I think we will have over 40 commits

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Aesius said:
Isn't the 30 recruit max rule an SEC specific thing?
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The SEC rule is only a NLI rule.... It means nothing if the NLI isn't signed....

The NCCA bylaw is the thing that limits how many can be brought in. 25 "Counters" annually. But we can backcount 5 to 2013 class so that is were our 30 # comes from.
 
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Here's what I have learned here.


If we have a few academic risk kids and a remaining spot, we should have all of them sign a GIA.

Then in the summer after all the dust has settled give that one spot to the recruit of your choice if more than 1 has qualified.

The others "failed" to be admitted to UT for some unknown reason.


This appears to be more than 30 signees but in reality only 30 of those will be here next fall.
 
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bigsteve13 said:
Someone call Saban to clarify the loophole in the rule cause you know he's already been using it
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that's who we are copying off of. I knew we were going to oversign and never have thought Butch would tell kids to take a hike. I just thought it would be 32 and there would be some extracurricular financial things going on to allow us to keep them all.
 
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BruinVol said:
Here's what I have learned here.


If we have a few academic risk kids and a remaining spot, we should have all of them sign a GIA.

Then in the summer after all the dust has settled give that one spot to the recruit of your choice if more than 1 has qualified.

The others "failed" to be admitted to UT for some unknown reason.


This appears to be more than 30 signees but in reality only 30 of those will be here next fall.
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Thanks again Bruin. No matter how I have looked at it, I don't see any way we can bring in more than the 30 number that has been put out there by CBJ. I don't have a list of all scholarship players, so I am not sure what all we are losing. But if the 25 plus back counts are used : from what I remember last years recruiting class was undersigned by 2 players. Also, we lost eric gordon in the summer. Then Vincent dallas and alan posey left a few weeks ago. To me, this is how I see us getting to that 30 number.

I guess if more of the 85 left we could back count with EE's to replace them and in essence get more than 30?

Late to this party, so SIAP
 
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If more left could we backcount more? If so what is the latest they would have to leave the program for us to be able to backcount one?

I don't think the ones leaving actually affect that 30#...... It will affect next class at least I think......
 
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VOL61 said:
If more left could we backcount more? If so what is the latest they would have to leave the program for us to be able to backcount one?

I don't think the ones leaving actually affect that 30#...... It will affect next class at least I think......
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Any attrition that occurs will only allow us to sign more players in 2015, no affect on 2014.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
that's who we are copying off of. I knew we were going to oversign and never have thought Butch would tell kids to take a hike. I just thought it would be 32 and there would be some extracurricular financial things going on to allow us to keep them all.
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Good grief. Bama isn't doing anything thru any loop holes to sign more than 25.

Bama last 4 years numbers:

13: 25 signees
12: 26 signees
11: 23 signees
10: 26 signees
 
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BruinVol said:
There is no code to crack.

25 initial counters are most you can bring in.

Anybody on Aid is a counter.


Here it is:
NCAA Bylaw 15.5.6.1 limits FBS football programs to a total number of scholarships to 85 "counters" annually including 25 scholarships for "initial counters." Counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3) are individuals who are receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport, initial counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3.1) are individuals who are receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time.
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If this is not a code that needs to be cracked, I don't know what is:

(For those of you who need a bibliography with my posts: LINK)

15.5.1.10 Offers Exceeding Maximum Allowable Awards. An institution may offer more than the maximum
number of permissible awards in a sport (per Bylaw 15.5) in anticipation that not all of the offers will be
accepted, but the institution shall not exceed the awards limitation in the sport in question.
15.5.1.10.1 Limitation on Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings—
Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, there shall be an annual limit of
25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional
offer of financial aid from December 1 through May 31. (Adopted: 1/16/10 effective 8/1/10, Revised:
1/14/12 effective 8/1/12)
15.5.1.10.1.1 Exception—Counter During Same Academic Year. [FBS] A prospective student-
athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and becomes
an initial counter for the same academic year in which the signing occurred (e.g., midyear enrollee) shall
not count toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12)
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I'm not disputing your claim Bruin, as I said, I'm skeptical that we have, in fact, found a loop hole...the NCAA By-Law manual reads EXACTLY like TN Code Annotated, which is amended annually because of cases with exigent circumstances or smart attorneys who challenge the initial ruling.

You're right about the Counter ruling, and when I noticed the article (NCAA Blog) I was quoting was 2.5 year old, I did a little *ahem* light reading on the By-Laws.

I don't have time to research this, as if I was doing a thesis, but you can't convince me that UT admin hasn't had someone or a group of someone's looking over these by-laws for a loop hole.
 
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The only hope I believe is possible for a loophole might be something with Jacob lee.

Perhaps we could be granted some kind of medical waiver to regain his spot back.

Perhaps a stretch but maybe possible.

Also maybe the same for merideth and back count 1 extra the past few years in his spot
 
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This should provide everything people need on initial counters from NCAA Bylaws.

15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).

15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A
student-athlete recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and
receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in
residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the
institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial
aid to the student-athlete. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A
student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of
the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics
ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has
not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total
counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A
student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of
the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics
ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has
not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total
counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A
student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid
(based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not
be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit
for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the
academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.5 Midyear Replacement. [FBS/FCS] A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates
during the previous academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who shall be
counted against the initial limit either for the year in which the aid is awarded (if the institution’s annual
limit has not been reached) or for the following academic year, or by a student-athlete who was an initial
counter in a previous academic year and is returning to the institution after time spent on active duty in the
armed services or on an official religious mission. In bowl subdivision football, an institution may use the
midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year
to the maximum number of overall counters (85 total counters). In championship subdivision football,
an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid
during that academic year that equals the maximum number of overall equivalencies or overall counters.
(Revised: 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99, 6/8/99, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 8/2/05, 12/15/06, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08,
4/2/10, 1/15/11)

Next one it wont let me add, but it states needs two years without aid to then be put on scholarship as a walk on.
 
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Me trying to make sense of everything in this thread...

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ile3000gt said:
Josh Ward ‏@Josh_Ward 4m

@AustinPriceless joins us next on @sports180 to talk Tennessee football recruiting. Listen here: http://sportsanimal99.com

Maybe they will cover this topic here. I'm tuning in
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No specific talk about the numbers game. Stated we would take the "takes" and figure out the numbers. We would need to take the guys that make us the best at all positions. Gavin Bryant and Treyvon Paulk would really be the only ones he could see that might leave for their individual reasons.

Dimarya Mixon adds depth

Adoree Jackson seems to be looking at us in a new light after a good visit.

Gaining momentum with Josh Malone. Butch told Josh that he is the number 1 priority
 
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ile3000gt said:
No specific talk about the numbers game. Stated we would take the "takes" and figure out the numbers. We would need to take the guys that make us the best at all positions. Gavin Bryant and Treyvon Paulk would really be the only ones he could see that might leave for their individual reasons.

Dimarya Mixon adds depth

Adoree Jackson seems to be looking at us in a new light after a good visit.

Gaining momentum with Josh Malone. Butch told Josh that he is the number 1 priority
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Paulk's name here surprises me.
 
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DominicLoBianco said:
Keep us updated!
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Ok, so nothing crazy that entails a "loop hole" or anything like that. And really nothing new that hasn't been discussed here already. They stated that there would need to be some attrition/scholarships taken away from existing players.

Greyshirting discussed for Dews and Paulk (injury).

D. Swafford - it will be interesting to see what happens with him.

Even with 30, we will need some attrition to sign all of those guys to get to our 85.

They agreed it would be interesting to see how it shakes out, as you obviously don't want to burn bridges with kids and high schools.


BruinVol appears to be spot on on this. I just don't see us being able to sign more than the 30. Even if we were going to take a penalty for oversigning there is still the 85 rule that Bruin keeps bringing up. And, if we somehow signed 40, it would make us too young and then again in 4 years we would have too many guys leaving.....
 
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I don't care how you gotta crunch the numbers, just make it work!!! Too many good players are committed to UT and will be the class that brings us back to the top!
 
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