I think we will have over 40 commits

#52
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shanman- said:
Think Bruin's got a point about the counters, it is a SEC rule.... so I don't expect us to leave anytime soon lol
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That's IT! Leave the SEC and join the Big Least. Sign 4o players and return to the SEC before the season starts.
 
#53
#53
shanman- said:
Think Bruin's got a point about the counters, it is a SEC rule.... so I don't expect us to leave anytime soon lol
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What is the penalty for breaking the SEC rule? Maybe its not too bad and we are just going to count that as the cost of getting back?
 
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MSCE09 said:
What is the penalty for breaking the SEC rule? Maybe its not too bad and we are just going to count that as the cost of getting back?
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Lose two scholarships next year for every one recruit we go over this year
 
#59
#59
Butch knows more about recruiting than everybody on VN combined. He knows exactly what we need. We need to just trust in the Butcher because he gets it.
 
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#60
kevino said:
If he is right , what's the point in having them sign their grant and aid agreements at this time?
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Exactly.... Also why are we still recruiting so many kids? Why not just do it as has always been done with EE.... never heard grant-in-aid papers before this year....
 
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kevino said:
If he is right , what's the point in having them sign their grant and aid agreements at this time?
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That's easy.


The new rule allows it.

It opens up restrictions on recruiting.

This entire thread is going to confuse people up until NSD and none of it is even close to possible

25 initial counters(NLIs and Grant&Aides are initial counters) after the back counters have been used is the only thing we need to know.
 
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BruinVol said:
That's easy.


The new rule allows it.

It opens up restrictions on recruiting.

This entire thread is going to confuse people up until NSD and none of it is even close to possible

25 initial counters after the back counters have been used is the only thing we need to know.
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I was loving this post until the highlighted part.
 
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BruinVol said:
That's easy.


The new rule allows it.

It opens up restrictions on recruiting.

This entire thread is going to confuse people up until NSD and none of it is even close to possible

25 initial counters after the back counters have been used is the only thing we need to know.
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What do you mean it opens up restrictions on recruiting?.....
 
#65
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VOL61 said:
What do you mean it opens up restrictions on recruiting?.....
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As many calls,text, visits, and can discuss the recruit in the media as much as wanted. Workouts and any other thing can be given to them the same as a signee
 
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VOL61 said:
Exactly.... Also why are we still recruiting so many kids? Why not just do it as has always been done with EE.... never heard grant-in-aid papers before this year....
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Didn't the LSU QB just do this as well? Remember seeing that article,maybe on this site?
 
#67
#67
Bruin is that the same rule that opens up early signing period. Do you know the rule # or have a link to it?
 
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VOL61 said:
Bruin is that the same rule that opens up early signing period. Do you know the rule # or have a link to it?
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I don't but I pasted the 25 initial counter rule earlier in this tread

There is a thread about it here as well
 
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BruinVol said:
NCAA Bylaw 15.5.6.1 limits FBS football programs to a total number of scholarships to 85 "counters" annually including 25 scholarships for "initial counters." Counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3) are individuals who are receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport, initial counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3.1) are individuals who are receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time.





A grant and aid would count as an initial counter regardless if they sign an NLI
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That is what wikipedi says.... Where does the NCCA rule say that? Do you have a link?

The "Houston Nutt rule" says that you can accept no more than 28 NLI.... It says nothing of grant-and-aids..... So I do not thing the SEC rule applies if a NLI is not signed....
 
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VOL61 said:
That is what wikipedi says.... Where does the NCCA rule say that? Do you have a link?

The "Houston Nutt rule" says that you can accept no more than 28 NLI.... It says nothing of grant-and-aids..... So I do not thing the SEC rule applies if a NLI is not signed....
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That's the NCAA bylaw. It's 15.5.6.1

Not sure how much more you want
 
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#71
I am not arguing with you. I am just trying to find an offical NCAA site I could read the rule. I am just trying to understand it better myself....

Here is another thing I found that seems to say you could take more players if the NLI is not signed... IDK if this is going on. I am just trying to see if this is actually what we are doing.....

http://mssportslaw.olemiss.edu/files/2013/05/Shelley-p.-3251.pdf
 
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VOL61 said:
I am not arguing with you. I am just trying to find an offical NCAA site I could read the rule. I am just trying to understand it better myself....

Here is another thing I found that seems to say you could take more players if the NLI is not signed... IDK if this is going on. I am just trying to see if this is actually what we are doing.....

http://mssportslaw.olemiss.edu/files/2013/05/Shelley-p.-3251.pdf
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What I posted seems very cut and dry.

It's not NLIs that are limited to 25 but initial counters.

Initial counters are any players on athletic aid at a school for the first time within their first 2 years.

Seems simple to me that these EEs are either initial counters on last years class(back counters) or this years class.

Keep in mind we only have 5 that can back count to the 13 class.
 
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Did we take 25 in 2012? Is there any loophole that allows us to backcount an EE to that class?
 
#75
#75
This is from the article from an earlier post and it seems pretty clear cut.


"The point of all this NLI talk is to show 2009-48 is not just a toothless rule, it really doesn’t limit oversigning at all. Bylaws 13.9.2.3 and 15.5.1.10.1 only limit NLIs to 28. The number of scholarship that can be doled out is still unlimited. Programs are still permitted to commit as many scholarships as they want, so long as the NLI is not attached. The twins don’t limit oversigning, they just require some of the oversigned prospects to be free to walk, since the GIA commits the school to the prospect but not the prospect to the school. And by a quirk of NCAA rules, institutions are prohibited from mentioning that they have signed these additional prospects."
 
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