCAA attempts to use a "clearinghouse" to approve NIL. UT has taken the State Law route to protect the school from the lawsuits.

My uneducated guess is that it's like the run up to a war, everyone is getting positioned so they'll be ready when it starts.

I'd say within weeks of House being approved, the NCAA and schools will be sued on Antitrust grounds for colluding to keep players from being able to earn NIL money freely. The schools all want to hang the lawsuits on the NCAA, not them.
 
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I do think that there needs to be some kind of control, perhaps something similar to an NFL type salary cap except that the NFL does not have NIL "collectives" to deal with, however I hope when the other schools see this they are reminded of the situation with Tennessee and Nico where the NCAA tried to retroactively enforce a rule on Tennessee that did not exist when the act occurred. With this rule a school would have no choice but to accept a blatant NCAA (or SEC) abuse of power. Ridiculous in my opinion, can't understand why any school would agree to that, so that is not the answer.
 
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loservol said:
If TN signs the pledge and steps back in line, then you are right, and it won't happen.
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Tennessee can sign pledges all day, it won't matter if it violates state law. It is uneforceable. It is basically the same effect as entering a contract with a minor. SEC will lose. I say Tennessee sign it and then not abide by it. Nothing SEC can do.

NCAA is dumb as crap. I think they want out, no body of this size and stature is this incompetent. If NCAA wants power back, they need to talk to Congress and get a law pass (or amendment to Anti-Trust Act).
 
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TVOL71 said:
I do think that there needs to be some kind of control, perhaps something similar to an NFL type salary cap except that the NFL does not have NIL "collectives" to deal with, however I hope when the other schools see this they are reminded of the situation with Tennessee and Nico where the NCAA tried to retroactively enforce a rule on Tennessee that did not exist when the act occurred. With this rule a school would have no choice but to accept a blatant NCAA (or SEC) abuse of power. Ridiculous in my opinion, can't understand why ancurrr y school would agree to that, so that is not the answer.
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All kinds of NFL coaches and players have NIL contracts. Patrick Mahomes' State Farm NIL is an example. It doesn't affect any salary cap a whit.

The current CFB salary cap is zero dollars.
 
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onevol74 said:
If our lawyers can nail the NCAA to the cross, then why would the small minds in Birmingham even be a challenge? We would use the same principles that were used in the Supreme Court case and it would be over.
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It's all sour milk with The Gumps. Cheating had been their competitive edge since Bryant. Some years they were good at it. Some they weren't. In the era of the NIL they can't horde talent. Saban knew that that's why he retired.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
Honestly I'm starting to see why ND has chosen to remain Independent.
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They never risk losing a conference championship game.

They get 100% of the TV money from their home games.

They are the only university with their own TV contract.

They get orefere tial treatment for the FBS playoffs.

They would be crazy to give that up.
 
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wmcovol said:
The House settlement is another example of “kicking the can down the road” which is all the NCAA has ever been capable of doing. The Tennessee law basically brings this to the conclusion where the world will be after 5+ years of ligation & hundreds of millions wasted on legal fees.

I really believe Sankey & Big10 commissioner prefer the Tennessee law but politics with other members require they stay patient. I read last week a comment from Sankey that the “NCAA may be outta college football soon”. “Soon” may be defined in months or years, but if the NCAA holds to their “no pay for play” stance, it may be the shorter end of soon. What they’re trying to do now is perpetuate a lie. It’s always been pay for play.
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The sooner, the better. The National Communists Against Athletes should stick to running their basketball tournament and non-revenue sports.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
All kinds of NFL coaches and players have NIL contracts. Patrick Mahomes' State Farm NIL is an example. It doesn't affect any salary cap a whit.

The current CFB salary cap is zero dollars.
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Of course Mahomes doesn't affect the salary cap because there's nothing suspicious about it. But the NFL does have language in the CBA that prevents owners from trying to side step the salary cap by paying players abnormal money for off field work. It's part of the reason why this doesn't happen in the NFL.

(b) isn't saying they can't pay a player whatever they want, only that if the arbitrator rules against them it will count against the salary cap.


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