Hypothetical coaching replacement scenario

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livefaith said:
The real question should be ... how many big time programs would be lining up for Dools after we fired him. :ermm:
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This right here, and this board and fanbase is once again in meltdown mode. And if that happened, bet your ass we ain't gettin Chucky!
 
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If we win 9 or 10 and go to the SECCG after enduring the past four years of this pain, then our fans are liable to tear down the goal posts after beating UK! The Dools will be safe for a spell.
 
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If Dooley wins 9-10 games, he will be the coach for many years. The two previous years haven't been the real test but this year will be. Though I was disappointed the way they finished last season after beating Cincy in the beginning, there was a lot of extenuating circumstances beyond Dooley's control, Bray and Hunter's injuries for example, which voids those two years as a test. Anything less than eight wins this season and Hart has a tough decision. Let's just hope that doesn't happen. Go Vols!!!
 
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We will see how this year goes, but if this year is a successful one, then it will be hard to get rid of Dooley. I would have no problem with it at all if it were Gruden though.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
Unfortunately not likely.

I would be on board with the hire. Gruden as our coach would be sick.

Help with current roster and recruiting.

Sign a top 5 recruiting class right off the bat.
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How do you know if he is a very good recruiter? A lot of NFL guys come across arrogant cause they are used to dealing with pros. They are not used to pampering and codling hs players and their families.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
I think it would be dumb to fire CDD if he wins 9+ games. A lot of wins will prove he is a good coach imo. Not many coaches that win with a depleated roster and major injuries. Full roster, some upper classmen and our stars are healthy, I think CDD is the man for the job. I also believe Gruden has zero interest in the UT or any other college gig.
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I don't think he'll be fured if we win 8-9 games...

However, if he fails to win ATLEAST 9 games the next year he will get the boot.

Remember, Zook wasn't horrible at FLA but the axed him after year three when they saw the writing on the wall.

With that said... sadly, Zook > Dooley :shakehead:
 
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GmanTN said:
Let me break it down for you Hoss, you have judged DD for the past 2 seasons on his record instead of what he has had to rebuild. I have judged him based off what he inherited and where this team is now in 2012. Our roster to start 2010 (DD first year) was in shambles and the only hope we had was Freshmen playing in the SEC. You are not going to win a lot of games in the SEC when you are forced to start 34 true freshmen the past 2 years to field a team. This is the year you judge the man on coaching plain and simple, if he does well why terminate him? what message does that send out to the country? Hey thanks DD for your 3 years and turning things around but we want to go another direction...that makes no sense.
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Well said! I agree completely.
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
I posted this question on another board, but I wanted to get some feedback here. This is an offseason thread, and I'm just looking for discussion. This is not a "Fire Dooley" thread. Inevitably, someone will take this for more than just a speculation pretend time thread, and I will laugh at them.

Let's say we have a good to great year, excluding a national championship win. 9-10 wins, win the East, win our Bowl. Jon Gruden (or another equally big coaching name, but I'm using Gruden) is on the market. Dave Hart approaches Gruden and he accepts the job & CDD is bought out. If you don't want to think Gruden, picture a homerun, Saban-to-Alabama type of hire. There is very little room to argue that the coach is superior in terms of coaching acumen, recruiting, etc. The coach also views UT as a destination job. No Lane Kiffin repeat.

Keeping in mind all of the above, answer the following:

1) How unlikely is it that we hire a superior coach even if CDD has a successful season? Is there precedent for this?

2) Would you be on board with the hire? Why or why not?

3) What effect would you see it having on our roster & recruiting class? Feel free to break it down by FR, SO, JR, SR, or however.

4) What would the new coach do right away to prove that this was the right move?

I'll start.

1) I'll admit that the scenario is unlikely. If Dooley were to win a NC it becomes impossible, however that is equally unlikely. But! Dooley is not Hart's hire. CDD has not endeared himself to the fan base yet. I won't go through the laundry list of coaching mistakes. He also has pissed off some former players. As for precedent, I don't know of a coach having a good year and being let go purely for upgrade reasons.

2) Of course I would be on board with the hire. I personally see this as the best possible year we could have. Win a lot of meaningful games and land Jon Gruden. The buzz is back at UT. Opposing teams respect/fear us again. We gain all of this by the name of our coach & his ability, not by shenanigans and ESPN stories a la Kiffin.

3) I think we see very little attrition. My next point will expand on this. Also, I've heard CDD is not the most popular guy.

4) Since we had a successful year, the entire staff would be retained, minus Jim Chaney and any clear non-performers, which should be minimal. This gives continuity to the current players. This also maintains our current recruiting class, and only serves to improve it. The defense remains unchanged. Gruden can bring in an OC, but his offense is installed which is a huge win. Our '14 recruiting class starts shaping up to be Top 3 in the nation.


All that said, I'm geared up for a great year. David Ricky Rogers #21, best WR in the nation.
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None of what you stated will happen if he wins 9 or 10 games this year. Gruden is not coming either way. And even if a new coach was brought in I would bet they'd bring in their own staff.
 
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Can someone please name a coach in recent history in the SEC who has had to start 34 freshmen the past 2 years to field a team and was successful with a winning record?
 
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tri_vol said:
How do you know if he is a very good recruiter? A lot of NFL guys come across arrogant cause they are used to dealing with pros. They are not used to pampering and codling hs players and their families.
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Gruden would have little problem with signing the best QB, the rest would follow.

I doubt he would have problems recruiting, his NFL track record and connections alone would make it very easy selling UT.
 
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On the flip side, what if Dooley's hard work, perseverance, and determination in the face of long odds translates into 9-10 wins this year and he is more appreciated by another big school than he is by his own star-gazing fan base? What if he sees posts like this and says, "the hell with it" and moves on to another job, leaving us in the lurch again? People need to remember that legacies and "Big Names" are made in the trenches and guys like Saban and others didn't start winning NCs the moment they stepped on a field. Just because Gruden is a TV celebrity and won a Super Bowl years ago doesn't mean that he'll succeed on the collegiate level or know how to handle these kids. If Dooley wins this year with his recruits, then he will begin to be known as a "Big Name" coach in my opinion.

....but, yes. I would be excited if Gruden were to become coach if things go bad.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
Gruden would have little problem with signing the best QB, the rest would follow.

I doubt he would have problems recruiting, his NFL track record and connecting alone would make it very easy selling UT.
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he hasnt recruited in 20 years. He's never been a college HC. He's been out of football for 5+ years.

yeah, I got alot of doubts about his ability. There's a reason he hasnt got a job yet. Risk>>>>reward.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
Gruden would have little problem with signing the best QB, the rest would follow.

I doubt he would have problems recruiting, his NFL track record and connecting alone would make it very easy selling UT.
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You have the same proof for that statement as the people that say Peyton would sign the #1 qb every year.

What great qbs did he coach in the pros? Rich Gannon?

I heard the same thing about NFL connections from UVA fans when they hired Al Groh & Golden Domers when they hired Charlie Weiss. Worked out really well for both of those teams.

Fact is he can walk in a house and say I know it takes to be a pro. Saban or Meyer can tell a kid I know what it takes to turn you into a pro. The latter is a more powerful statement & pitch.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
Gruden would have little problem with signing the best QB, the rest would follow.

I doubt he would have problems recruiting, his NFL track record and connecting alone would make it very easy selling UT.
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The bold part is very comical, take away Gannon and Gruden has the reputation of the coach who destroys QB's careers.

His connections in the NFL? His track record? The Bucs sucked each year after they won the SB. I am not a star gazer or a big fan of Gruden but it is not up to me who is hired or fired at UT.
 
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volsfootball said:
Why would you ever think after winning 9 or 10 games that ANY coached would be bought out?? I stay amused at half the posts on this site
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Thats funny people make threads not having any idea of what they are talking about if dooley wins 9+ games hes going to be back!!! I think he finally has a staff that can develop the talent we aquire in a shorter period of time!! Throw the talent to the fire it makes you better in the long run... We will back this year!!! I couldnt imagine what alabama felt like all those years between stallings and saban but our nightmare is finally coming to an end!!! GBO!!
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
Because if Jon Gruden, or a similar high profile name, is interested, IMO you ditch Dooley. He hasn't shown enough to be better than Gruden.
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I wouldn't care if you was coaching as long as you win games, you're going against 130 schools for quality kids, you gotta have talent to win, so if YOU can recruit I will :dance:take you
 
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Discussion is always great however when we see a thread every other week about "who will be our next coach" then it gets old. Plus, recruits and recruit parents visit Volnation. What do you think they think when they see a thread like this constantly?
 
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The NegaVols have scientific proof that chat boards has little to no effect on recruits, they also have plans that would create world peace and solve the economy in this country.
 
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LifeisO&W said:
Kirk Herbstreit disagrees with you on Gruden's college interest
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You're about as bright as a bag of hammers, ain'tcha?

LifeisO&W said:
We will see how this year goes, but if this year is a successful one, then it will be hard to get rid of Dooley. I would have no problem with it at all if it were Gruden though.
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Well, that's because you're about as bright as a bag of hammers.

UT's#1Fan said:
Zook > Dooley :shakehead:
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And yet another candidate for the bag of hammers award.
 
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