I don’t get why you don’t get it

#101
#101
Once again, Volnation, Jeremy Pruitt did not recruit Hendon Hooker. Pruitt admitted he never met him. Hooker just showed up asking to transfer in & Chaney talked Pruitt into taking him. The QB room at the time was full of D2 players & anyone with a heartbeat was better than what they had.

Heupel had spring to watch Hooker & Bailey & felt he needed a QB. Maybe Hooker wasn’t a great practice player, maybe it took time for him to adapt to the offense. Anyway, every coach is going to look at Milton & think OMG what an athlete. Joe didnt play as well in games, Hooker played better. No coach can see that until the games actually occur.

Claiming his talent evaluations are poor based on this scenario is weak. If you want to criticize based on Nico or other guys, ok but the “he played Milton” case doesn’t make it. Hell Dallas just traded a 3rd rounder for Milton. I’m sure Det would have done the same for Hooker.
 
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#102
OldVol said:
Nico wasn’t much better than Milton was the argument, absent the typo. Neither thought it was a bad idea to run out of bounds on the final play of a game with the game on the line. I disagree on the offensive line. Hooker made line play look much better than they were because he got the ball out so fast. Nico spread a blanket and had a picnic back there last year. Our line was good enough last year to have the best rushing attack in the conference. The pass blocking was on a QB who couldn’t read his progressions beyond his priority target. There’s no measurable metric to say the 22 line was better. Everyone knows Nico held the ball when his primary was covered.
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I agree Nico wasn’t much, if any, better than Milton. Only benefit I’d give Nico was he was not a whole lot worse in year two than Joe was in year 6.
 
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wmcovol said:
Once again, Volnation, Jeremy Pruitt did not recruit Hendon Hooker. Pruitt admitted he never met him. Hooker just showed up asking to transfer in & Chaney talked Pruitt into taking him. The QB room at the time was full of D2 players & anyone with a heartbeat was better than what they had.

Heupel had spring to watch Hooker & Bailey & felt he needed a QB. Maybe Hooker wasn’t a great practice player, maybe it took time for him to adapt to the offense. Anyway, every coach is going to look at Milton & think OMG what an athlete. Joe didnt play as well in games, Hooker played better. No coach can see that until the games actually occur.

Claiming his talent evaluations are poor based on this scenario is weak. If you want to criticize based on Nico or other guys, ok but the “he played Milton” case doesn’t make it. Hell Dallas just traded a 3rd rounder for Milton. I’m sure Det would have done the same for Hooker.
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Dallas traded a 5th round pick for Milton and a 7th round pick. That doesn’t mean Milton is any good.
 
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Nothing wrong with his talent evaluation. By definition, Milton and Nico are more talented than Hooker. Talent doesn’t always mean you are going to produce more however. Picking the right QB is usually a crapshoot, even at the NFL level. Not every Super Bowl winner has a 1st round QB leading the team. That means EVERY team in the league passed on them at some point.
 
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#106
Volanta said:
Some difficult yet weird truths about CJH: His evaluation skills have been oddly bad. His biggest success stories? Jeremy Pruitt recruits. Hendon Hooker was Pruitt’s recruit—yet Heupel handed the job to Joe Milton, a QB he chose, over Hendon. We all saw how that turned out.

So I don’t understand the angst around Joey Aguilar.

Heupel may struggle at talent evaluation, but he’s elite at maximizing lesser talent. Last season, the truth was…..Nico was a liability. But Heupel schemed around him and still managed 10 wins. That’s what great coaches do.

Ok so we have Joey Aguilar—a seasoned QB who thrived at Appalachian State despite having:
  • a weaker O-line,
  • Inferior coaching, (is anyone really going to argue any of those app state coaches have the prowess and offensive genius of CJH?)
  • and worse overall talent around him.
And he still balled out. So why shouldn’t we believe Heupel can coach this guy to at least match, if not exceed, what Nico did?

JA could throw for 4,000+ yards in this system. He’s got a better offensive line this time, the defense is still solid, and the run game is always there under Heupel. WRs are a little shaky and unproven- I’ll give you that, but still better then anything he ever had at app state or ucla for that matter.

Is he Cam Newton? No. Is he some huge blue chip recruit? No. But I’m tired of that. The last guy we trusted screwed us- for the slow ones in the back I’m talkin about Nico. You got a guy that was casted to the side and is pissed off and ready to prove himself.

My point: let’s just see what happens.
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Just from what I saw of Nico, I thought he was a functional QB, but his hype was greater than his actual performance. And while I am sure he and his camp want to blame the Heupel game plan and teammates, I don't give him a pass for that. In my opinion, he is still overrated.

Despite that, I guess they tried to retain him. Leaving was his (or his Dad's) choice. Sometimes, life throws you a curve ball. That goes for each of us, and for sports teams as well. Aguilar is now a Vol. I am going to get behind him, as well as the rest of the team. What the Hell else can we do?
 
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#107
lukeneyland said:
Lots of recruits don’t hit. I can think of quite a bit that have come good.
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Sure but IMHO Coach is a better developer, game day planner, and coach then he is evaluator. Just my humble opinion. He can still recruit well tho just some of his most significant QB recruits have been misses.

I feel really good about Joey A however. Hope that makes sense lol.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
It’s a shame that Heupel is such a bad coach and recruiter. He has positioned our football program into the best position it has been since the glory early day of Phil Fulmer, and he was able to do it with Almost 30 fewer scholarship players that he rest of college football. He recruited and coached our team to participate in the first play off series. His teams have consistently been rated in the top 10 football teams in the Nation. He has a winning record against Alabama, our greatest rival and constantly ranked top 10 ranked team.
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Lol when did I say he was a bad coach?

Gotta read more carefully bro
 
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#112
Milton has a huge arm, speed, leadership, charisma, and a great work ethic. It is easy to see why CJH thought he would play better than Hooker. I can’t fault him for that.

I also don’t think he missed on Nico. Nico has talent, but is immature. He will learn from this and end up being really good.
 
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