Hypothetical coaching replacement scenario

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I dont want to flame you because i can almost see the point you are trying to make, but i also can see the point is pretty dumb. The problem is its an impossible premise. Its not just unlikely this would happen, its inconceivable. No one would get rid of a coach after such a successful season, especially considering where we have been since 2007. If it were to happen i would not support it, but i would support an AD change. This would be slightly more plausible if your scenario were we win 7 games and lose the bowl game. I can see an argument being made there. This, however, is not a very intelligent approach. Its not really even discussion worthy.
 
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Wtf? OP says he will laugh at people who flame him then proceeds to make another one of these tired ass threads? Start laughing now Hoss, cause your the only one who isn't at this point. Just plain sad.
 
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GmanTN said:
Let me break it down for you Hoss, you have judged DD for the past 2 seasons on his record instead of what he has had to rebuild. I have judged him based off what he inherited and where this team is now in 2012. Our roster to start 2010 (DD first year) was in shambles and the only hope we had was Freshmen playing in the SEC. You are not going to win a lot of games in the SEC when you are forced to start 34 true freshmen the past 2 years to field a team. This is the year you judge the man on coaching plain and simple, if he does well why terminate him? what message does that send out to the country? Hey thanks DD for your 3 years and turning things around but we want to go another direction...that makes no sense.
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Bingo.....we have a winner!
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
I posted this question on another board, but I wanted to get some feedback here. This is an offseason thread, and I'm just looking for discussion. This is not a "Fire Dooley" thread. Inevitably, someone will take this for more than just a speculation pretend time thread, and I will laugh at them.

Let's say we have a good to great year, excluding a national championship win. 9-10 wins, win the East, win our Bowl. Jon Gruden (or another equally big coaching name, but I'm using Gruden) is on the market. Dave Hart approaches Gruden and he accepts the job & CDD is bought out. If you don't want to think Gruden, picture a homerun, Saban-to-Alabama type of hire. There is very little room to argue that the coach is superior in terms of coaching acumen, recruiting, etc. The coach also views UT as a destination job. No Lane Kiffin repeat.

Keeping in mind all of the above, answer the following:

1) How unlikely is it that we hire a superior coach even if CDD has a successful season? Is there precedent for this?

2) Would you be on board with the hire? Why or why not?

3) What effect would you see it having on our roster & recruiting class? Feel free to break it down by FR, SO, JR, SR, or however.

4) What would the new coach do right away to prove that this was the right move?

I'll start.

1) I'll admit that the scenario is unlikely. If Dooley were to win a NC it becomes impossible, however that is equally unlikely. But! Dooley is not Hart's hire. CDD has not endeared himself to the fan base yet. I won't go through the laundry list of coaching mistakes. He also has pissed off some former players. As for precedent, I don't know of a coach having a good year and being let go purely for upgrade reasons.

2) Of course I would be on board with the hire. I personally see this as the best possible year we could have. Win a lot of meaningful games and land Jon Gruden. The buzz is back at UT. Opposing teams respect/fear us again. We gain all of this by the name of our coach & his ability, not by shenanigans and ESPN stories a la Kiffin.

3) I think we see very little attrition. My next point will expand on this. Also, I've heard CDD is not the most popular guy.

4) Since we had a successful year, the entire staff would be retained, minus Jim Chaney and any clear non-performers, which should be minimal. This gives continuity to the current players. This also maintains our current recruiting class, and only serves to improve it. The defense remains unchanged. Gruden can bring in an OC, but his offense is installed which is a huge win. Our '14 recruiting class starts shaping up to be Top 3 in the nation.


All that said, I'm geared up for a great year. David Ricky Rogers #21, best WR in the nation.
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If we do any of the bolded, Dooley is our coach. I've been critical of him and things he has done, but nothing would happen to him if those things happen. He would also be the SEC COTY, and be in contention for National COTY.
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
I posted this question on another board, but I wanted to get some feedback here. This is an offseason thread, and I'm just looking for discussion. This is not a "Fire Dooley" thread. Inevitably, someone will take this for more than just a speculation pretend time thread, and I will laugh at them.

Let's say we have a good to great year, excluding a national championship win. 9-10 wins, win the East, win our Bowl. Jon Gruden (or another equally big coaching name, but I'm using Gruden) is on the market. Dave Hart approaches Gruden and he accepts the job & CDD is bought out. If you don't want to think Gruden, picture a homerun, Saban-to-Alabama type of hire. There is very little room to argue that the coach is superior in terms of coaching acumen, recruiting, etc. The coach also views UT as a destination job. No Lane Kiffin repeat.

Keeping in mind all of the above, answer the following:

1) How unlikely is it that we hire a superior coach even if CDD has a successful season? Is there precedent for this?

2) Would you be on board with the hire? Why or why not?

3) What effect would you see it having on our roster & recruiting class? Feel free to break it down by FR, SO, JR, SR, or however.

4) What would the new coach do right away to prove that this was the right move?

I'll start.

1) I'll admit that the scenario is unlikely. If Dooley were to win a NC it becomes impossible, however that is equally unlikely. But! Dooley is not Hart's hire. CDD has not endeared himself to the fan base yet. I won't go through the laundry list of coaching mistakes. He also has pissed off some former players. As for precedent, I don't know of a coach having a good year and being let go purely for upgrade reasons.

2) Of course I would be on board with the hire. I personally see this as the best possible year we could have. Win a lot of meaningful games and land Jon Gruden. The buzz is back at UT. Opposing teams respect/fear us again. We gain all of this by the name of our coach & his ability, not by shenanigans and ESPN stories a la Kiffin.

3) I think we see very little attrition. My next point will expand on this. Also, I've heard CDD is not the most popular guy.

4) Since we had a successful year, the entire staff would be retained, minus Jim Chaney and any clear non-performers, which should be minimal. This gives continuity to the current players. This also maintains our current recruiting class, and only serves to improve it. The defense remains unchanged. Gruden can bring in an OC, but his offense is installed which is a huge win. Our '14 recruiting class starts shaping up to be Top 3 in the nation.


All that said, I'm geared up for a great year. David Ricky Rogers #21, best WR in the nation.
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Shoukd have kept it on tos.
 
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chattavfl86 said:
I dont want to flame you because i can almost see the point you are trying to make, but i also can see the point is pretty dumb. The problem is its an impossible premise. Its not just unlikely this would happen, its inconceivable. No one would get rid of a coach after such a successful season, especially considering where we have been since 2007. If it were to happen i would not support it, but i would support an AD change. This would be slightly more plausible if your scenario were we win 7 games and lose the bowl game. I can see an argument being made there. This, however, is not a very intelligent approach. Its not really even discussion worthy.
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So in other words HD, STFU! To close to game time to be starting DA BS like this.........
 
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KingtUT said:
Wtf? OP says he will laugh at people who flame him then proceeds to make another one of these tired ass threads? Start laughing now Hoss, cause your the only one who isn't at this point. Just plain sad.
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And then he disappeared

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#38
People with personal vendettas against a coach are the worst kind of fans, they are also the same fanbase that will never be happy no matter who the coach is. If the Vols have a good year this year those same fans will be going, It's about time, DD got lucky, Yeah but can he do it 2 years in a row blah blah blah.

If DD and the Vols have a great season, DD will go from the hot seat to a coach in demand. If we do not have a good season I will be the first to say it is time to go another direction, we have enough talent and depth to compete since 2007.
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
I posted this question on another board, but I wanted to get some feedback here. This is an offseason thread, and I'm just looking for discussion. This is not a "Fire Dooley" thread. Inevitably, someone will take this for more than just a speculation pretend time thread, and I will laugh at them.

Let's say we have a good to great year, excluding a national championship win. 9-10 wins, win the East, win our Bowl. Jon Gruden (or another equally big coaching name, but I'm using Gruden) is on the market. Dave Hart approaches Gruden and he accepts the job & CDD is bought out. If you don't want to think Gruden, picture a homerun, Saban-to-Alabama type of hire. There is very little room to argue that the coach is superior in terms of coaching acumen, recruiting, etc. The coach also views UT as a destination job. No Lane Kiffin repeat.

Keeping in mind all of the above, answer the following:

1) How unlikely is it that we hire a superior coach even if CDD has a successful season? Is there precedent for this?

2) Would you be on board with the hire? Why or why not?

3) What effect would you see it having on our roster & recruiting class? Feel free to break it down by FR, SO, JR, SR, or however.

4) What would the new coach do right away to prove that this was the right move?

I'll start.

1) I'll admit that the scenario is unlikely. If Dooley were to win a NC it becomes impossible, however that is equally unlikely. But! Dooley is not Hart's hire. CDD has not endeared himself to the fan base yet. I won't go through the laundry list of coaching mistakes. He also has pissed off some former players. As for precedent, I don't know of a coach having a good year and being let go purely for upgrade reasons.

2) Of course I would be on board with the hire. I personally see this as the best possible year we could have. Win a lot of meaningful games and land Jon Gruden. The buzz is back at UT. Opposing teams respect/fear us again. We gain all of this by the name of our coach & his ability, not by shenanigans and ESPN stories a la Kiffin.

3) I think we see very little attrition. My next point will expand on this. Also, I've heard CDD is not the most popular guy.

4) Since we had a successful year, the entire staff would be retained, minus Jim Chaney and any clear non-performers, which should be minimal. This gives continuity to the current players. This also maintains our current recruiting class, and only serves to improve it. The defense remains unchanged. Gruden can bring in an OC, but his offense is installed which is a huge win. Our '14 recruiting class starts shaping up to be Top 3 in the nation.


All that said, I'm geared up for a great year. David Ricky Rogers #21, best WR in the nation.
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This is not a "Fire Dooley" thread. This is exactly what it is.

There is very little room to argue that the coach is superior in terms of coaching acumen, recruiting, etc
How do you know this? What has Gruden proven as a college coach? He won with superior players at Tampa Bay on a roster built by someone else. Was he "traded" away from Oakland because he was such a great coach? Where has he ever recruited? Where has he ever taken HS kids and developed them into SEC players?

We don't know if Dooley will be a great coach or not. But he just might be. Gruden is no panacea. He might be great, but I don't believe it is worth the risk of another coaching change and bringing in someone who may or may not succeed. At least not yet.
 
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GmanTN said:
DD finally has the size and enough depth to compete, lets see how the season pans out.
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Agreed, far too soon to be talking replacements. Let's revisit this in November. I'm thinking this team is ready to surprise some folk.
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
I posted this question on another board, but I wanted to get some feedback here. This is an offseason thread, and I'm just looking for discussion. This is not a "Fire Dooley" thread. Inevitably, someone will take this for more than just a speculation pretend time thread, and I will laugh at them.

Let's say we have a good to great year, excluding a national championship win. 9-10 wins, win the East, win our Bowl. Jon Gruden (or another equally big coaching name, but I'm using Gruden) is on the market. Dave Hart approaches Gruden and he accepts the job & CDD is bought out. If you don't want to think Gruden, picture a homerun, Saban-to-Alabama type of hire. There is very little room to argue that the coach is superior in terms of coaching acumen, recruiting, etc. The coach also views UT as a destination job. No Lane Kiffin repeat.

Keeping in mind all of the above, answer the following:

1) How unlikely is it that we hire a superior coach even if CDD has a successful season? Is there precedent for this?

2) Would you be on board with the hire? Why or why not?

3) What effect would you see it having on our roster & recruiting class? Feel free to break it down by FR, SO, JR, SR, or however.

4) What would the new coach do right away to prove that this was the right move?

I'll start.

1) I'll admit that the scenario is unlikely. If Dooley were to win a NC it becomes impossible, however that is equally unlikely. But! Dooley is not Hart's hire. CDD has not endeared himself to the fan base yet. I won't go through the laundry list of coaching mistakes. He also has pissed off some former players. As for precedent, I don't know of a coach having a good year and being let go purely for upgrade reasons.

2) Of course I would be on board with the hire. I personally see this as the best possible year we could have. Win a lot of meaningful games and land Jon Gruden. The buzz is back at UT. Opposing teams respect/fear us again. We gain all of this by the name of our coach & his ability, not by shenanigans and ESPN stories a la Kiffin.

3) I think we see very little attrition. My next point will expand on this. Also, I've heard CDD is not the most popular guy.

4) Since we had a successful year, the entire staff would be retained, minus Jim Chaney and any clear non-performers, which should be minimal. This gives continuity to the current players. This also maintains our current recruiting class, and only serves to improve it. The defense remains unchanged. Gruden can bring in an OC, but his offense is installed which is a huge win. Our '14 recruiting class starts shaping up to be Top 3 in the nation.


All that said, I'm geared up for a great year. David Ricky Rogers #21, best WR in the nation.
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FAIL:: :spank:
 
#45
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volroadwarrior said:
This is not a "Fire Dooley" thread. This is exactly what it is.

There is very little room to argue that the coach is superior in terms of coaching acumen, recruiting, etc
How do you know this? What has Gruden proven as a college coach? He won with superior players at Tampa Bay on a roster built by someone else. Was he "traded" away from Oakland because he was such a great coach? Where has he ever recruited? Where has he ever taken HS kids and developed them into SEC players?

We don't know if Dooley will be a great coach or not. But he just might be. Gruden is no panacea. He might be great, but I don't believe it is worth the risk of another coaching change and bringing in someone who may or may not succeed. At least not yet.
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It is a useless thread.
 
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JuggernaUT_VOL said:
So we win the east and our bowl game and double d still gets the boot?

And you would support that move?

To each their own, but I don't believe firing a coach who took our program from shambles to winning the SEC east in three seasons (hypothetically), a great idea. So if your boss was let go and your new boss came in and told you he was giving you a chance to keep your job and you accomplished alot in three years. Enough to keep your job anywhere else. And your new boss came up to you and his only reason for letting you go was because ""You weren't his guy""... Would you support that move?
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The real question should be ... how many big time programs would be lining up for Dools after we fired him. :ermm:
 
#47
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I think it would be dumb to fire CDD if he wins 9+ games. A lot of wins will prove he is a good coach imo. Not many coaches that win with a depleated roster and major injuries. Full roster, some upper classmen and our stars are healthy, I think CDD is the man for the job. I also believe Gruden has zero interest in the UT or any other college gig.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
I think it would be dumb to fire CDD if he wins 9+ games. A lot of wins will prove he is a good coach imo. Not many coaches that win with a depleated roster and major injuries. Full roster, some upper classmen and our stars are healthy, I think CDD is the man for the job. I also believe Gruden has zero interest in the UT or any other college gig.
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Kirk Herbstreit disagrees with you on Gruden's college interest
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
1) How unlikely is it that we hire a superior coach even if CDD has a successful season? Is there precedent for this?

2) Would you be on board with the hire? Why or why not?

3) What effect would you see it having on our roster & recruiting class? Feel free to break it down by FR, SO, JR, SR, or however.

4) What would the new coach do right away to prove that this was the right move?
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Unfortunately not likely.

I would be on board with the hire. Gruden as our coach would be sick.

Help with current roster and recruiting.

Sign a top 5 recruiting class right off the bat.
 
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