I think we will have over 40 commits

#78
#78
1-2 kids won't qualify.
A couple more will look around once they see who all they will be behind.
Someone will grey shirt.

There will be 30 signees
 
#81
#81
By reading the NCAA Manual it is clear that Bruin is correct. You can google "NCAA Bylaws" and read them yourselves. The term counter is used in the bylaw when referencing the number of scholarships per year and how how they are accounted for. While there is a separate section on NLI and how they factor into the equation the verbiage is clear about the 25 scholarship limit per year and if a player is given an athletic scholarship then he is a counter towards the 85 or an initial counter if he is coming to FBS division.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf
 
#82
#82
I guess I'm confused about what the SEC rule is that is more strict than the NCAA rule. Is it just a limit on the number you can backcount but doesn't effect us because we can only backcount 5 per NCAA rules?
 
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#83
tn4elvis said:
The guys signing the Loi now in this year will not count in the feb thru may signing period.In the past u could only sign 25 in any given 12 month period.Thus all our ee and legacys sign now so they wont count against the 25 in feb.Little loop hole.But we can only have 85 total.Its kinda like an early signing period they use in college bball
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This just isn't true. Sorry.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
I guess I'm confused about what the SEC rule is that is more strict than the NCAA rule. Is it just a limit on the number you can backcount but doesn't effect us because we can only backcount 5 per NCAA rules?
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I think the only difference is limiting the signing of NLIs. NCAA allows for 28(I think) but the SEC 25 rule protects 3 more kids from signing and then being cut lose because only 25 can enroll.
 
#86
#86
Out of Butch's own mouth:
Tennessee Football @Vol_Football
JONES: We will sign 30 individuals in this class. You will see some taller corners and safeties in the class.
8:16 PM - 16 Oct 2013

This loophole idea is grasping at straws guys, it's not going to happen. We're going to have to ask some guys to look around if we get many more commits and that's as simple as it is.
 
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VOL61 said:
There is a poster on TOS that i believe has figured out what our plan is with recruiting....

The rule is you can only have 25 signed letters of intent between the months of Feb through may. The rule also has you can't have over 18 Early Entries...

If you have noticed we are going to have a high # of early Entries in this class. The thing is the letter of intent. You can only have 25 per. The LOI protects the school from the kid walking away.... but the rule doesnt seem to apply to grants-in-aid. If they are not publicized between Feb - May period....

We had 4 players sign grants-in-aid this weekend. Hurd, Thomas, Moseley, & Blair. So they would not count towards the 25 LOI rule.... I think we will see several more legacy kids and kids that are going to be EE get grants-in-aid. where this would not protect the school in the kid leaving it would allow you to flip the roster alot more quickly... The thing is the 85 rule still applys to your overall limit....

So alot of kids would have to leave the program...
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You can still move kids back to the practice squad if they haven't been given scollys.
 
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BruinVol said:
NCAA Bylaw 15.5.6.1 limits FBS football programs to a total number of scholarships to 85 "counters" annually including 25 scholarships for "initial counters." Counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3) are individuals who are receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport, initial counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3.1) are individuals who are receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time.



A grant and aid would count as an initial counter regardless if they sign an NLI
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Not if the aid isn't athletic in nature, and football specific. There are thousands if kids at UT on financial aid, but this doesn't affect football. If the aid is a grant or for academic reasons, then the said player would be considered a walk on, not a scholarship player.
 
#93
#93
Correct me if I am wrong, but we keep quoting the NCAA bylaws for the oversigning rule. Which in fact it is an SEC provision not an NcAA...So we need to focus on SEC bylaws.

On another note...Has anyone thought about the oversigning penalty. We lose 3 scholarships in 2015 class for everyone we oversign in the 2014 class. Did anyone notice that we happen to have had 3 players leave the last bye week. Those three players would have counted to the 2015 class. So maybe Butch got himself the ability to sign an extra player this class. So maybe we see somemore attrition this bye week so maybe the magic number is 31 or 32 instead of 30 and it all comes out in the wash.
 
#94
#94
Are there really more than 3-4 kids we are high on that we actually have a shot at?

It seems to me it's just all going to shake out to 30...
 
#96
#96
Joe Vols said:
Not if the aid isn't athletic in nature, and football specific. There are thousands if kids at UT on financial aid, but this doesn't affect football. If the aid is a grant or for academic reasons, then the said player would be considered a walk on, not a scholarship player.
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Recruited players can't get academic or any other kind of aid outside of a pell grant.
 
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#97
#97
I have the answer. Bourbon. Sip on some till signing day and everything will work itself out. Except the resulting alcoholism.
 
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gardners_51609 said:
On another note...Has anyone thought about the oversigning penalty. We lose 3 scholarships in 2015 class for everyone we oversign in the 2014 class.
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I've never seen any mention of this penalty except in this forum. Where does it come from? There's no mention of it in the NCAA or SEC bylaws, so I'm doubtful about its existence.
 
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#99
#99
CBJ said we would sign 30 in this class. If we can back count 5 EE's that gives us 35 new players in 2014.
 
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