I canceled my contribution to Spyre

[ochocinco]

So did Arian Foster.

Yup. Chris Mims too. There’s been a few

 

[volfan4evr]

Can't do it anymore, what a sh*t show CFB has become. I can't in good conscience contribute anymore. That's all... flame a way.

Sorry @nxtVOL, I've increased my contribution. If we don't try to keep up with the other teams, we'll be forever in the basement of the conference.

 

[TheDeeble]

No it is not and Spyre is not an agent they are a marketing agency. Collectives such as Spyre pays these athletes for the rights to their name, likeness and image. Spyre then sells their name to clients and recoups their money from their customers. In theory this works if and that is a big if the athlete doesn’t pull a Nico and not show up at events.

If the athletes hold up their end of the agreement the collectives should be made whole and there is no need for the fans to donate but as we are starting to see the athletes do not want to put in the work to market their name and likeness.

Do collectives actually profit from these deals? Would it be a profitable business without donations?

 

[DaddyChad]

Donte Stallworth, Kevin Burnett, Casey Clausen worked out from Cali tho. Just need to make sure to recruit men not boys

If they come in wearing pajama pants maybe they’re not ready to be the face of the program.

 

[DaddyChad]

Do collectives actually profit from these deals? Would it be a profitable business without donations?

Profit? I think like 90% of the money or something like that goes to the players. Spyre is also audited by UT athletics I believe. 10% almost has to go to people running it and to organize events, etc.

 

[cgrish]

It’s a double edged sword.

We don’t pay NIL we go back to Pruitt and jones type records.

We pay NIL we cheer on a bunch of paid mercenaries who don’t give a damn about UT.

There had to be a happy medium.

Find guys local who grew up in or near TN and build with the best of those.

We gotta stay out of Cali etc. We get burned every time it seems. Thinking of Toto.

I agree thats why I say we go with Mac, ready or not he wants to be here, a life long dream of his.

 

[Delmar]

Fans have nowhere to go. The Saturday TV saturation of college football is contracted for years. The overall quality of college football is up, we're seeing more schools have a chance to be competitive with NIL and the portal, and viewership isn't declining but rising.

Anyone who follows college athletics now knows the P-4 is pay for play, essentially pro sports. Nobody is turning off their TV over it. In fact, we're early in massive new TV contracts for the SEC and B1G.

The craziness that happens on VN whenever a carrier is renegotiating and Hulu or YouTube or whoever goes dark for a game or two tells me all I need to know. We're not going anywhere.

That’s fine and you are probably right. Younger viewers and fans obviously don’t mind the mercenary aspect of all this and the changes. A lot of older fans are not as happy and I know a number who have already checked out. Put it this way. They aren’t spending the money on tickets and donations like they used to. I know I’m not. I still watch on TV but it’s not all consuming like it used to be. Grandkids and golf have overtaken it.

 

[VolArmy74]

That’s fine and you are probably right. Younger viewers and fans obviously don’t mind the mercenary aspect of all this and the changes. A lot of older fans are not as happy and I know a number who have already checked out. Put it this way. They aren’t spending the money on tickets and donations like they used to. I know I’m not. I still watch on TV but it’s not all consuming like it used to be. Grandkids and golf have overtaken it.

I'm older and don't mind at all. I don't understand why people are so upset that the group that has been exploited for decades finally gets a piece of the pie. It also benefits us. You immediately see the teams that were paying huge on the illegal side taking a tumble (Alabama and Georgia both having three losses).

 

[Frozevol]

Same here. Never crossed my mind to contribute. Besides I need the extra cash for eggs and property taxes

And to my busted 401k

 

[volfan102455]

Never donated and don't plan to. If NIL worked as expected, there would be no need for donations from fans. The money would come organically from companies wanting to use the player as advertisement for their product.

 

[Frozevol]

Donte Stallworth, Kevin Burnett, Casey Clausen worked out from Cali tho. Just need to make sure to recruit men not boys

And how can we forget this Cali man in the clutch…a knuckleball!

https://images.rivals.com/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto,t_large/uectof8tzvgttphfcw2a

 

[volfan102455]

I'm older and don't mind at all. I don't understand why people are so upset that the group that has been exploited for decades finally gets a piece of the pie. It also benefits us. You immediately see the teams that were paying huge on the illegal side taking a tumble (Alabama and Georgia both having three losses).

They have not been exploited for decades. I suppose you are thinking of the television aspect of all this. The rise and invention of cable and the internet with almost all games being on television have changed the landscape - but that is mostly within the last decade. The SEC Network started in 2014. I can remember a time, not long ago, when sometimes the only way to "watch" a game was by "listening to it on the radio". These networks showcase a variety of sports, not just the profitable ones.

Sadly, it will be the "greed" of "college football players" that will destroy all college sports.

 

[Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va]

Can't do it anymore, what a sh*t show CFB has become. I can't in good conscience contribute anymore. That's all... flame a way.

Good. No other sport asks the fans to start a GoFundMe to get a new player. Until this sport has contracts then it’s nothing but a joke.

Save your money and don’t support this crap. Buy your tickets if you want but don’t give your hard earned money to some kid who is making millions.

 

[TN Volunteers.]

We’re a Graham Mertz gifted fumble and Jalen Milroe not forcing a bad throw to Ryan Williams in the endzone away from having Butch Jones record last year and there’s no telling how much money we spent on NIL

And if Sampson didn’t fumble vs bama or if we didn’t have that roughing the punter vs Arkansas we would have been better. You can’t live with the ifs, ands, and buts. The team that makes the fewest mistakes usually wins, and we made less big mistakes vs those teams.

 

[VolArmy74]

They have not been exploited for decades. I suppose you are thinking of the television aspect of all this. The rise and invention of cable and the internet with almost all games being on television have changed the landscape - but that is mostly within the last decade. The SEC Network started in 2014. I can remember a time, not long ago, when sometimes the only way to "watch" a game was by "listening to it on the radio". These networks showcase a variety of sports, not just the profitable ones.

Sadly, it will be the "greed" of "college football players" that will destroy all college sports.

Coaches have been making a million dollars or more for 30 years, schools have been making 50 times that or more for just as long. The SEC decided to expand in 1990 and that launched new TV deals, and new bowl alliances, which all led to generating more and more money. One group got left out of all that, the people actually providing the product. It'd be akin to making movies that make billions of dollars but only paying the actors room and board to live on location and make those movies, while the studios and directors raked in cash.

 

[volfan102455]

No it is not and Spyre is not an agent they are a marketing agency. Collectives such as Spyre pays these athletes for the rights to their name, likeness and image. Spyre then sells their name to clients and recoups their money from their customers. In theory this works if and that is a big if the athlete doesn’t pull a Nico and not show up at events.

If the athletes hold up their end of the agreement the collectives should be made whole and there is no need for the fans to donate but as we are starting to see the athletes do not want to put in the work to market their name and likeness.

This is how I thought it was supposed to work as well. The player is "selling" the use of their image. If said player is successful and holds up their end of the bargain, the collective should be successful enough without having to ask for donations from fans. But it does take the player being involved and working with the collective.

 

[Wireless1]

It was inevitable it would go this way though if no one was capable of enforcing any rules.

Had the NCAA have taken the stand of “A Gentleman’s Agreement” stance and given the death sentence (we won’t play with you) to more bad actors (schools, coaches, boosters, athletes) then the courts would not have been given a play.
P4 schools will survive in the developing model but all the rest will crash

 

[Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va]

Coaches have been making a million dollars or more for 30 years, schools have been making 50 times that or more for just as long. The SEC decided to expand in 1990 and that launched new TV deals, and new bowl alliances, which all led to generating more and more money. One group got left out of all that, the people actually providing the product. It'd be akin to making movies that make billions of dollars but only paying the actors room and board to live on location and make those movies, while the studios and directors raked in cash.

I think most people can be convinced the players should be compensated fairly for yield efforts and making the product what it is, just like the NFL.

The problem is there is no contracts or guidelines in place to help regulate the market for that talent and keep it fair.

Nothing about the current system is fun. Tampering is rampant. Smaller teams are organ donors for the rich teams. Players blatantly extorting schools.

It’s pretty hard to support any of that.

 

[Rocky Top T]

Because buying tickets and gear was never going towards the team.

Then why are they adding a talent fee to the ticket price?

 

[Rocky Top T]

Never donated and don't plan to. If NIL worked as expected, there would be no need for donations from fans. The money would come organically from companies wanting to use the player as advertisement for their product.

Truth

 

[VolArmy74]

I think most people can be convinced the players should be compensated fairly for yield efforts and making the product what it is, just like the NFL.

The problem is there is no contracts or guidelines in place to help regulate the market for that talent and keep it fair.

Nothing about the current system is fun. Tampering is rampant. Smaller teams are organ donors for the rich teams. Players blatantly extorting schools.

It’s pretty hard to support any of that.

Have players sign NIL deals that last longer than a year and require some sort of payback if they don't meet their conditions. For instance, had we given Nico a 3 year guarantee but if he didn't meet the conditions he had to pay it back, that would solve problems. From what I can tell, Nico didn't meet his appearance conditions and didn't get penalized for it. He should have been.

You will never again be able to deny someone being able to pay someone for NIL related activity. The market itself will eventually sort things out with more teeth/penalties for failing to meet obligations and telling players to head on down the road, because they aren't worth more money if they demand it. Nico found that out the hard way and it cost him 1+ million dollars. There's not unlimited money for this. Nike can pay Michael Jordan 500 million dollars because he makes them a billion. But if he asked for 2 billion they'd have to say no.

 

[VolArmy74]

Then why are they adding a talent fee to the ticket price?

In anticipation of revenue sharing starting next fall.

 

[volfan102455]

Coaches have been making a million dollars or more for 30 years, schools have been making 50 times that or more for just as long. The SEC decided to expand in 1990 and that launched new TV deals, and new bowl alliances, which all led to generating more and more money. One group got left out of all that, the people actually providing the product. It'd be akin to making movies that make billions of dollars but only paying the actors room and board to live on location and make those movies, while the studios and directors raked in cash.

I am so tired of the "coach comparison". Coaches are employees of the school. They were hired to bring success to the school. If they don't, they are fired. The coach is like the CEO of the Football program. The coach is the face of the program, the one to which all the major decisions fall, the one who sets the vision.

Players are given assistance with their education. They get "free training and advertisement" from the school. If what they are given was monetized it would easily be > 250K per year, maybe more. Stop acting like they never got anything. That is not true. But I get it - that is not dollars in their pockets that they or their family (in the case of Nico) can use.

That all said, most college programs do not make money and at those that do, the only programs that generally make money are Football and Men's Basketball.

But in reality, NIL was not supposed to come from the dollars a university takes in from its events. The concept was supposed to allow for a player to use their NIL to make money. It is a slippery slope because most of the collectives have folks that have ties to specific universities.

 

[C-south]

Then why are they adding a talent fee to the ticket price?

Probably the same reason there’s countless other bs ticket fees.

 

[VolArmy74]

I am so tired of the "coach comparison". Coaches are employees of the school. They were hired to bring success to the school. If they don't, they are fired. The coach is like the CEO of the Football program. The coach is the face of the program, the one to which all the major decisions fall, the one who sets the vision.

Players are given assistance with their education. They get "free training and advertisement" from the school. If what they are given was monetized it would easily be > 250K per year, maybe more. Stop acting like they never got anything. That is not true. But I get it - that is not dollars in their pockets that they or their family (in the case of Nico) can use.

That all said, most college programs do not make money and at those that do, the only programs that generally make money are Football and Men's Basketball.

But in reality, NIL was not supposed to come from the dollars a university takes in from its events. The concept was supposed to allow for a player to use their NIL to make money. It is a slippery slope because most of the collectives have folks that have ties to specific universities.

LOL players were given one year scholarships, and told to hit the road if they didn't perform up to expectations, like a job, they were fired but they never got paid. The one year scholarship was only on the schools end though. Players couldn't leave without penalty, the school could fire them at any time. They don't and never have gotten "free" anything from the school. They got what they got in exchange for working their butts off. I've known a number of players over the years. They usually get up at 4am to workout for two hours every day before class. They went to class during the day and went and worked out for 2 hours every evening. That was in the off-season. During the season they did that and practiced 20 hours a week. Watched film when they were out of practice. Then they put in another full day on game day.

You're in the mindset that the Supreme Court scolded the NCAA over.