I have to. (Missouri rant)

Maybe, but I think the powers that be at your school had to know how this would play out from the start.

That said, while I'm all for teams embracing border rivalries (like the one potentially there with Arkansas) Kansas should really get off its horse about playing you guys again. Historic border or same-state rivalries like yours with Kansas and Texas-Texas A&M should never really stop playing (outside of the hatred of fans reaching levels that compromise safety).

Agreed. But we (Missouri) need to step away from it, at least at this moment in time.

The reason is, every time we bring it up, they act like we're asking them to do us a big favor as if we need them more than they need us, and it's really quite the opposite.

I really believe part of this is there floundering failing football team is a big black hole, and they are content being a basketball school.

If Missouri was on their football schedule, we would pound them. That would make their admins and alumni do something about their horrible football team.

But without Missouri on the football schedule, it allows them to get away with treating football like any other non-revenue sport. They hired an unknown positional coach as their HC, paying him the lowest salary in all of P5 football: $900,000. That's even lower than some non-P5 HC, and many P5 coordinators!

They also have arguably the worst P5 stadium. There are Texas high schools that have better stadiums. Any improvements have been tabled for decades.
 
After this year, their big OOC games are WVU (who is up and down) and then Purdue (a home and home I think). They're not working very hard to change the quality of their OOC schedule.

Here's what is published so far... no Oregons or OU's to be found....

MUTIGERS.COM - Official Athletic Site Official Athletic Site - Football

Let's throw aside that after the move they had to schedule additional opponents in 2012, 13, 14, and 15 with about a year to 2 before the game dates (seeing as how most of the major big name brand schools appear to schedule their Power 5 level OOC opponents anywhere from 5 to 10 years prior to the game).



Again, what major program is going to want to have a home and home with them?


They're not a major (or historical) brand name, so there's not as much recognition - broadcast or hype - that comes with playing them. That also pretty much means that they're going to be pretty low on the list of desired teams by any out-of-state neutral site kickoff classic and such.


They're not in a recruiting-rich state or even recruiting-rish area (like a Georgia or even say to the same degree as a Mississippi), so - unlike situations where the Ohio States, Notre Dames, and Michigans are scheduling games at southern schools in Virginia, Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, etc., or even how the major brand schools regularly schedule home and homes with any of the California schools to try to create pipelines to further recruiting in those talent-laden areas - there's not really any sort of recruiting gain (pipeline or other) for a major brand that comes from having to play a game at Columbia as well.

In some ways, it'd be almost like an Iowa school (maybe even a Utah) tried to schedule a home and home with Tennessee. In the modern setting, the response would pretty much be a "What's there to gain out of this for us? No. You can play a game here, but that's it. We're not coming there." Save a major-billed neutral-site matchup, I'm not sure if any Power-5 level school that's trying to to better their program and facilities would really agree to such as a yearly thing.

Heck, the only really "bigger" (note the quotation marks) teams have agreed to a longer-term scheduled return visits with them in the more modern/recent era have been Arizona State and Ole Miss.


Whether or not the desire for it is or isn't there on Missouri's part, there's not a lot of reason for the bigger (or better) schools - from their own standpoint - to agree to home and homes with them...there's not a lot to be gained in making the likely requested return visit. (They very well might have to agree to just throw away a home game's worth of revenue each and every season to get teams to consider such.)
 
KU would make your OOC slate even more laughable unless you added another winner each year. I'm in a minority btw in that I HATE the every year rivalry games. It always creates an unfair disadvantage for the SEC's top 6 winning programs: Bama, UT, UGA, Aub, LSU, and UF.

And even with those permanent matchups, how many times out of the last 23 years have teams outside of that Big 6 made the conference championship?

Take away a year when the clearly miles better team had a bowl ban, and you can count it one hand plus a finger.


It doesn't seem to serve as much of a detriment as you're making it sound.
 
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I do think Pinkel develops talent well but that makes these conversations more confusing. As I kept reading, I noticed you and the others commend Mizzou for a good job - in the situation that was presented to them. I saw multiple compliments of Pinkels development program. I just eventually became confused as to what other "pat on the back" he is searching for. If they had won either seccg, or beaten their most talented opponents, they would have received the appreciation they seem to be seeking so desperately.

I kind of had a guess towards this I made earlier in the thread:

If I had to guess, I think part of that might have more come from the general treatment they got when they joined the conference.

Whereas fans of most of the other schools' teams were excited/welcoming of the Texas A&M addition, the general response to Missouri was more of a...somewhere between "who are they" and "they don't belong." (I think that could also have been partly because everyone worked themselves into such a frenzy over other hypothetical additions.)


The message that was then given to their fans (and by extension that team) by everyone else - including sports media - for over a year or two seemed to pretty much be about how they didn't really fit/didn't belong in the SEC and how they couldn't compete /wouldn't ever be able to (or that the adjustment would be a tremendous struggle...their first SEC media day even saw the reporters there asking their players that very thing).


I think it might come from that.
 
I don't get the Mizzou hate. If UT had won the East the last two years, the crap talking on this board and by UT fans would actually be able to be seen from space.

So they really came from relative obscurity and had success. They've earned every bit of trash talk. Are they elite? No. But only 2 or 3 are in this league.

If UT went to ANY other league and did what Mizzou has done, we'd all be riding the magic Orange kool aid high to Valhalla.

Let them talk. Enjoy the fact that at least it isn't Florida or Georgia fans for a bit.

I'm a bit more of this mentality on it all...especially the last statement.
 
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I kind of had a guess towards this I made earlier in the thread:

If I had to guess, I think part of that might have more come from the general treatment they got when they joined the conference.

Whereas fans of most of the other schools' teams were excited/welcoming of the Texas A&M addition, the general response to Missouri was more of a...somewhere between "who are they" and "they don't belong." (I think that could also have been partly because everyone worked themselves into such a frenzy over other hypothetical additions.)


The message that was then given to their fans (and by extension that team) by everyone else - including sports media - for over a year or two seemed to pretty much be about how they didn't really fit/didn't belong in the SEC and how they couldn't compete /wouldn't ever be able to (or that the adjustment would be a tremendous struggle...their first SEC media day even saw the reporters there asking their players that very thing).


I think it might come from that.

Thank You. I have to be honest tho, All I saw (from them not you) was "boo hoo, life isn't fair, sec football fans are harsher and less cuddly than I imagined" lol, j/k. except not but maybe... a little, or not. :)
 
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Thank You. I have to be honest tho, All I saw (from them not you) was "boo hoo, life isn't fair, sec football fans are harsher and less cuddly than I imagined" lol, j/k. except not but maybe... a little, or not. :)

:hi:

Seriously, though, imagine how our fanbase would be, let's say, if at the SEC media days following the 2012 season other fans and even the reporters interviewing our players had said something along the lines of:

"Tennessee has struggled the last five seasons. With the standard of success seen in other SEC programs over the almost decade, this program clearly isn't at the same level; maybe it shouldn't even be here. Perhaps it should just be glad it was just part of the conference...because it might never catch up (and maybe someone like OU or VT should here in its place). What are your thoughts on this?"

...I would not want to see what this board alone would get like :no:.
 
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I don't get the Mizzou hate. If UT had won the East the last two years, the crap talking on this board and by UT fans would actually be able to be seen from space.
No real hate for Mizzou... just for overplaying what they've done and overestimating their prospects for this year.

If Pinkel wins the East with what he's got this year then every team in the country should offer him their program and fire whoever their coach is if he accepts. He would have genuinely performed a miracle.

If they win the East with UF, UT, and UGA all at full strength... then they can act like they're world beaters and no one can really say anything about it.
 
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Seriously, though, imagine how our fanbase would be if let's say at the SEC media days following the 2012 season, fans and even the reporters interviewing our players had said something along the lines of: "Tennessee has struggled the last five seasons. With the standard of success seen in other SEC programs over the almost decade, this program clearly isn't at the same level; maybe it shouldn't even be here. Maybe it should just be glad it was already part of the conference...because it might never catch back up. What are your thoughts on this?"

...I would not want to see what this board alone would get like :no:.

LOL, this board? Can't argue. But let's be honest, just a few years ago, we would win the much more talented east, and never mention so because it didn't mean a darn thing unless we also won the seccg. If we had bragged about the east (especially) in a down year, with no further accomplishment, we also would be laughed at...no?
I agree that Mizzou earned a level of respect, but they seem to desire respect earned by playoff teams for , at it's best, "honorable mention" accomplishments.
 
Thank You. I have to be honest tho, All I saw (from them not you) was "boo hoo, life isn't fair, sec football fans are harsher and less cuddly than I imagined" lol, j/k. except not but maybe... a little, or not. :)

Mizzou isn't quite "SEC" yet. I actually talked to Mizzou fans right after they joined. They still had their previously typical good sportsmanship. I told them with a laugh that they'd get over it soon enough.:)
 
Mizzou isn't quite "SEC" yet. I actually talked to Mizzou fans right after they joined. They still had their previously typical good sportsmanship. I told them with a laugh that they'd get over it soon enough.:)

LOL, the majority, that I have talked to, have been very realistic and appreciative of their timing. On occasion you come across one or two that feel Bama status has been earned.
 
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Look, I have nothing but respect for what Mizzou and Pinkel and co have done since joining the SEC. I've liked them ever since the Bugeaters caught that deflected pass in the end zone to win the game. Also, weren't they the victims of the 5th down against Colorado in 1990 when Colorado tied us (Chuck Webb, why didn't you run out of bounds) and then went on to win the NC?

What Mizzou does is help me hate Dooley and Hambone more, basically.

Good on you, Mizzou, but if we take care of our business for the next 15 years, you will only see Atlanta via the airport en route to somewhere else.
 
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LOL, this board? Can't argue. But let's be honest, just a few years ago, we would win the much more talented east, and never mention so because it didn't mean a darn thing unless we also won the seccg. If we had bragged about the east (especially) in a down year, with no further accomplishment, we also would be laughed at...no?
I agree that Mizzou earned a level of respect, but they seem to desire respect earned by playoff teams for , at it's best, "honorable mention" accomplishments.

I take it by few years you mean 8?

I think, but part of that also came how our rivals - especially the ones our fans hate and really wanted to brag the most to - were doing in and around 2007.

One half of it was that year saw TN -even though they won the division - get destroyed and humiliated by Florida and Alabama (and lose to an LSU that won the national title)...it felt more hollow...it's kind of hard to brag about that when the people our fans want to brag to the most about it are just going to respond by pointing to a score.

The other half though was that anyone we would be bragging to about it that year had done more...the standard was starting to rise. UGA had just been to a 3rd BCS bowl (and 2nd SEC championship) in 5 years. Florida had just won a national title (and LSU had won two in 5 years...and been to 3 BCS bowls in 5 years). Auburn had even gone undefeated and won a BCS bowl game recently. (Actually scratch that...quite a bit of grief went towards UGA after that win.)


But even then, there were a lot of people here excited and clamoring about 2008 being our year since it was the 10th anniversary of our last national title (UF's had recently come on a similar anniversary)…I also seem to think we were all over talking smack to almost all of the conference (or at least the East teams) in 2001...and in 2004 to most of the other conference teams (save LSU and of course Auburn), though.


But, I mean, if we even just won the division last season, wouldn’t we have been ballistic/ all over about TN being back even before the season ended?
 
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Look, I have nothing but respect for what Mizzou and Pinkel and co have done since joining the SEC. I've liked them ever since the Bugeaters caught that deflected pass in the end zone to win the game. Also, weren't they the victims of the 5th down against Colorado in 1990 when Colorado tied us (Chuck Webb, why didn't you run out of bounds) and then went on to win the NC?

What Mizzou does is help me hate Dooley and Hambone more, basically.

Good on you, Mizzou, but if we take care of our business for the next 15 years, you will only see Atlanta via the airport en route to somewhere else.

Yep. That was them:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQJT8q0MMwQ[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ZvY8h6xbY&spfreload=10[/youtube]
 
I take it by few years you mean 8?

I think, but part of that also came how our rivals - especially the ones our fans hate and really wanted to brag the most to - were doing in and around 2007.

One half of it was that year saw TN -even though they won the division - get destroyed and humiliated by Florida and Alabama (and lose to an LSU that won the national title)...it felt more hollow...it's kind of hard to brag about that when the people our fans want to brag to the most about it are just going to respond by pointing to a score.

The other half though was that anyone we would be bragging to about it that year had done more...the standard was starting to rise. UGA had just been to a 3rd BCS bowl (and 2nd SEC championship) in 5 years. Florida had just won a national title (and LSU had won two in 5 years...and been to 3 BCS bowls in 5 years). Auburn had even gone undefeated and won a BCS bowl game recently. (Actually scratch that...quite a bit of grief went towards UGA after that win.)


But even then, there were a lot of people here excited and clamoring about 2008 being our year since it was the 10th anniversary of our last national title (UF's had recently come on a similar anniversary)…I also seem to think we were all over talking smack to almost all of the conference (or at least the East teams) in 2001...and in 2004 to most of the other conference teams (save LSU and of course Auburn), though.


But, I mean, if we even just won the division last season, wouldn’t we have been ballistic/ all over about TN being back even before the season ended?



Just the parts in bold to save on the boredom of anyone still reading.

#1 Yes, I am a football traditionalist and no longer in my 20's. So on our 119th team, 8 years isn't exactly the before the wheel was invented but I guess if I was 16, it would be half my life... but I'm not.

#2 Yes, we would have been all excited. Would members go over to a Bama site and tell them what winning football really looks like? Not likely.

I am with you on giving them credit, lets just ease off on the overboard stuff, agree?
 
Just the parts in bold to save on the boredom of anyone still reading.

#1 Yes, I am a football traditionalist and no longer in my 20's. So on our 119th team, 8 years isn't exactly the before the wheel was invented but I guess if I was 16, it would be half my life... but I'm not.

Sorry, you said a few. I shouldn't have started off way with that comment that way...it wasn't meant to be rude by any means (it was more meant in a joking nature), but I see it could come across as such.


#2 Yes, we would have been all excited. Would members go over to a Bama site and tell them what winning football really looks like? Not likely.

I get you (and unfortunately some of ours would lol). That's also kind of what I was getting at with the situations I'd mentioned...it does kind of depend on the recipient of such (and situation).

I am with you on giving them credit, lets just ease off on the overboard stuff, agree?

I agree; wasn't saying they should be going overboard / acting like they were a new powerhouse...but also don't think the "only lucky" idea is appropriate either...(especially with 2013 more than with 2014, though).


I have to be honest, though: I also don't have too much of a problem with a team that doesn't directly compete with us for recruits having successes against UGA and UF and keeping those two from further accolades.
 
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Sorry, you said a few. I shouldn't have started off way with that comment that way...it wasn't meant to be rude by any means (it was more meant in a joking nature), but I see it could come across as such.


Maybe I came off as wrong, I wasn't offended. I also didn't mean to sound as if I was. :eek:k:

I get you (and unfortunately some of ours would lol). That's also kind of what I was getting at with the situations I'd mentioned...it does kind of depend on the recipient of such (and situation).

Kinda what I mean tho. If some of us did that, the rest of us would be embarrassed (deservedly). If it's wrong for us.....


I agree; wasn't saying they should be going overboard / acting like they were a new powerhouse...but don't think the "only lucky" idea is appropriate either...(especially with 2013 more than with 2014, though).

Yeah, in my other posts I have pointed out that I'm not offended by Mizzou, or their fans in general. Just a couple of the more zealous ones need to step back and get the larger picture. But mostly it was just good ole smack talk.


I have to be honest, though: I also don't have too much of a problem with a team that doesn't directly compete with us for recruits having successes against UGA and UF and keeping those two from further accolades.
Don't care about any of them outside of - want to whip them all.
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(With how long it's been...even if we're on the rise, unfortunately it still at the moment leaves us in an acceptable target range (as much as I don't like it) for fans of a lot of teams bragging about recent accomplishments, unless we're beating them.)

Don't care about any of them outside of - want to whip them all.
:hi:

Gotcha. I want to beat them, too... just also don't mind them giving the UF's and UGA's a little less to show off to recruits as well :).


Good convo. :hi:
 
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Mizzou was the best team in the East last year.

Sorry but no. UGA was by far the best team in the East last year... or don't you remember how they absolutely embarrassed you?

The best team doesn't always win a division. UT wasn't the best team in the East in 2007 either.
 

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