If Tennessee chooses state law over NIL pledge, it risks being kicked out of SEC

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hog88 said:
True, NCAA can’t control those groups but they can ban member institutions from coordinating, consulting with or associating with booster collectives.
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I believe that's part of why they aren't connected to the schools. Spyre, technically, is separate from the school and the NCAA would be stuck proving otherwise. Tennessee, the state, sued the NCAA over enforcing booster issues concerning Nico's private flight from CA and the NCAA folded.

The NCAA wants no part of getting sued AGAIN because they're illegally restricting players from making money via NIL. They've lost almost every NIL enforcement lawsuit.
 
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So they expect this loyalty document to have any legally binding effect over any school in the conference? How is that any different than NCAA rules about eligibility and NIL?
 
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After getting burned by Nico's camp, you think UT would just be ready to help bury all this NIL nonsense and sign the stupid loyalty pledge. TN can't outbid Texas, Oregon, Ohio and Michigan for All-Star recruits.

Now that the SEC has Texas and Oklahoma, Sankey could care less if TN is in the SEC or not.
 
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roberthunter said:
Pledge sheet to play football, you say?

I may play ball next fall, but I will never sign that. Now me and my loser friends are gonna head out to buy Aerosmith tickets. Top priority of the summer.
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I would absolutely kill to be rolling down an empty Texas highway early on a Saturday morning with my buddies and jamming out to Slow Ride right about now.
 
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Voltopia said:
I don't get how the "loyalty document" is any different from the prior eligibility enforcement conducted by the NCAA, which the Supreme Court struck down in prior judgments.

If the schools were allowed to agree to rules of conduct that compelled limits on compensation or payment or whatever else people want to be allowed to do, then none of this idiocy, the NIL stuff, the transfer nonsense - none of it - would have ever been a problem. Simply implementing the old one-year-wait-for-eligibility rule for transfers would address so much of this madness. But I thought anything of that nature was going to get the pants sued off it.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the schools agree to a competitive framework that reined in this incredibly filthy race to the bottom, but I don't see how anything doesn't just strengthen the anti-trust argument further.
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A "loyalty" document produced to be signed under duress by threat of expulsion and intentionally to override state law which it can't, seems like a massive law suit where Tennessee ends up owning the SEC if they are expelled. I say let them give it their best shot. I look forward to Danny White running the SEC office out of Knoxville.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I believe that's part of why they aren't connected to the schools. Spyre, technically, is separate from the school and the NCAA would be stuck proving otherwise. Tennessee, the state, sued the NCAA over enforcing booster issues concerning Nico's private flight from CA and the NCAA folded.

The NCAA wants no part of getting sued AGAIN because they're illegally restricting players from making money via NIL. They've lost almost every NIL enforcement lawsuit.
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What is "separate" or "connected" legally? Genuine question. Not being a smarta$$.

Does Spyre represent any athletes from other SEC schools? Big Ten schools? Any schools out west? How do they determine how much players get paid and which players to pay more or not pay more when demanded? Are those decisions not coming from the coaching staff? Did Spyre solely choose not to up Nico's pay or did they coordinate that with Heupel? Not really a question for Spyre but collectives as a whole. Does the Ohio St collective represent anyone other than Ohio St players? Does Georgia's collective represent anyone other than Georgia players? How much coordination is going on for player NIL deals? If a collective were truly "separate" it would make those decisions independently I'd think. But I don't think anyone realistically believes that's what is happening. Collectives aren't offering contracts to players that don't play sports at their school. They may not be officially part of a school, but they are on the puppet strings being controlled by the school are they not? Or am I wrong about everything? I've never seen a clear breakdown in how they operate.

And let me follow that with don't take my questions as a desire for any additional or new regulation. Just talking.
 
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TheDeeble said:
What is "separate" or "connected" legally? Genuine question. Not being a smarta$$.

Does Spyre represent any athletes from other SEC schools? Big Ten schools? Any schools out west? How do they determine how much players get paid and which players to pay more or not pay more when demanded? Are those decisions not coming from the coaching staff? Did Spyre solely choose not to up Nico's pay or did they coordinate that with Heupel? Not really a question for Spyre but collectives as a whole. Does the Ohio St collective represent anyone other than Ohio St players? Does Georgia's collective represent anyone other than Georgia players? How much coordination is going on for player NIL deals? If a collective were truly "separate" it would make those decisions independently I'd think. But I don't think anyone realistically believes that's what is happening. Collectives aren't offering contracts to players that don't play sports at their school. They may not be officially part of a school, but they are on the puppet strings being controlled by the school are they not? Or am I wrong about everything? I've never seen a clear breakdown in how they operate.

And let me follow that with don't take my questions as a desire for any additional or new regulation. Just talking.
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I'm not at all suggesting Spyre is NOT the NIL wing of UT Athletics. It is. I am suggesting the NCAA is toothless to regulate whatever close relationship a school has with their collective.

I recall reading that they've essentially closed their NIL policing office. The NCAA can't stop the collectives and schools from doing whatever they wish related to NIL.

They make it seem like the House Settlement will allow them to "control NIL so that it reflects actual market value" but I've not seen the players agree to that and THEY sign the deals with companies the NCAA cannot police. The NCAA may control the school based NIL/revenue sharing but they're asking to be sued if they try to tell a student they cannot sign an external NIL with a company.

The schools ARE going to continue to use NIL to recruit regardless of the school based NIL limit. Schools are NOT going to tell a player they really want "we're sorry but we're at our NCAA cap for NIL and can't give you anything else."

External NIL will be there and just like now the NCAA cannot legally police non school businesses nor prevent players from making NIL money with those collectives which can maintain "plausible deniability" that they are not controlled by the school. They've already lost those lawsuits.
 
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To troll, Tennessee and Vandy should rejoin the Southern Conference and invite Alabama, Kentucky, North Carolina, Virginia, Tulane, Sewanee, and other potential ACC or SEC holdouts to join. It could be 1932 all over again. Heck, let's get 30-40 teams in it. Perhaps reignite the Cumberland University vs Georgia Tech football rivalry.
 
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volbound1700 said:
To troll, Tennessee and Vandy should rejoin the Southern Conference and invite Alabama, Kentucky, North Carolina, Virginia, Tulane, Sewanee, and other potential ACC or SEC holdouts to join. It could be 1932 all over again. Heck, let's get 30-40 teams in it. Perhaps reignite the Cumberland University vs Georgia Tech football rivalry.
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I'm just here for the Cumberland vs GT shout-out lol


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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
They'd likely get sued because the NCAA cannot likely legally control groups like Spyre nor the private contracts they sign or facilitate.

That's what was at the core of NIL. The NCAA can't stop players from getting NIL. They certainly can't stop businesses not bound by the NCAA from forming to facilitate NIL.
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Exactly right. They have already been bitrneed in the Alston, O'Bannon, and Tennessee/Virginia cases in this exact thing.

They're getting sued by Reggie Bush and others for it, too. They've lost 100% of every related cases.
 
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hog88 said:
It would be legit for the NCAA to ban booster collectives. Players would still be free to make as much as they can from their NIL, they would just have to find them on their own.
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No it wouldn't. That would violate the Sherman Antitrust Act and several federal court decisions. It would also violate the Interstate Commerce Act if the collective contract involved a player from a different state.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Are the conferences trying to make NIL deals legit? As of right now, NIL is a total sham. IF it's a legit transaction, the collective should expect to receive revenue from the player's NIL thru autographs, photo ops, and personal appearances, recouping its costs or making a profit. That is not what is happening. Players are getting paid and the collective gets little or nothing in return from the athlete. Therefore, NIL is a complete sham and should be reigned in or eliminated entirely.
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Wrong. ANY NIL is legit as long as the athletes and the collective agree to the terms they decide for their contract.
 
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loservol said:
After getting burned by Nico's camp, you think UT would just be ready to help bury all this NIL nonsense and sign the stupid loyalty pledge. TN can't outbid Texas, Oregon, Ohio and Michigan for All-Star recruits.

Now that the SEC has Texas and Oklahoma, Sankey could care less if TN is in the SEC or not.
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Same thing I was thinking. Why are we willing to die on the hill from something we're not even benefiting from? We've proven we're not a wealthy enough program to buy our way into recruiting success like the elite programs. I could see Texas or Oregon doing this but why Tennessee?

We must have morons running the university. Cause us fighting for NIL to be unregulated makes no sense when we don't benefit from it.
 
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