Hypesman Trophy tonight

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cardvolfan said:
The biggest Heisman heist was Wooden winning over Manning, totally fueled by media who wanted to see that. Also, Hornung winning in 1956 was a total joke as well. I really don't like popularity contests and those that vote for their regional boys. Makes the validity (to me) kind of a sham. It's the kind of popularity contest that is MLB's All-Star game.
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Michigan put on a publicity campaign blitz for Woodson which probably is unmatched to this day.
 
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It was my birthday the night Peyton got robbed. I was 27 and cried like a baby. Vowed to never watch again unless I had a family member there. Also vowed to piss on the side of the Downtown athletic club. Going to New York for the first time this spring. Bail money is saved!
 
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Grudenhaslanded said:
Tua losing is further confirmation that the Heisman is a pointless rigged publicity stunt for anti southern journalists.
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I'm sure it was close but the differences in the Conference championship performances probably determined the outcome in most voter's minds. Tua did not look good and was hampered by the injury. Both were deserving.
 
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#107
Everybody loves a winner......These 3 guys are all winners and will make a fortune in the NFL..
 
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Grudenhaslanded said:
Tua losing is further confirmation that the Heisman is a pointless rigged publicity stunt for anti southern journalists.
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there have been Heisman winners recently from southern schools.. in the last 10 years, 5 winners were from southern teams.
 
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99gator said:
I understand being bitter about Peyton. That makes sense whether one agrees with who got the Heisman that year or not.

Majors and Shuler? Stop, Just stop.

Jim Brown should have won in 56. He's the one with a beef. And one can't even begin to make an argument for Shuler over Charlie Ward before being told to have a coke and a smile and to shut the hell up.
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Tommy McDonald was dang good too. Strong argument for being #1 even over Brown. Based on stats at least
 
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Grudenhaslanded said:
Tua losing is further confirmation that the Heisman is a pointless rigged publicity stunt for anti southern journalists.
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Tua played like crap in the SEC Championship, some of that was injury but a lot of that was Georgia's defense and the fact that he was under real pressure to score for the first time all year. Kyler on the other hand played lights out all year in multiple close games. Kyler deserved it IMO.
 
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Based on pro careers, I will say Peyton was robbed.
Based on pro careers, did Majors even play in the NFL? Hornung was a 1 man team in college playing offense and defense. In addition to leading his team in most offensive categories, he also led in punt returns, punting, and on defense he was 2nd on interceptions and tackles.
You could also say Majors was just a product of the system (like some of you are saying about Oklahoma). Tennessee was the last team in the SEC still playing the single wing.

I guess most telling for me would be how they are drafted by the NFL but that’s just me.
 
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#114
The Hypesman is nothing but a bunch of hype. You can play a bad game early but not late in the season. I thought it was about the entire season evidently not.
 
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#115
And for all you who didn’t know, the left wing media and their fa****-patrol minions are at it again.....let’s try to ruin the young man during the best, biggest, most important moment of his life. I despise these people.....they’ve been sitting on this, waiting on the second they could to ruin the kid.....

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First lets get rid of the word "homophobic". I doubt Murray or most others who have made fun of or criticized homosexuals are actually afraid of them. Just because many may believe what they do is disgusting or unnatural, immoral, or against their religious beliefs doesn't mean they are scared. The gays have chosen the wrong word to castigate their critics.

Second, folks need to get over this PC garbage. Life is not all unicorns and rainbows. In the real world people are not in permanent safe spaces and Americans have the right to speak up if something is happening they may disagree with. You can't discriminate, but you are certainly allowed to free speech. If Mr. Murray used a so called gay slur, he is Constitutionally allowed to do so.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Tua played like crap in the SEC Championship, some of that was injury but a lot of that was Georgia's defense and the fact that he was under real pressure to score for the first time all year. Kyler on the other hand played lights out all year in multiple close games. Kyler deserved it IMO.
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And just pressure in general. I honestly don't think we know how good Tua actually is yet. He's had ALL DAY to throw this year. UGA really is the first team that could provide pressure up the middle and still play close enough in the secondary that the windows were relatively narrow. He's good- but I think there are several QBs that could look pretty solid in his position.
 
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volgrad500 said:
And just pressure in general. I honestly don't think we know how good Tua actually is yet. He's had ALL DAY to throw this year. UGA really is the first team that could provide pressure up the middle and still play close enough in the secondary that the windows were relatively narrow. He's good- but I think there are several QBs that could look pretty solid in his position.
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I agree, he's good, last year in the National Championship game though he had the element of surprise in that Georgia had spent all it's time preparing for Hurts. LSU and Miss State could do similar things defensively to what Georgia did but they couldn't score on Alabama, Georgia could, so this is the only time all year he's really been in a high pressure situation having to keep pace and he didn't handle it well. Tua is a great player, he may win the Heisman next year, but you shouldn't win the Heisman after playing in two close games your whole career, one where you had the element of surprise and one where you looked very ordinary. It didn't help him that Fromm totally outplayed him that game either, that boy was dropping dimes, it was raising my hope that Fields was going to transfer out.
 
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Raebo said:
Based on pro careers, I will say Peyton was robbed.
Based on pro careers, did Majors even play in the NFL? Hornung was a 1 man team in college playing offense and defense. In addition to leading his team in most offensive categories, he also led in punt returns, punting, and on defense he was 2nd on interceptions and tackles.
You could also say Majors was just a product of the system (like some of you are saying about Oklahoma). Tennessee was the last team in the SEC still playing the single wing.

I guess most telling for me would be how they are drafted by the NFL but that’s just me.
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I sort of see what you're saying but Woodson will be in the HOF as well.
 
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volgrad500 said:
And just pressure in general. I honestly don't think we know how good Tua actually is yet. He's had ALL DAY to throw this year. UGA really is the first team that could provide pressure up the middle and still play close enough in the secondary that the windows were relatively narrow. He's good- but I think there are several QBs that could look pretty solid in his position.
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LSU and MSU both brought quite a bit of pressure and Tua was okay. The problem against UGA was that he got hurt on the first possession and couldn't move around the pocket. The pressure affected him more because he basically had to play in a phone booth.

On top of that, Bama's receivers had 5 drops in the SECCG, 2 of which would have been TDs. In a competition where stats are king, those drops were killers.
 
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bamawriter said:
LSU and MSU both brought quite a bit of pressure and Tua was okay. The problem against UGA was that he got hurt on the first possession and couldn't move around the pocket. The pressure affected him more because he basically had to play in a phone booth.

On top of that, Bama's receivers had 5 drops in the SECCG, 2 of which would have been TDs. In a competition where stats are king, those drops were killers.
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True, like I said, he's good. No doubt. It's honestly gotten to the point though, that Alabama is so loaded, it's hard to compare individual players. Put Tua behind JG's offensive line, and how does he do? It's hard to know. His skill sets would still be the same, but he'd be so busy running for his life (and so shellshocked) would we actually be able to realize how great his skills are? I'm not sure.
 
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bamawriter said:
LSU and MSU both brought quite a bit of pressure and Tua was okay. The problem against UGA was that he got hurt on the first possession and couldn't move around the pocket. The pressure affected him more because he basically had to play in a phone booth.

On top of that, Bama's receivers had 5 drops in the SECCG, 2 of which would have been TDs. In a competition where stats are king, those drops were killers.
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On 1 of those "touchdown drops" though you scored on that drive anyway so it's irrelevant, the other "touchdown drop" was underthrown. Tua got knocked down by Miss State and threw a pick immediately after, it makes a lot of difference when you can't just stand back there and play with a clean jersey. He got knocked down repeatedly in the SEC championship and he made some poor decisions after that.
 
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MurphyVol said:
May be wrong, but I think the last 5 are starting tomorrow
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The last Heisman winner that might be worthy of NFL Hall of Fame is 1997 Charles Woodson and he is not definitely deserving but might get in
NFL: Bradford, Ingram, Scam Newton, Winston, Henry, Baker Mayfield. & Mariota
(RG III) on roster and rides the bench.
 
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#124
When you have the best coach, the best O-line, the best defense, and the best refs money can buy and you still can't win the Heisman. lol

Sucks to be Tua this morning.
 
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#125
When I was in my 20s, I could tell you every Heisman winner all the way back to Hornung. After Peyton's theft. I quit. I dumped most of that data from my brain and only remnants remain. The winners since I vaguely recall, mostly due to ESPN highlights, announcers reminding you during games, sports talk and the like. I just don't care anymore about it. It ceased being about the most outstanding player and became about a statement being made by people swayed by agendas. It's a useless and junk trophy imho.
 
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