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#52
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VOLINVONORE said:
LOL Perhaps you did not watch the pregame shoe and the ballgame. Maybe you need therapy glasses more than I or anyone else does.
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I watched every bit of it. Before, during, and after. I just don't subscribe to the idea that the announcers have any vested interest in the outcome of a college basketball game in November. None of those guys have an affiliation with Baylor.
They aren't the boogeyman. Just because the pregame guys picked a winner and it wasn't your team doesn't mean they actively were rooting against Tennessee. This is such a fictional narrative. If it helps you to sleep believeing that it's Tennessee against the world, then that's your decision, I guess.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I watched every bit of it. Before, during, and after. I just don't subscribe to the idea that the announcers have any vested interest in the outcome of a college basketball game in November. None of those guys have an affiliation with Baylor.
They aren't the boogeyman. Just because the pregame guys picked a winner and it wasn't your team doesn't mean they actively were rooting against Tennessee. This is such a fictional narrative. If it helps you to sleep believeing that it's Tennessee against the world, then that's your decision, I guess.
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I usually don’t either, but both my wife and me noticed it against Baylor. It seemed they were not giving much credit to Tennessee by saying Baylor was tried because they had to play an extra ten minutes of overtime. Fact is, they had the opportunity to to get 2-3 hours of rest while Tennessee was -laying the last game the night before. If Baylor was tired, it would likely be they are not yet in tip top physical condition. I think Baylor has a good basketball team, and they do not need the commentators making excuses for them falling behind by 28 points.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I watched every bit of it. Before, during, and after. I just don't subscribe to the idea that the announcers have any vested interest in the outcome of a college basketball game in November. None of those guys have an affiliation with Baylor.
They aren't the boogeyman. Just because the pregame guys picked a winner and it wasn't your team doesn't mean they actively were rooting against Tennessee. This is such a fictional narrative. If it helps you to sleep believeing that it's Tennessee against the world, then that's your decision, I guess.
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It's ridiculous how social media has exposed the hypersensitive, thin skins in ours' and others' fan bases
 
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cncchris33 said:
I watched every bit of it. Before, during, and after. I just don't subscribe to the idea that the announcers have any vested interest in the outcome of a college basketball game in November. None of those guys have an affiliation with Baylor.
They aren't the boogeyman. Just because the pregame guys picked a winner and it wasn't your team doesn't mean they actively were rooting against Tennessee. This is such a fictional narrative. If it helps you to sleep believeing that it's Tennessee against the world, then that's your decision, I guess.
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Preach
 
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I don’t subscribe to the “they’re the boogeyman out to get us” either, but the CB geniuses 100% used that tired excuse after the game. Can someone from the to be fair or keeping it real crowd please remind us the last time an excuse was given for our bball team? They flew from Hawaii to UNC last year w a day in between. Iirc don’t remember that mentioned let alone used as an excuse.
 
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volfanhill said:
Well that wouldn't have had impact on the legs. But yes they were dumb with their oh poor Baylor. They played 10 more minutes of basketball
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It absolutely would have had impact on their legs. Why do you care anyway what analysts are saying? Our damn fanbase is so damn sensitive and worried about stupid $hit. We won, that's all that matters. Dammit man!
 
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Not buying the "Tired Legs" BS. These guys are all in incredible shape and are in the early stages of their "prime". It's still very early in the season (so they don't have the wear and tear on the body as they would later). Honestly these guys could play two games in a day and not have much of a drop off.
 
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All Vol! said:
Thanks, I do. Just seems you’re working awfully hard to defend the Baylor side when there is at least an equal argument to be made in favor of our Vols in this regard. But hey, your post is your nickel.
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People are always saying "why can't we just disagree and that's ok" and here's a great example why. @cncchris33 simply gave more context and played devil's advocate a bit, and you turned it into he was "working awfully hard to defend the Baylor side". No he wasn't, you're the one who got your knickers in a twist that he had the nerve to not agree with you 100%.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm tired of defending my position on the matter. I'll just concede. CBS hates us, ESPN hates us, MSNBC hates us, CMT hates us, PBS hates us, Al Jazeera hates us, Channel 1 hates us.
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The funniest part of all this, is some of these people that always post stuff like this about how everyone is against us are the same that probably complain that people are too soft nowadays.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
People are always saying "why can't we just disagree and that's ok" and here's a great example why. @cncchris33 simply gave more context and played devil's advocate a bit, and you turned it into he was "working awfully hard to defend the Baylor side". No he wasn't, you're the one who got your knickers in a twist that he had the nerve to not agree with you 100%.
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VolsSportsFan said:
The funniest part of all this, is some of these people that always post stuff like this about how everyone is against us are the same that probably complain that people are too soft nowadays.
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This board is now so delusionally biased that objective critical discussions are virtually extinct.

-Any commentator or network that stops short of showering praise on us is obviously conspiring against us
-Any contact that happens in a game is a foul on the other team
-When we lose a game or do not play up to par, Barnes shoulders absolutely 0 responsibility
-Tennessee basketball will never again be as good as it is now, so you're wrong if you're disappointed with anything

Everyone knows our program and coach are peaking, and we've had unprecedented success over the last few years. God forbid if anyone or anything else steals our spotlight or makes a criticism.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
This board is now so delusionally biased that objective critical discussions are virtually extinct.

-Any commentator or network that stops short of showering praise on us is obviously conspiring against us
-Any contact that happens in a game is a foul on the other team
-When we lose a game or do not play up to par, Barnes shoulders absolutely 0 responsibility
-Tennessee basketball will never again be as good as it is now, so you're wrong if you're disappointed with anything

Everyone knows our program and coach are peaking, and we've had unprecedented success over the last few years. God forbid if anyone or anything else steals our spotlight or makes a criticism.
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Unfortunately I think that this is as good as it will be for several generations if not forever. But not by every measure. I think that there will be some FFs even if it’s after Barnes. But the holiday tournament championships, SEC championships, and top 5/10/25 AP rankings might never be matched.

What bothers me the most about the refs is the inconsistency. Especially when we get a couple of players sitting out after picking up 2 or 3 esrly fouls and then nothing gets called in the second half.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
This board is now so delusionally biased that objective critical discussions are virtually extinct.

-Any commentator or network that stops short of showering praise on us is obviously conspiring against us
-Any contact that happens in a game is a foul on the other team
-When we lose a game or do not play up to par, Barnes shoulders absolutely 0 responsibility
-Tennessee basketball will never again be as good as it is now, so you're wrong if you're disappointed with anything

Everyone knows our program and coach are peaking, and we've had unprecedented success over the last few years. God forbid if anyone or anything else steals our spotlight or makes a criticism.
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I think the problem is there are instances of truth in all of those. I think the refs in college basketball is wildly inconsistent. I thought the second half against Baylor the refs were terrible and were letting them get away with a lot, just like they did against St. John's. I think there are instances where the announcers do pump up the other team.

But the idea that there's some grand scheme of conspiracy against us by every network, every ref, every NCAA official is just so patently stupid and illogical. And it's exhausting how much pissing and moaning people around here do it. LIke if I really believed all that then I'd stop watching.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Unfortunately I think that this is as good as it will be for several generations if not forever. But not by every measure. I think that there will be some FFs even if it’s after Barnes. But the holiday tournament championships, SEC championships, and top 5/10/25 AP rankings might never be matched.

What bothers me the most about the refs is the inconsistency. Especially when we get a couple of players sitting out after picking up 2 or 3 esrly fouls and then nothing gets called in the second half.
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I can agree that officiating consistency is not great in several instances. I remember a discussion here on this topic not too long ago that I thought was just bizarre. A few posters were saying pretty much exactly what you're saying now in that calls are often inconsistent within a game as it progresses. Some poster who claimed to be a ref chimed in and explained (in a nutshell) that he/ other refs make halftime adjustments too, which affects the whistle in the second half. The bizarre part, imo, was the response to this explanation. The post got several likes, and the replies were supportive...that response from the board did not make sense to me. If I was following along correctly, this guy pretty much confirmed that officiating is deliberately inconsistent, and the board somehow took that as a satisfactory explanation to their complaints. Of course, I may have misinterpreted.

I personally don't expect perfect officiating, but I definitely do not agree with the "halftime adjustments" that quite literally change the dynamics of play. Imo, refs should just try to make the correct calls to the best of their abilities. Changing what does or doesn't constitute a foul in the middle of a game is closer to cheating than trying to improve the quality imo.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think the problem is there are instances of truth in all of those. I think the refs in college basketball is wildly inconsistent. I thought the second half against Baylor the refs were terrible and were letting them get away with a lot, just like they did against St. John's. I think there are instances where the announcers do pump up the other team.

But the idea that there's some grand scheme of conspiracy against us by every network, every ref, every NCAA official is just so patently stupid and illogical. And it's exhausting how much pissing and moaning people around here do it. LIke if I really believed all that then I'd stop watching.
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And in this particular instance, all the announcers did was acknowledge that Baylor played a more competitive game the day before, and had to play 10 additional minutes of game time while clawing back from 18 points to do it, and that it may have taken a physical and emotional toll on them. And when you get blasted by 27 points in one half, it lends credence to the idea that one team was a little fresher, even if they were ALSO just the better team.

At no point did I ever hear them say it's why they lost. That's an interpretation from a battered fan perspective that is translated into a victim mindset.

Now, did they camp on that idea like announcers tend to do as a talking point sometimes? Maybe so. It happens (Cade Klubnik is a freshman, Ryan Williams is 17 years old, etc.) At some point, in a 27-pt blowout, you have to manufacture those talking points, and they try to find ways to explain why a game that was believed to be very competitive coming in was so one-sided. They also talked about Chaz Lanier ad nauseum, too. It wasn't all just "poor Baylor".
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I can agree that officiating consistency is not great in several instances. I remember a discussion here on this topic not too long ago that I thought was just bizarre. A few posters were saying pretty much exactly what you're saying now in that calls are often inconsistent within a game as it progresses. Some poster who claimed to be a ref chimed in and explained (in a nutshell) that he/ other refs make halftime adjustments too, which affects the whistle in the second half. The bizarre part, imo, was the response to this explanation. The post got several likes, and the replies were supportive...that response from the board did not make sense to me. If I was following along correctly, this guy pretty much confirmed that officiating is deliberately inconsistent, and the board somehow took that as a satisfactory explanation to their complaints. Of course, I may have misinterpreted.

I personally don't expect perfect officiating, but I definitely do not agree with the "halftime adjustments" that quite literally change the dynamics of play. Imo, refs should just try to make the correct calls to the best of their abilities. Changing what does or doesn't constitute a foul in the middle of a game is closer to cheating than trying to improve the quality imo.
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I guess they sometimes need a quick whistle if play is too rough and then I’m sure that they don’t want to foul anybody out if they can help it. But it gets hard to watch if players don’t respond and continue beating up on each other.

Another inconsistency that bothers me is the early season “emphasis” on certain rules. They seem to often change that philosophy mid-season.
 
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The broadcast crew pissed me off with the interview of the Bahama tourism guy for the entire segment from 16:00 to 12:00. But that wasn’t the announcer’s call. The producers dictated that slop. I assume that it was a requirement as part of the sponsorship deal.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The broadcast crew pissed me off with the interview of the Bahama tourism guy for the entire segment from 16:00 to 12:00. But that wasn’t the announcer’s call. The producers dictated that slop. I assume that it was a requirement as part of the sponsorship deal.
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Mostly likely since every bowl game and all they interview some person from the sponsor company. I don't mind a quick interview but an entire segment from one commercial break to another was overkill. If he was crazy entertaining or had great stories or something, that would be one thing. But he was pretty dull and ran out of things to talk about after like 3 minutes.
 
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cncchris33 said:
And in this particular instance, all the announcers did was acknowledge that Baylor played a more competitive game the day before, and had to play 10 additional minutes of game time while clawing back from 18 points to do it, and that it may have taken a physical and emotional toll on them. And when you get blasted by 27 points in one half, it lends credence to the idea that one team was a little fresher, even if they were ALSO just the better team.

At no point did I ever hear them say it's why they lost. That's an interpretation from a battered fan perspective that is translated into a victim mindset.

Now, did they camp on that idea like announcers tend to do as a talking point sometimes? Maybe so. It happens (Cade Klubnik is a freshman, Ryan Williams is 17 years old, etc.) At some point, in a 27-pt blowout, you have to manufacture those talking points, and they try to find ways to explain why a game that was believed to be very competitive coming in was so one-sided. They also talked about Chaz Lanier ad nauseum, too. It wasn't all just "poor Baylor".
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These people also either don't realize or ignore that part of the job of the announcers is to try to keep interest. We were never in doubt of losing that game in reality and the announcers being on CBS SN were already low on the announcer team list. But they are supposed to try to keep people from changing the channel and sometimes that means trying to act like "Hey this game ain't over" even if it pretty much probably is. It's not a "LET'S PISS OFF TENNESSEE FANS".

And the same people ignore when said networks and all give us all kind of props and praise. But that doesn't fit a victim narrative.
 
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