I agree with Lanning ...

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Boston Vol said:
But there’s no need to guarantee a bid. In most cases, conference champions are going to be in the top twelve. Duke was an anomaly this year, simply due to the ACC’s absurd tiebreakers. Clemson had zero business being in the playoff last year. Being the champion of a mediocre conference shouldn’t guarantee a spot in the playoff.
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Brother I stated my case. I'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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#77
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Boston Vol said:
But there’s no need to guarantee a bid. In most cases, conference champions are going to be in the top twelve. Duke was an anomaly this year, simply due to the ACC’s absurd tiebreakers. Clemson had zero business being in the playoff last year. Being the champion of a mediocre conference shouldn’t guarantee a spot in the playoff.
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Your P4 conference championship winner only gets auto Bid if championship game participants were determined by highest 2 finishers in league. That would have eliminated Dook
 
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#78
Baseball25 said:
How To Make Bowl Games More Fun To Watch Than The Playoffs:

During the regular season players get 40% of their pay. Receive the remaining 60% after they play in the bowl games.
Losing bowl team forfeits 10% of their gross NIL pay. Losing coaches forfeit 10% of their gross pay. These monies go to the winning team to be split amongst them. That would be some serious money. You would see the most supreme effort from players and coaches to win their game. Would be the best game of the year.
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What % would be allocated to the refs----they play a bigger outcome in the games and will need their cut
 
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CobbVol said:
If he would have suggested the CFP to be only the top 8 teams it would have been perfect.

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It definitely needs to be FEWER teams, and that's why 99% fans want it to be 16 teams. People are not good at getting what they want.

It's going to get worse and worse. Everybody is clamoring for things that are the opposite of what they say they want.
 
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#81
Things that would make it better, but won't happen...because the decisions of college football heads never make sense.

Do away with automatic qualifiers. If a G5 team is ranked in the top 12 (based on a 12 team playoff)...like a Boise State several years ago, then they can get in. The SOS factor insures that they have to at least play good teams in the power conferences. Same thing for Notre Dame.

Heavily weight strength of schedule using a computer program. Seed teams based on their record and SOS. This would encourage teams to stop scheduling 3 cupcakes a year.

Do away with conference championship games. They're a money grab, nothing more.

Conferences must play the same number of conference games, be it 8 or 9. Nine would be preferable, because it would be more difficult for a team to get into the playoffs hiding from the other top teams in the conference.

Do away with the long gap between the end of the regular season and the start of the playoffs.

Finish the playoffs before the transfer portal opens.

Move the bowl games to the start of the season. The kickoff classic games were almost always fun. What we have now is the opposite of interesting.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It was 100% accurate. You can’t use the excuse of “you can’t contract because a lower seed may win” unless you believe in an unlimited playoff.
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“You can’t contract because Miami, Alabama, and Oregon, (also Ohio State and Notre Dame last year) demonstrated lower seeds can compete.

I don’t believe in an unlimited playoff.”

-kcvols1

Actually that was pretty easy to say.

Unlike your position, it’s even easier to understand.

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Dadof2Vols said:
Miami says hold my beer As how many people argued they didn’t belong.

They just justified the existence of the expanded playoffs. They manhandled tOSU last night And showed the fallacy of the pollsters and CFP committee who looks at W-L not the teams play.

tOSU has played 3 maybe 4 teams with a pulse and lost to 2 of them but the talking heads had them at #2 in nation.

If you don’t want to watch the early rounds don’t. I love them, I just have issues with the beauty pageant teams(G5, ND, Big12, etc..) that get in not the idea of expanded playoffs.
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Strength of schedule and strength of wins, top 8 go according to the computer rankings I’m good with that
 
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kcvols1 said:
“You can’t contract because Miami, Alabama, and Oregon, (also Ohio State and Notre Dame last year) demonstrated lower seeds can compete.

I don’t believe in an unlimited playoff.”

-kcvols1

Actually that was pretty easy to say.

Unlike your position, it’s even easier to understand.

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If you included 13, 13 may have won too. Maybe 16 too. Why leave them out, if your standard is based on who wins the playoff game?

If you allowed 16 teams in, wouldn’t 16 eventually beat a higher seed?
 
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Do away with the committee and go to a BCS type computer rankings.
16 teams with the 4 P4 conference champions and the next 12 highest ranked teams.
First 2 rounds on campuses of highest ranked teams.

Move the start of the season up two weeks and schedule the playoffs so they end before the portal opens.

G5 teams have their own playoffs with the 5 conference champions and next 3 highest ranked teams. Use the existing lesser bowl games for this.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
It has already turned into an "NFL Lite" without the guardrails that the NFL has in place. One of the differences between the two is the input of the polls for college by voters of which there is a bias.

Then you have a committee that determines who should be where. You have ND cutting a deal with the NCAA that says if they are 12th they automatically get into the CFP. So I agree with the computer but there will always be a human teak to the computer rankings.

Should Tennessee have played Florida State or Ohio State in the first BCS. Weinke was out and their 3rd string QB started.

Florida state snubbed after they lost their starting QB due to injury. Computers would have had them in but the human tweak to disregard them. 2023? It takes both, humans and computers to make it right. A computer for stats and humans to look at the real word. FSU earned the right to be there, but the committee did not think so because of the $$$$$.

Their will always be human input in any playoff scenario. Letting a computer run the show is bs. Garbage in = Garbage out. Mistakes are made so humans have to participate. Numbers don't lie but Liars figure numbers. Polls can be regionally bias, conference bias, team bias and committee bias. There will always be questions by humans.

Separate contracts like the ND agreement (in at 12) could/would have made a difference this year. I think it goes into effect next year. So a contract would have put ND in over Miami? or over a computer ranking? All because of a Contract. It is a gimme because of the polls and the strength of ND's schedule.

We are headed to an NFL Lite and already living in one without guardrails. The Big 10 and SEC was at one point thinking about combining to form a new conference with its own Championship?

I vote no, but the NCAA is still throwing darts blindfolded and does not have a solution. Some teams have GMs. Regardless of what happens Tennessee needs to move in that direction. We are headed to NFL lite and not all teams will be included.
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Good points. I thought of the garbage in = garbage out aspect to a computer solution, but just the idea that a Miami/ND last day thing wouldn't happen, or would be much less likely. The Notre Dame top 12 deal is an outrage, hard to believe the conferences agreed to it. But then, everyone has their price, I suppose.

The reality is that this entire debate is pointless for the simple reason that we're trying to figure ways to make the sport better for fans, when what the fans think or feel has zero impact on the decisions that have been and will be made. Revenue, revenue, revenue - how to increase it and who gets it. Those are the only factors in any decisions made about big time college and pro sports.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If you included 13, 13 may have won too. Maybe 16 too. Why leave them out, if your standard is based on who wins the playoff game?

If you allowed 16 teams in, wouldn’t 16 eventually beat a higher seed?
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Eventually, yes. But eventually isn’t usually or always.

In 40 years of the NCAA basketball tournament, a 16 has beat a 1 a grand total of twice. That’s 2 for 158.

Keep the G5s, push it to 16. I don’t think the viewing demand will sustain much more than that.

God willing, Tulane gets lucky 1.25% of the time.

Further, given how these higher seeds have fared in the CFP, I’d rather a patsy than a bye week any day if my team has a strong season in a P4 conference.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Eventually, yes. But eventually isn’t usually or always.

In 40 years of the NCAA basketball tournament, a 16 has beat a 1 a grand total of twice. That’s 2 for 158.

Keep the G5s, push it to 16. I don’t think the viewing demand will sustain much more than that.

God willing, Tulane gets lucky 1.25% of the time.

Further, given how these higher seeds have fared in the CFP, I’d rather a patsy than a bye week any day if my team has a strong season in a P4 conference.
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So how can you declare “they won” as a standard to keep them, without arguing for infinite expansion?

It’s an absurd standard.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So how can you declare “they won” as a standard to keep them, without arguing for infinite expansion?

It’s an absurd standard.
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That it’s statistically absurd doesn’t require infinite expansion.

When you think about it there was no such justification to include 16 seeds in basketball until UMBC, so that couldn’t have been the reason in the Tournament.

It likely just makes the best sense to get to an amount of teams divisible by 4 so as to avoid this bye silliness where superior teams get caught flat-footed.

Heck, in a capitalist society shouldn’t we be pro-competition?
 
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kcvols1 said:
That it’s statistically absurd doesn’t require infinite expansion.
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Okay, so top 40? Top 24?

If your standard is “team x may win, so must be included”, you’re promoting infinite expansion. That’s the standard you’re using when you say “Miami won, so you can’t go down to 8!”

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When you think about it there was no such justification to include 16 seeds in basketball until UMBC, so that couldn’t have been the reason in the Tournament.
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There’s still no justification

kcvols1 said:
It likely just makes the best sense to get to an amount of teams divisible by 4 so as to avoid this bye silliness where superior teams get caught flat-footed.
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8 is divisible

kcvols1 said:
Heck, in a capitalist society shouldn’t we be pro-competition?
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Any game is a competition.
 
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kcvols1 said:
That it’s statistically absurd doesn’t require infinite expansion.
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Okay, so top 40? Top 24?

If your standard is “team x may win, so must be included”, you’re promoting infinite expansion. That’s the standard you’re using when you say “Miami won, so you can’t go down to 8!”

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When you think about it there was no such justification to include 16 seeds in basketball until UMBC, so that couldn’t have been the reason in the Tournament.
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There’s still no justification

kcvols1 said:
It likely just makes the best sense to get to an amount of teams divisible by 4 so as to avoid this bye silliness where superior teams get caught flat-footed.
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8 is divisible

kcvols1 said:
Heck, in a capitalist society shouldn’t we be pro-competition?
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Any game is a competition.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Okay, so top 40? Top 24?

If your standard is “team x may win, so must be included”, you’re promoting infinite expansion. That’s the standard you’re using when you say “Miami won, so you can’t go down to 8!”



There’s still no justification



8 is divisible



Any game is a competition.
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They’re not going down from 12. Too much money on the table.

Just stop at 16. I’m pretty sure the market for eyeballs will do the rest. There’s really no slippery slope to be wary of.

I can’t Charlie Kirk this thing for you. It’s not my job, nor is it within the scope of my human ability to make you realize your reasoning is fallacious.

Good news is I don’t have to!

I just point out BS when I see it.
 
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kcvols1 said:
They’re not going down from 12. Too much money on the table.

Just stop at 16. I’m pretty sure the market for eyeballs will do the rest. There’s really no slippery slope to be wary of.

I can’t Charlie Kirk this thing for you. It’s not my job, nor is it within the scope of my human ability to make you realize your reasoning is fallacious.

Good news is I don’t have to!

I just point out BS when I see it.
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lol you think you just pointed out bs? Your reasoning was a joke. You just randomly being up Charlie Kirk and capitalism and proclaim victory. Embarrassing
 
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Vol8188 said:
It’s not a fallacy if it’s the basis of your actual reasoning for including more teams. When the other poster states you have to keep 12 because they won, he’s using a standard that could apply to virtually any seed
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Funny, I thought it was your basis of excluding more teams because including one means we have to include them all.

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#98
I would only agree to 8-team playoff if they killed the Conference Championship games or make those teams that left their conferences go back and setup the Conferences like they were in the early 2000s with a Big East, Big12, and Pac12 again so that we can have more legit conference champions.

The conference scheduling is too messed up right now with so many teams in the leagues. Miami, for example, was clearly the best ACC team but did not even play in the ACC title game due to unbalanced scheduling.
 
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