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#53
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Vol865 said:
Disagree that Miami shouldn't be in over them when they won H2H but ND should've been in before JMU.
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I didn't say whether Miami should be in or not, my point was regarding the process. Ranking ND higher in every poll, and then all of a sudden H2H means something? In a nutshell that makes the argument against any "committee".
 
#54
#54
Dadof2Vols said:
Miami says hold my beer As how many people argued they didn’t belong.

They just justified the existence of the expanded playoffs. They manhandled tOSU last night And showed the fallacy of the pollsters and CFP committee who looks at W-L not the teams play.

tOSU has played 3 maybe 4 teams with a pulse and lost to 2 of them but the talking heads had them at #2 in nation.

If you don’t want to watch the early rounds don’t. I love them, I just have issues with the beauty pageant teams(G5, ND, Big12, etc..) that get in not the idea of expanded playoffs.
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The more you expand, the less relevant the regular season becomes.
 
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sami said:
You make some good points but totally lose me with the bolded parts.

1. Eliminating home games is an absolute non-starter. If anything, every round until the 'final four' should be played at campus sites. The higher seeds earned the right to have that advantage, and one of the joys of college football is the campus environment that is totally lost with the sterile neutral sites. This isn't March Madness, and trying to compare the two sports is ridiculous.

2. Good luck finding a single human being with no bias or axe to grind - they don't exist. A computer algorythm is the only way we'll ever get lack of bias, which is why it will never happen. They will never give up control of the process.

3. A 32-40 team "power conference" automatically turns CFB into NFL Lite. It's amazing how many people looking for fixes really don't like college football - take away conferences and rivalries, and you've gutted college football.
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It has already turned into an "NFL Lite" without the guardrails that the NFL has in place. One of the differences between the two is the input of the polls for college by voters of which there is a bias.

Then you have a committee that determines who should be where. You have ND cutting a deal with the NCAA that says if they are 12th they automatically get into the CFP. So I agree with the computer but there will always be a human teak to the computer rankings.

Should Tennessee have played Florida State or Ohio State in the first BCS. Weinke was out and their 3rd string QB started.

Florida state snubbed after they lost their starting QB due to injury. Computers would have had them in but the human tweak to disregard them. 2023? It takes both, humans and computers to make it right. A computer for stats and humans to look at the real word. FSU earned the right to be there, but the committee did not think so because of the $$$$$.

Their will always be human input in any playoff scenario. Letting a computer run the show is bs. Garbage in = Garbage out. Mistakes are made so humans have to participate. Numbers don't lie but Liars figure numbers. Polls can be regionally bias, conference bias, team bias and committee bias. There will always be questions by humans.

Separate contracts like the ND agreement (in at 12) could/would have made a difference this year. I think it goes into effect next year. So a contract would have put ND in over Miami? or over a computer ranking? All because of a Contract. It is a gimme because of the polls and the strength of ND's schedule.

We are headed to an NFL Lite and already living in one without guardrails. The Big 10 and SEC was at one point thinking about combining to form a new conference with its own Championship?

I vote no, but the NCAA is still throwing darts blindfolded and does not have a solution. Some teams have GMs. Regardless of what happens Tennessee needs to move in that direction. We are headed to NFL lite and not all teams will be included.
 
#56
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Wahoooo said:
I understand 8 teams , however if there were only 8 teams this year, Miami would not be there and they look like they can beat any team out there with that defense.
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That’s not a valid argument unless you believe everyone should make the playoffs. Otherwise you’re left continually expanded because “this lower seed won and they would have been left out”
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s not a valid argument unless you believe everyone should make the playoffs. Otherwise you’re left continually expanded because “this lower seed won and they would have been left out”
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Congratulations!

I’ve not seen an argument combining Slippery Slope AND False Equivalency before.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmfao if the outcome determines the format, we might as well include all 100+ teams because if you play the games enough a lower seed will always win.

That’s an absurd standard.
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No more absurd than now.

As long as G5 are considered in the same league and a committee has anything to do with it then everything about it is absurd.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Congratulations!

I’ve not seen an argument combining Slippery Slope AND False Equivalency before.
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It was 100% accurate. You can’t use the excuse of “you can’t contract because a lower seed may win” unless you believe in an unlimited playoff.
 
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GVol1966 said:
No more absurd than now.

As long as G5 are considered in the same league and a committee has anything to do with it then everything about it is absurd.
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I’m advocating less teams, not more. So I’m not sure why you’d point that out. Do you falsely believe I want an 8 team playoff with the G5?
 
#62
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sami said:
I didn't say whether Miami should be in or not, my point was regarding the process. Ranking ND higher in every poll, and then all of a sudden H2H means something? In a nutshell that makes the argument against any "committee".
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Oh, I see. Yeah I agree. They overreact and underneath based off of biases and then have to correct it.
 
#63
#63
Vol865 said:
Disagree
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Why? Just take the top 12 teams(or 16 starting next year) and be done with it. There was zero reason for Clemson to be in the playoff last year. Same goes for Tulane and JMU this year. People say it will screw over the G5, but Boise would have made the playoff last year, without the auto bid.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’m advocating less teams, not more. So I’m not sure why you’d point that out. Do you falsely believe I want an 8 team playoff with the G5?
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I’m not disagreeing with you on the number of teams.
I’m just pointing out that “absurd “ is still going to apply regardless of number of teams unless drastic changes to the whole system are made.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s not a valid argument unless you believe everyone should make the playoffs. Otherwise you’re left continually expanded because “this lower seed won and they would have been left out”
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Understand, I guess I’ve gotten tired of ESPN trying to make a play from week 0 of who is the top 8. Same as when there was 4, when there was 2. I know you can say they will still try to influence a top 16, but frankly who cares who the experts feel is number 17.
 
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Wahoooo said:
Understand, I guess I’ve gotten tired of ESPN trying to make a play from week 0 of who is the top 8. Same as when there was 4, when there was 2. I know you can say they will still try to influence a top 16, but frankly who cares who the experts feel is number 17.
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I don’t even care if we remove experts entirely and go back to bcs
 
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onevol74 said:
Better watch ESPN. They will have it a 64 team playoff if you let them. They want to control everything.
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Do away with the regular season. Just let 136 schools in. Opening week—Tarleton State vs Tennessee, Second Round—Louisiana Monroe vs Tennessee, Third Round-Florida International vs Tennessee, Fourth Round-Tulsa vs Tennessee, Fifth Round —Washington State vs Tennessee…..
 
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Boston Vol said:
Why? Just take the top 12 teams(or 16 starting next year) and be done with it. There was zero reason for Clemson to be in the playoff last year. Same goes for Tulane and JMU this year. People say it will screw over the G5, but Boise would have made the playoff last year, without the auto bid.
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Top 12 teams is solely based off of human bias. Winning a P4 championship is a big deal and an actual metric, so I think it should be rewarded. I also feel like it keeps conference championship games more interesting. Obviously you can't reward a P4 champ with 5 losses. Problem is we have too many auto bids, not necessarily that we have them IMO. G5 teams should never get an auto bid. It also gives teams an advantage over ND in rankings when they dont want to play anybody. But we have 5 auto bids right now. I'm saying it should be 3 or 4 and give them to the highest ranked champs.
 
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Vol865 said:
Top 12 teams is solely based off of human bias. Winning a P4 championship is a big deal and an actual metric, so I think it should be rewarded. I also feel like it keeps conference championship games more interesting. Obviously you can't reward a P4 champ with 5 losses. Problem is we have too many auto bids, not necessarily that we have them IMO. G5 teams should never get an auto bid. It also gives teams an advantage over ND in rankings when they dont want to play anybody. But we have 5 auto bids right now. I'm saying it should be 3 or 4 and give them to the highest ranked champs.
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But there’s no need to guarantee a bid. In most cases, conference champions are going to be in the top twelve. Duke was an anomaly this year, simply due to the ACC’s absurd tiebreakers. Clemson had zero business being in the playoff last year. Being the champion of a mediocre conference shouldn’t guarantee a spot in the playoff.
 
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1st step should be to separate out the P4 and G5 teams. 2 different championships.

Then go straight computer model, give all metrics used to the teams and public. Can’t cry if you know what goes into the rankings.

8 conference games - then 1 game against each other conference.
 
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