Hurry Up No More

[teeball]

Having to outscore your opponent game after game is fools errand?
WTF?

LOL ... you're right that was not very well stated. Of course I want Tennessee to outscore every opponent every time. My point, however poorly stated, was that I would prefer not to get into shootouts where the last team with the ball wins. GBO!

 

[photovol]

The Hurry-Up, brings excitement I haven’t seen from Tennessee in many years.
I think if we continue to have such success, the nation and recruits will take a hard look at the Tennessee Vols!

 

[photovol]

LOL ... you're right that was not very well stated. Of course I want Tennessee to outscore every opponent every time. My point, however poorly stated, was that I would prefer not to get into shootouts where the last team with the ball wins. GBO!

Go Teeball

 

[photovol]

LOL ... you're right that was not very well stated. Of course I want Tennessee to outscore every opponent every time. My point, however poorly stated, was that I would prefer not to get into shootouts where the last team with the ball wins. GBO!

We understand
Isn’t it nice for UT to be able to score and score big so very quickly?
For me, it makes me smile while watching a Vol game…….. it’s been so long
Go Vols

 

[Orange defense]

I hope we even speed up faster against Georgia.

 

[wrangler]

Hurry up offense helped us score as much as we did.

If the defense had forced a few punts, they would have had some more time to rest, and it's likely we would have scored more.

 

[dduncan4163]

We’re about 10 years past the spread with tempo being a gimmick.

This

The game has changed. One of the reasons you've seen so many major upsets over the past 15 years is because of the evolution of the offense. Spread them out and go wide open. It gives less talented teams an advantage you just didn't see before the mid to late 2000s.

 

[camp_steveo]

Get a defense that can make a stop and problem solves itself.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Oh boy ... where do I begin? Let’s start with your name calling.

I think you called me a drama queen, a Chicken Little, a straw man and a self proclaimed victim. First, the definition of a straw man is “a weak or imaginary opposition set up only to be easily confuted” which I assume you based on my statement that “no defense can hold up if they have to play 45+ minutes every game” as was the case with Kentucky. I believe that statement to be true. You chose to construe my statement to mean all games played thus far, I did not. However, to review all games played thus far the Tennessee’s defense has averaged 36 minutes/game or 60% of the game which, in my opinion (please note this is an opinion and not a proven fact so as to avoid any future diatribes) is excessive and problematic over the course of a season. Now you may choose to consider my logic as weak which is your prerogative but your name calling was uncalled for.

I never called you a drama queen. I said that we won. People should stop creating drama and acting like Chicken littles. I also pointed out that you were basing your argument on a straw man. Now, if that wasn't what you were doing--including the effects of having to play 45 minutes *every game* as an argument why you have soured on the fast tempo--then... OK, I guess?

But I’m quickly souring on the hurry up offense because as we all know, it puts too much pressure on the defense. No defense can hold up if they have to play 45+ minutes every game.

And per the the 36 minutes. That, obviously, isn't 45 minutes. And you are welcome to your opinions. I haven't tried to rob you of your opinions. Merely underlying statements and logic that aren't valid.

My actual reply:

They haven't had to play 45+ minutes every game.

Geez, people. We won last night. Take a day off from the sky-falling, "have to create drama where none exists", chicken-little act.

And per the claim per my "name calling"... I've reread my replies to you and don't see once where I called you a name.

Since you chose to quote the Bible in your reply to me let me add these two verses for you “Luke 6:31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them” or how about “Colossians 4:6 Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.”

I have treated you how I like to be treated. I corrected you without once calling you a name.

You further state that I followed up my opinion by “insulting the best offense we may have ever had as a gimmick”. Maybe you should once again re-read my post as I never insulted the offense and in fact, stated that I enjoyed Tennessee’s prolific offense. Once again, you misconstrued my statement. Now back to the dictionary since you seemed to take exception to my use of the word gimmick. To quote Webster’s a gimmick is “an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle”. Once again, I believe this to be true. Like I mentioned in a subsequent post, I think the “hurry up” offense will go the way of the wishbone. It too was innovative and used successfully by a few schools but was not universally adopted and eventually faded away. In time I think we may see rule changes that hinder the hurry up style of play and ultimately it’s demise as well. Of course, I could be wrong but as I stated in my original post I was only my opinion.

A "gimmick" is most widely known as (derogatory):

gimmick
[ˈɡimik]

NOUN
gimmick (noun) · gimmicks (plural noun)

1. a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business.

And you partially quoted the definition you wanted to use:

an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.

The vast majority of references to "gimmick offense" is intended as derogatory. It would appear you're the exception.

And again... Hold any opinion you like. I merely corrected the underlying logic.

i.e.

We should move away from the fast pace. It puts too much pressure on the defense. No defense can survive an opponent's TOP 45 minutes every game. This offense hasn't done that. You've admitted that. I'm sorry, but that looks a lot like straw man, manufactured drama.

In closing you stated “now you want to play the victim card because UT fans step in to correct you”. Tell me Mr. UT fan, what proof do you have that my opinion is incorrect other than YOUR opinion and besides who appointed you to correct anything anyone says. Furthermore, you seem to believe that your lame name calling replies to me somehow constitutes a “debate”. To me it appears that you are nothing more than another example of cancel culture where absent any reasonable logical argument they resort to name calling. Geesh!

PS I always preferred Nehi to Orange Crush ... so there!

Again... I don't think ever called you a name. Not sure why you keep trying to bang that drum.

You're on a DISCUSSION forum. No one needs to appoint me to correct you. You should expect it. The problem is that repeatedly, when people would correct you or argue against your opinion, you replied back in full-on GEEZE-SHEESH! mode.

It makes you look think skinned and in full-on victim mode.

Just like your most recent response here, claiming I've been a big meany-name-caller with no right to criticize your post, when all I've really done is offer facts, point out an apparent logical fallacy, and inform you that the argument, as presented, appears to be needlessly negative and creating drama where there is none.

If you feel these interactions have been super-mean and overly ungracious, I'll stop responding.

Good evening.

 

[Volhoops]

Simply stated if the defense is staying on the field too long then they are not doing their jobs. Somebody needs to tell them 3 and out is ok. We have probably the worst 3rd down defense in the nation. Yeah I know talent and blah blah but if you can lead the nation in tackles for loses you may want to scheme up a little more and get some of those on 3rd down plays. I love our offense.

 

[wrangler]

Simply stated if the defense is staying on the field too long then they are not doing their jobs. Somebody needs to tell them 3 and out is ok. We have probably the worst 3rd down defense in the nation. Yeah I know talent and blah blah but if you can lead the nation in tackles for loses you may want to scheme up a little more and get some of those on 3rd down plays. I love our offense.

If you're doing great in tackles for loss, and you're forcing punts very seldom, it's gotta mean that you're giving back a lot of the yards from the TFLs.

 

[Vanhalo]

What is the verdict now?

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

What is the verdict now?

To be fair, we do seem to be using it a bit more intermittently now. It used to be basically every down, but now we’re using it at different times so the defense doesn’t know when to expect it.

It’s quite brilliant actually.

 

[Grayvol]

We score points. Fans gotta realize that the defense is gonna give up stats. They’re tired. We will lose ToP nearly every week. But if we rush the passer and make some big plays on the back end, let’s make outscoring our opponents, a permanent game plan.

 

[sjt18]

To be fair, we do seem to be using it a bit more intermittently now. It used to be basically every down, but now we’re using it at different times so the defense doesn’t know when to expect it.

It’s quite brilliant actually.

They're now more able to control tempo at different levels but the basic model is to run high tempo and force the issue. They still get up to the LOS and then work the clock from there. Basically they're still not allowing subs or a lot of defensive audibles.

 

[CNCVol88]

I do enjoy seeing Tennessee’s offense move the ball and score points. It’s been way too long since we’ve had such a prolific offense. But I’m quickly souring on the hurry up offense because as we all know, it puts too much pressure on the defense. No defense can hold up if they have to play 45+ minutes every game. I’m thinking if Coach Huepel is such an offensive genius he should not have to rely on a gimmicky offense to score points. If Tennessee played a more typical offense using a reasonable amount of play clock the defense might be more rested and have a chance to stop somebody. Having to rely on outscoring your opponent game after game is fools errand IMO. GBO!

Calling it a gimmicky offense just made me stop reading as it shows a very shallow understanding of the offense.

 

[Vanhalo]

Hooker and the hurry up offense forces the defense to make mistakes.

 

[OrangeBloodinTN]

Outscoring your opponent is required to win.

No, we should go back to scoring less points than our opponents. This is a new era! Let's do this, brick by brick!!!

 

[Other_Guy]

On the heels of one of the best defensive performances in a few years and the offense has actually been slowing down to grind the clock out? I smell blue font

 

[St. JohnVolCactus]

I think some of the strategy is waiting for the right opportunity when the right opponent personnel is on the field. Once the combination our staff is watching for is on the field, then they go uptempo and those opposing players are "trapped" and at the mercy of the big play.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I do enjoy seeing Tennessee’s offense move the ball and score points. It’s been way too long since we’ve had such a prolific offense. But I’m quickly souring on the hurry up offense because as we all know, it puts too much pressure on the defense. No defense can hold up if they have to play 45+ minutes every game. I’m thinking if Coach Huepel is such an offensive genius he should not have to rely on a gimmicky offense to score points. If Tennessee played a more typical offense using a reasonable amount of play clock the defense might be more rested and have a chance to stop somebody. Having to rely on outscoring your opponent game after game is fools errand IMO. GBO!

You need to stop thinking. We see physical evidence it hemorrhages your brain.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Double

 

[GulfCoasterVol]

GO Faster !

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK !