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sjt18 said:
So you don't think the potential of athletes can be measured with a reasonable degree of accuracy? If that's true then why should we hold Jones accountable if he were to lose 10 games? Maybe the players just aren't any good. It isn't fair to fire him for something he was incapable of knowing, right?

It isn't something that can be done with absolute precision... but even the recruiting rankings system demonstrates that it can be measured in a meaningful way.
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I think i can reply to this one and your last one to me with the same.

First, who said anything about firing him?

Sure the athlete talent can be measured with somewhat reasonable accuracy. But can he put it all together, and that's wher the issue comes. I view the team as more than the starting 22, its the back ups, coaches etc. So has Jones assembled a team that should win 10 games, yes. Has he assembled a team capable of doing so? No, not yet.
 
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volfannbama said:
I think i can reply to this one and your last one to me with the same.

First, who said anything about firing him?
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It was just a hypothetical to demonstrate the point that it is possible to quantify talent and a coach should be really good at it.

Sure the athlete talent can be measured with somewhat reasonable accuracy. But can he put it all together, and that's wher the issue comes. I view the team as more than the starting 22, its the back ups, coaches etc. So has Jones assembled a team that should win 10 games, yes. Has he assembled a team capable of doing so? No, not yet.
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That's all I meant. Jones has assembled a team with the capacity to win 10 games. The failures have come in the things you pointed out earlier.
 
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sjt18 said:
It was just a hypothetical to demonstrate the point that it is possible to quantify talent and a coach should be really good at it.


That's all I meant. Jones has assembled a team with the capacity to win 10 games. The failures have come in the things you pointed out earlier.
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Yeah, we agree. The potential has been there. A few weeks ago i pointed out 4 or 5 games in the past 4 years that had we won, the outlook of CBJ would be far different. Unfortunately for folks in his line of work, thats about the margin of being average, good and great. Maybe it comes together this year. The issue is he has little to no equity to survive a couple more average years.
 
#59
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volfannbama said:
-4 years of little development of players
-in game coaching
-attempting to control every narrative
-mishandling of star players
-poor practice program leading to more injuries
-poor strength and condition program in previous years.
-ill timed slogans
-not allowing coaches to coach, trys to have too much control


He has many positives as well
- not throwing players under the bus
- great work ethic
- solid recruiting
- good ethics and morals
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Yea, the conversation was about Butch not naming a starting QB yet and you said there were a lot of other things that could be criticized. I expected a list of "current" things going on that you're not happy about.
 
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volfannbama said:
CBJ hasnt assembled a team capable of winning 10+ games

Proof: CBJ has yet to win 10+ games.

No sure if i can break it down any further than that
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The fact that you haven't realized that there's a difference between capability and results is astounding.
 
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Behr said:
Yea, the conversation was about Butch not naming a starting QB yet and you said there were a lot of other things that could be criticized. I expected a list of "current" things going on that you're not happy about.
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So let me get this straight. A guy is criticising CBJ about not naming a qb. My stance is there are many thing to criticize him over, but not naming a qb is not one of them, yet you still are not happy? Just cant win with some people.
 
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wolfej said:
The fact that you haven't realized that there's a difference between capability and results is astounding.
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How you mean potential and capable? Gotcha.

You can have potential and not reach that potential.

However, repeated failed attempts at goal, show you have yet to attain the capability of reaching said goal.

Capabiity: the power or ability to generate an outcome
Potential: currently unrealized ability, existing in possibility not in actuality
 
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volfannbama said:
So let me get this straight. A guy is criticising CBJ about not naming a qb. My stance is there are many thing to criticize him over, but not naming a qb is not one of them, yet you still are not happy? Just cant win with some people.
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No, you don't have it straight. I asked a simple question because I was curious what was going on right now that you're not happy about.
 
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Behr said:
No, you don't have it straight. I asked a simple question because I was curious what was going on right now that you're not happy about.
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Nothing, we are not playing football. So nothing said or done right now matters. When games, dont get in trouble. Its really simple.

Altough CBJ saying the team plays to high, the same day rumors swirl about pending suspensions for drug pops.
 
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tbones0711 said:
Jalen Hurts didn't start the 1st game for Bama last year. The QB position was open until someone stepped up.
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Was it? One of those guys came out not long ago suggesting Saban had deceived him and intended to play Hurts all along.

I can virtually guarantee that Saban had no intentions of a 2 QB system or allowing a QB controversy.
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
Yep, name a starter so the other team knows who to prepare for, LOL
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To you and the others....How is GT gonna prepare if they did know? Watch one film against Tn Tech where QD may have got some plays in ? Wasted talk and energy over something that doesn't exist, mainly game film of our two projected starters. Add to that mix a new OC that likely hasn't called a play while having that position. No opponent can predict UT's tendencies on offense at this point. Hope coach Scott takes advantage of the circumstance.
 
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TucsonVol said:
The truth is that if he names a starter, the other QB will transfer.
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The truth...the whole truth....nothing but the truth...so help you God? Wake up. JG redshirted and QD is a jr. which, at a minimum, will allow JG to be starter in his jr. and sr. year. Penix and Martinez, if both commit, will be in a similiar situation but then a problem could occur due to them being in the same class. Won't be a QB transfer at UT for at least 3 years and even then chances will be slim. If and when UT can once again jump out to big leads during games we can get these back-ups valuable reps and also avoid injuries to our starters.
 
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volfannbama said:
Nothing, we are not playing football. So nothing said or done right now matters. When games, dont get in trouble. Its really simple.

Altough CBJ saying the team plays to high, the same day rumors swirl about pending suspensions for drug pops.
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Exactly. I guess I should have known you were just talking about things that "we" have been crying about for 9 months. Why I thought there might be something new I don't know. My bad.
 
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sjt18 said:
Was it? One of those guys came out not long ago suggesting Saban had deceived him and intended to play Hurts all along.

I can virtually guarantee that Saban had no intentions of a 2 QB system or allowing a QB controversy.
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Barret and Bateman have both bid Bama "adios" in the last year or two and one of them,(bateman last year?), did so because he felt he had been decieved. I'm sure Saban had his gut feeling heading into the season but "publicly" it appeared to be a wide open position. Bateman didn't win the starting position at Utah this year if that tells us anything. As for CBJ, I think he's favoring QD because he's been here a year longer and feels he deserves it. As pure overall athletic ability, JG may have a slight edge but it's the coaches job to keep these matters in proper perspective. I think we fans create in our own minds scenarios that don't even exist in the 1st place. Only one Qb can start at a given time and there's always the injury that can change things. Had Hurts suffered serious injury last year it would have had a negative impact on Bama,IMO. I think CBJ is doing a good job balancing this"competition" and UT should benefit from it. As fans all we can do is wait and see. All else is speculative.
 
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Bearded_Vol said:
I'm in. Pass me a cup of the orange cool-aid. We've got Dormady's sleeves and the Shamburgular. Boom.
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First, that's not how to spell Kool-Aid. Second, if you had been paying attention, you would know to request an orange Nehi.

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GBO.
 
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tbones0711 said:
Barret and Bateman have both bid Bama "adios" in the last year or two and one of them,(bateman last year?), did so because he felt he had been decieved. I'm sure Saban had his gut feeling heading into the season but "publicly" it appeared to be a wide open position. Bateman didn't win the starting position at Utah this year if that tells us anything. As for CBJ, I think he's favoring QD because he's been here a year longer and feels he deserves it. As pure overall athletic ability, JG may have a slight edge but it's the coaches job to keep these matters in proper perspective. I think we fans create in our own minds scenarios that don't even exist in the 1st place. Only one Qb can start at a given time and there's always the injury that can change things. Had Hurts suffered serious injury last year it would have had a negative impact on Bama,IMO. I think CBJ is doing a good job balancing this"competition" and UT should benefit from it. As fans all we can do is wait and see. All else is speculative.
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Jones isn't just favoring QD because he has a year on JG. If he wins the job it will be because he plays the position better. There is a mental aspect to playing the position and QD was clearly ahead in the spring.

FWIW, I haven't seen anyone say that JG had more arm talent. Both have strong arms. QD is very, very accurate.
 
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volfannbama said:
CBJ hasnt assembled a team capable of winning 10+ games

Proof: CBJ has yet to win 10+ games.

No sure if i can break it down any further than that
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You clearly don't understand the definition of capable.

Not sure if I can break it down any further than that.
 
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