Hypothetical Situation...

#226
#226
justingroves said:
Lanier was "darn good"?

I missed all those plays he made.

It's probably because the camera couldn't get him in the picture due to the WR having 8 yards of separation
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Once he was inserted into the lineup our defense was pretty darn good. Once again all you can see is 5-7. It quite possible that a player on that team was good or even a specific area of that team was a strength. Why is that so hard for people to see?
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#228
#228
DD4ME said:
We have typical dysfunction in a team devoid of leadership. My only fear is that the guys getting older never learned what leadership is. That would be true for any coach coming in. Look at what FL posters said about the Meyer squad at the end of last year. Supposedly they refused to get off the bus and practice in pads. That was rumored to be the entire offense and they got what they wanted. Fast forward to this year for the gators sprinkled with injuries like us, not much better. The offensive unit sat on the bus at KY. It's a mess no matter what they do to bandaid it. It will take new good players challenging the cocky ones we have now to truly get crap back in order. Our best shot at that appears to me to be one more year of DD and the recruits and then see if light bulbs go on or out.
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That's the only reasonable explanation. Prior to Kentucky, DD has won every game he was suppose to win and lost every game he was suppose to lose. Kentucky was bad and we shouldn't have lost that game but one bad loss in two years and ppl want a 4th coach in 5 years. That just sounds so stupid to me. As long as he is recruiting well and rebuilding our roster he is at least setting the table for the next coach to take us to the next level but some on here don't want to allow that to happen. Those people need to chill out.
 
#229
#229
justingroves said:
Lanier was "darn good"?

I missed all those plays he made.

It's probably because the camera couldn't get him in the picture due to the WR having 8 yards of separation
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Come on, justin. We're going a little overboard now. There's no reason to trash Lanier because you don't like Dooley. You've made that point clear. Lanier was certainly not our worst defensive back.
 
#230
#230
BruinVol said:
Once he was inserted into the lineup our defense was pretty darn good. Once again all you can see is 5-7. It quite possible that a player on that team was good or even a specific area of that team was a strength. Why is that so hard for people to see?
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Curt Maggitt played well.

AJ Johnson played well.

Eric Gordon found his niche as a NB.

Austin Johnson played over his head.

Prentiss Waggner improved.

Malik had a good season.

The OL regressed.

The WR play, outside of Rogers and Hunter, was borderline pathetic.

The RBs didn't look coached (which they didn't have one so...)

Brent Brewer looked lost
 
#232
#232
LawVol13 said:
Come on, justin. We're going a little overboard now. There's no reason to trash Lanier because you don't like Dooley. You've made that point clear. Lanier was certainly not our worst defensive back.
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Laugh a little.

Lanier was a mediocre DB on a team full of God awful ones. Is that saying much?

Coleman improved and Waggner went from terrible to serviceable.
 
#233
#233
justingroves said:
Curt Maggitt played well.

AJ Johnson played well.

Eric Gordon found his niche as a NB.

Austin Johnson played over his head.

Prentiss Waggner improved.

Malik had a good season.

The OL regressed.

The WR play, outside of Rogers and Hunter, was borderline pathetic.

The RBs didn't look coached (which they didn't have one so...)

Brent Brewer looked lost
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Mo Couch absolutely improved as much as anyone this year.
 
#234
#234
TheVolunteer said:
Not smart on the AD department if thats the truth. Dooley might have walked into a mess, but he has proven absolutely nothing other than being able to recruit at a national level. He wasn't a winner at his previous job, and he hasn't shown anything to prove he will be a winner at Tennessee. Why keep him when we can afford a proven winner to come coach our Vols?
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there are 5 million reasons.
 
#237
#237
justingroves said:
Enlighten me, please.
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I'd rather not. There have been hundreds of posts in the last couple months explaining how bad the situation was that Dooley walked into, why he is perfect for the job, and why he deserves at least 3 years before we even consider a new HC. If you don't understand by now, nothing I say will help.
 
#238
#238
justingroves said:
Curt Maggitt played well.

AJ Johnson played well.

Eric Gordon found his niche as a NB.

Austin Johnson played over his head.

Prentiss Waggner improved.

Malik had a good season.

The OL regressed.

The WR play, outside of Rogers and Hunter, was borderline pathetic.

The RBs didn't look coached (which they didn't have one so...)

Brent Brewer looked lost
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Justin,

A couple questions because I know you been around here along time and from my initial impression I think you are a well respected poster.

Have you been pleased with DD and the staff in their building of the roster?

Do you agree the roster was in shambles when DD was hired?

Do you believe JW is a championship level DC?

Do you believe JC is a championship level OC?

I am not trying to pick more of a fight just understand where good intelligent posters are coming from that want DD gone.
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#239
#239
volfan_28 said:
I'd rather not. There have been hundreds of posts in the last couple months explaining how bad the situation was that Dooley walked into, why he is perfect for the job, and why he deserves at least 3 years before we even consider a new HC. If you don't understand by now, nothing I say will help.
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I don't understand how a WAC loser is perfect to clean up the mess left behind.

I don't understand how anyone with a functioning brain can think he is.

Ask yourself this, if Derek Smith, La Tech's former coach with a losing record, had just coached Tennessee to a 5-7 record, would you defend him?

He was put in a bad spot and has actually regressed. That's astonishing.
 
#240
#240
BruinVol said:
Justin,

A couple questions because I know you been around here along time and from my initial impression I think you are a well respected poster.

Have you been pleased with DD and the staff in their building of the roster?

Do you agree the roster was in shambles when DD was hired?

Do you believe JW is a championship level DC?

Do you believe JC is a championship level OC?

I am not trying to pick more of a fight just understand where good intelligent posters are coming from that want DD gone.
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I think so, still too early to tell completely. People thought Kiffin took over a decent roster too.

Yes.

I don't know.

No.

Not Justin, those are my opinions.
 
#242
#242
LWSVOL said:
there are 5 million reasons.
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I just dont see the point in keeping a coach that we hope can be winner here, when we could go the big name route and hire a proven winner. That is, if Dooley's staff happened to fall through. Not only would we maintain the recruits and commits we currently have, but we would most likely gain even more elite talent from making a big splash type of hire. It just seems like the most logical choice in the end.
 
#243
#243
BruinVol said:
Justin,

A couple questions because I know you been around here along time and from my initial impression I think you are a well respected poster.

Have you been pleased with DD and the staff in their building of the roster?

Do you agree the roster was in shambles when DD was hired?

Do you believe JW is a championship level DC?

Do you believe JC is a championship level OC?

I am not trying to pick more of a fight just understand where good intelligent posters are coming from that want DD gone.
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He's recruiting in the middle of the pack of the SEC. Every coach besides Bill Battle has been able to recruit nationally at a pretty good clip. That's to be expected.

The roster wasn't near as bad as some made it out to be. He rolled out with a lot of talented freshmen (most were already here before he got here) and had to play them. He's now managed to go backwards from there.

Wilcox is a fantastic DC. I have no faith he'll be here in 2012.

Chaney has never been a part of any kind of "championship" offense. He's listened to Joe Tiller and Lane Kiffin call plays.

A player's biggest leap is supposedly from his freshman year to his sophomore year. Look at the OL, Brent Brewer and the DL. That's not encouraging.
 
#244
#244
zjcvols said:
I think so, still too early to tell completely. People thought Kiffin took over a decent roster too.(I am very pleased)

Yes.(Worse than since the 80's)

I don't know.(I am sold resounding YES)

No.(No doubt I agree with you here)

Not Justin, those are my opinions.
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#245
#245
TheVolunteer said:
I just dont see the point in keeping a coach that we hope can be winner here, when we could go the big name route and hire a proven winner. That is, if Dooley's staff happened to fall through. Not only would we maintain the recruits and commits we currently have, but we would most likely gain even more elite talent from making a big splash type of hire. It just seems like the most logical choice in the end.
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what big name proven winner do you think will come and at what price??

Tennessee fans are going to be shocked at the next football hire. Be it after 2012 or 13 or whenever, they will be shocked by the process and what they end up with.. there is not a Tennessee guy out there ready to come home and take the job
 
#246
#246
LawVol13 said:
So, you think coaches would be lining up to coach under Dooley, who faces essentially a win next year or be fired ultimatum? I think that would scare assistants off.
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The problem is you don't see coaches lining up to replace Dooley either.

So if you plan to fire Dooley who do you hire? I see no one taking the job that I would say fire Dooley over (Leech could of been a possibility but he is gone now).

That said Dooley is here next year.
 
#247
#247
LWSVOL said:
what big name proven winner do you think will come and at what price??

Tennessee fans are going to be shocked at the next football hire. Be it after 2012 or 13 or whenever, they will be shocked by the process and what they end up with.. there is not a Tennessee guy out there ready to come home and take the job
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Who cares?

Hire the guy that gives you the best chance of winning.

I do not care where he's from.
 
#248
#248
BruinVol said:
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What has Wilcox proved again? I like him, but seriously? The three good offenses we played this year, (and I'm being generous with LSU and Bama) he gave up 38, 37, and 49 respectively. Sure, it's not all his fault with a sucky offense, but still.
 
#249
#249
LWSVOL said:
what big name proven winner do you think will come and at what price??

Tennessee fans are going to be shocked at the next football hire. Be it after 2012 or 13 or whenever, they will be shocked by the process and what they end up with.. there is not a Tennessee guy out there ready to come home and take the job
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I don't care if he's from Tennessee. I'd like a winner. Actually, when Bama decided to go outside the family, they finally hired a winner.
 
#250
#250
justingroves said:
He's recruiting in the middle of the pack of the SEC. Every coach besides Bill Battle has been able to recruit nationally at a pretty good clip. That's to be expected.

The roster wasn't near as bad as some made it out to be. He rolled out with a lot of talented freshmen (most were already here before he got here) and had to play them. He's now managed to go backwards from there.

Wilcox is a fantastic DC. I have no faith he'll be here in 2012.

Chaney has never been a part of any kind of "championship" offense. He's listened to Joe Tiller and Lane Kiffin call plays.

A player's biggest leap is supposedly from his freshman year to his sophomore year. Look at the OL, Brent Brewer and the DL. That's not encouraging.
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If we hired a new coach, how much do you think UT would be willing to pay and who do you think would take the job for said amount?
 
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