I canceled my contribution to Spyre

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Brave Volunteer said:
Coaching wise, no question! Recruiting wise...ehhhh right now I'd say the jury is still out. Almost all of Heup's best players so far have been Pruitt recruits, including Hooker.
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That makes 0 sense because we are in year 4 and went 10-3. There are basically no Pruitt players left. This past season was primarily Heupel recruits.

Star-wise, Heupel's recruiting classes have been about on par with Pruitt classes or better.

Issue is that he isn't getting Nick Saban or Kirby Smart level classes. I agree on that. We are also in a weird and different era of football where recruiting isn't what it was in the past and Heupel and Tennessee were also on probation the first few years. I think this upcoming year's class might be the first class without scholarship reductions.
 
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KTrain said:
Yep, part of recruitment should be, and his family has been Vol fans their whole life they bleed orange. If its close on a recruit take the one with Tennessee ties. Also, if you're going for a generational QB do not follow the ones that rated Nico a 5 Star good QB but not a 5 Star IMO.
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We had same problem with Jarrett Guarantano and Tyler Bray. Both were highly rated QBs that flopped for the most part. Nico isn't the first one (although I will say Nico was probably the highest rated one).
 
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NCFisher said:
That's exactly how it's working, so what's the contention? NIL was absolutely meant to pay players - as the schools cannot pay players - and they hire agents such as Spyre to market their potential appeal, directly tied to their athletic potential.
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No it is not and Spyre is not an agent they are a marketing agency. Collectives such as Spyre pays these athletes for the rights to their name, likeness and image. Spyre then sells their name to clients and recoups their money from their customers. In theory this works if and that is a big if the athlete doesn’t pull a Nico and not show up at events.

If the athletes hold up their end of the agreement the collectives should be made whole and there is no need for the fans to donate but as we are starting to see the athletes do not want to put in the work to market their name and likeness.
 
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VawlIn said:
We’re a Graham Mertz gifted fumble and Jalen Milroe not forcing a bad throw to Ryan Williams in the endzone away from having Butch Jones record last year and there’s no telling how much money we spent on NIL
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And also one of the stupidest roughing the punter calls from hosting a CFP game
 
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IMO....the biggest issue is the portal and not the money. When players can just transfer at the drop of a hat then it's just going to get worse.

On the surface it seems the powers that be are letting it be the wild wild West and after all the confusing and the dust settles then they will enact rules and regulations and us Joe fans will be for it. Or...they couldn't police, regulate the schools that were the masters at cheating so they just made cheating legal for everyone which drove some into retirement :)
 
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volfan411 said:
I never have and never will contribute. If these kids want to make 2 million they need to get out and earn it by marketing their name, likeness and image. NIL was never meant to pay the players it was meant to all allow them to profit from their name and image.
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I saw one pundit on TV the other day say that NIL is simply a fallacy. Everybody recognizes that it’s pay for play. NIL is a smokescreen.
 
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Delmar said:
I saw one pundit on TV the other day say that NIL is simply a fallacy. Everybody recognizes that it’s pay for play. NIL is a smokescreen.
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It has turned into pay to play but that was never the intent which is unfortunate for college football. I believe it will soon correct itself as these collectives start to run out of money and players are forced to take what their image is actually worth.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Why make a thread? Is that helpful to the program?

I mean I’m good with whatever decision you make with your money. I’m sure a few others have had the same feeling.
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The belief that threads on VN are helpful or hurtful to the program is weird. How?

Past that, the game is what it is and none of us can change it. It runs on money.

People can argue that athletes aren't worth the money, but the market says otherwise.

If Spyre doesn't have the money, our teams will not be as competitive, it's that simple.

If Danny White doesn't pay Vitello or Barnes or Heupel enough, they might get a better deal and leave too, and our teams will not do as well.

We all lived through the years of lousy coaches and if you want to live through years of lousy players, don't support Spyre.
 
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volfan411 said:
It has turned into pay to play but that was never the intent which is unfortunate for college football. I believe it will soon correct itself as these collectives start to run out of money and players are forced to take what their image is actually worth.
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I believe it (especially the portal) will correct itself when the players become employees of the university and under contract. That’s the day it truly becomes NFL Lite and a lot of fans will check out.
 
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NEO said:
It’s a double edged sword.

We don’t pay NIL we go back to Pruitt and jones type records.

We pay NIL we cheer on a bunch of paid mercenaries who don’t give a damn about UT.

There had to be a happy medium.

Find guys local who grew up in or near TN and build with the best of those.

We gotta stay out of Cali etc. We get burned every time it seems. Thinking of Toto.
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Donte Stallworth, Kevin Burnett, Casey Clausen worked out from Cali tho. Just need to make sure to recruit men not boys
 
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volfan411 said:
No it is not and Spyre is not an agent they are a marketing agency. Collectives such as Spyre pays these athletes for the rights to their name, likeness and image. Spyre then sells their name to clients and recoups their money from their customers. In theory this works if and that is a big if the athlete doesn’t pull a Nico and not show up at events.

If the athletes hold up their end of the agreement the collectives should be made whole and there is no need for the fans to donate but as we are starting to see the athletes do not want to put in the work to market their name and likeness.
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You're talking in circles; NIL is nothing if not marketing. Whether they purchase NIL rights or directly market Nico and take a commission is a distinction without difference. Nico ain't marketing and bringing in NIL $; Spyre is. Whether the players shows at events is between the NIL collective and them.

Collectives aren't the problem. Players having no contractual employee or 1099 relationship with the school is. So the collective can either enforce its agreement by withholding payment to someone like Nico, take them to court and run them off, or continue taking a loss on people like Nico to avoid antagonizing them. Spyre isn't there to just be whole/break even, nor should they be. Without them, TN becomes Vandy. Guys will go where they get paid.
 
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NCFisher said:
You're talking in circles; NIL is nothing if not marketing. Whether they purchase NIL rights or directly market Nico and take a commission is a distinction without difference. Nico ain't marketing and bringing in NIL $; Spyre is. Whether the players shows at events is between the NIL collective and them.

Collectives aren't the problem. Players having no contractual employee or 1099 relationship with the school is. So the collective can either enforce its agreement by withholding payment to someone like Nico, take them to court and run them off, or continue taking a loss on people like Nico to avoid antagonizing them. Spyre isn't there to just be whole/break even, nor should they be. Without them, TN becomes Vandy. Guys will go where they get paid.
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I agree with your points and maybe contracts fix it but collectives can’t keep paying players and not getting return on their dollars.
 
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Delmar said:
I believe it (especially the portal) will correct itself when the players become employees of the university and under contract. That’s the day it truly becomes NFL Lite and a lot of fans will check out.
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Fans have nowhere to go. The Saturday TV saturation of college football is contracted for years. The overall quality of college football is up, we're seeing more schools have a chance to be competitive with NIL and the portal, and viewership isn't declining but rising.

Anyone who follows college athletics now knows the P-4 is pay for play, essentially pro sports. Nobody is turning off their TV over it. In fact, we're early in massive new TV contracts for the SEC and B1G.

The craziness that happens on VN whenever a carrier is renegotiating and Hulu or YouTube or whoever goes dark for a game or two tells me all I need to know. We're not going anywhere.
 
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VawlIn said:
We’re a Graham Mertz gifted fumble and Jalen Milroe not forcing a bad throw to Ryan Williams in the endzone away from having Butch Jones record last year and there’s no telling how much money we spent on NIL
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And I bet every other team was a couple of plays from being bad also, that’s kind of a dumb argument.
 
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Delmar said:
I saw one pundit on TV the other day say that NIL is simply a fallacy. Everybody recognizes that it’s pay for play. NIL is a smokescreen.
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And Ryan Clark said that fans do not matter. If that’s the case it wouldn’t be in everyone’s best interest to not donate or spend their money on anything sports related.
 
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volfan411 said:
I never have and never will contribute. If these kids want to make 2 million they need to get out and earn it by marketing their name, likeness and image. NIL was never meant to pay the players it was meant to all allow them to profit from their name and image.
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Hope you get your 2 cents back for this information!
 
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NEO said:
It’s a double edged sword.

We don’t pay NIL we go back to Pruitt and jones type records.

We pay NIL we cheer on a bunch of paid mercenaries who don’t give a damn about UT.

There had to be a happy medium.

Find guys local who grew up in or near TN and build with the best of those.

We gotta stay out of Cali etc. We get burned every time it seems. Thinking of Toto.
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Absolutely l agree, California has not been great for recruits staying with Tennessee besides the clausens
 
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By the time the ncaa does anything, the damage to college football will be almost unreversable.
 
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