Hurd/Kamara ranked 3rd/4th Best Backs In SEC by PFF

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UT's O-Line will only be better this year, there is plenty of depth, Hurd and Kamara will both have great stats. The only two areas that give a little bit of wait and see is the DL and Dobbs ability to throw past 20 yards.......not saying it was bad, but stretching the field improves rushing and YAC.

Go Vols.........gut the gators!
 
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hndog609 said:
The counter to that argument is that in the other games against the same opponents Fournette was averaging 6ypc to Hurd's 4ypc.

Obviously it remains to be seen what happens this season but going on what we have up to this point Fournette has to be considered the #1 guy.
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You did see Fournette's egg laying performance vs Bama last year in comparison to Hurd's right?
 
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Hurd should be 2. Chubb has no business ahead of him at this point. Too many ?????
 
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VersaceButch said:
This is subjective. Impossible to make a claim that Hurd does this without actually seeing him do it. Don't try and state it like it's a fact.
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It's not entirely subjective. Fournette averaged something crazy like 5 yds a carry before contact while Hurd was somewhere around 1.5. I still think Fournette is better, but not by much, and his O-line helps him tremendously and it is an advantage that Hurd has not had
 
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I read an article on PFF a few weeks ago that said Hurd's Yards Before Contact 1.8 was the lowest in the country. I sure want to see him running downhill this fall and not out of the shotgun. Hurd made their Top 10 Performances in the SEC list:


#8. Tennessee RB Jalen Hurd vs. Florida, Week 4

It was easy for Hurd’s performance to get lost in the aftermath of the Vols’ fourth-quarter collapse against the Gators, as they blew a 13-point fourth-quarter lead to lose 28-27. Even more so, the box score couldn’t really capture Hurd’s game, as he needed 28 carries to produce his 102 yards and two touchdowns (3.6 yards per carry). But the PFF grades did capture it, as Hurd produced his highest grade of the year by forcing 11 missed tackles and 88 yards after contact. He overcame some poor play from his offensive line and a dominant performance from Florida’s defensive front (DE Jonathan Bullard had eight run stops and earned his highest grade of the season). We like Hurd’s backfield mate Alvin Kamara as a potential Heisman candidate, but Hurd’s impact on the Tennessee offense is significant, and he’s one of the best returning power backs in the entire country.

Here's more praise for Hurd/Kamara.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-biggest-reason-for-hope-for-every-sec-team/
https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football-top-10-returning-units-in-the-sec/
https://www.profootballfocus.com/co...ckle-in-college-football-fournette-mccaffrey/
 
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Remy said:
You did see Fournette's egg laying performance vs Bama last year in comparison to Hurd's right?
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I saw Fournette's line lay an egg, though in fairness AL didn't much care about anything other than getting to the backfield since they, correctly, assumed all one has to do to beat LSU is contain Fournette.

And again, if you're making such comparison's why not include all the other games played against like opponents?

The biggest difference is Fournette's thoroughly vetted superiority once in the 2nd level of the defense. Hurd's been working hard to address this and let's hope it pays dividends. If so the gap will close.
 
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jacobyvoln27 said:
I am sorry to say, I agree with you. I completely base this on Hurds game against Alabama compared to L.F.'s.
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Bad data IMO.

After I saw LSU's OC run Fornette right into the teeth of Bama's wall of a front 7 for 0 yards ... I thought "no way they stick with this game plan". But play after play after play after play they did EXACTLY that. That had to be the worst static offensive game plan I've seen in years. I don't care if Dickerson, Payton, Peterson, Dorsett or any other NFL HoFer would have been in that backfield in their prime ... they would have gotten killed.

That disaster went on series after series for nearly the entire game. I put 100% (yes 100) of the fault for LFs performance in that game on the coaches backs. They had an entire off-weak to scheme and prepared absolutely nothing. They somehow assumed their OL and awesome RB were going to overpower what would be considered one of the best front 7s (the pro-style group) in the history of CFB.

TNs scheme forced Bama into playing their lighter/faster (spread group) front 7 and came up with an offensive scheme in their bye week that nearly toppled the National Champs in their own house.

Comparing the RB position for those 2 games is like apples and oranges.

I would rate the SEC backs ...
1. Fornette
2. Hurd

... Chubb @ 10-12 due to the question of recovery.
 
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ButchAintOne said:
I don't know every running back in the country so correct me if I'm wrong. Kamara would be the starter at 95% of the schools in the ncaa
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Maybe. Though Kamara doesn't possess the break away speed I thought he had. He got caught from behind a few times last season, and not always by elite competition (See Bowling Green).
 
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Fournette is the best running back in the nation. He is a faster Adrian Peterson. He could have played in the NFL his freshman year.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Maybe. Though Kamara doesn't possess the break away speed I thought he had. He got caught from behind a few times last season, and not always by elite competition (See Bowling Green).
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He is just as much a playmaker as Hurd and Dobbs and they are Heisman hopefuls. I don't mean this in a negative way, just saying for the sake of the conversation.
 
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jimallvol said:
I agree with you on Fournette, and IMO ill take Hurd 2nd over Chubb at this point due to the same reason as you. Its yet to be seen if Chubb is going to be the same back after his knee blowout. I just cant picture a better duo in the backfield than Hurd & Kamara. Them two really remind me of the Auburn duo of Brown & Cadilliac Williams.
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Let's hope not too much, Cadillac Williams fumbled so much he made Arian Foster look sure-handed.
 
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KBVol said:
Just not true at all. Fournette runs with the same type power, better quickness/suddeness and much better top end speed. Give them the same hole to run through and LF is a threat to take it 80, while Hurd gets caught and tackled/pushed out of bounds after 40. Other than your absolute blind homerism, where in the world do you get your opinion from here. You have absolutely no evidence to support it.

Hurd is outstanding and one of the best RBs in the country. Fournette is elite and the best RB in the country.....that's the difference.
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See the Northwestern game.

We finally put Hurd in a pro style offense and he looked godly.

I'll take Hurd over Fournette all day any day. And I can't wait till they get to the NFL. That's when Hurd will show he's better once and for all.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
People point to system and line as a reason that Hurd is considered the lesser back compared to Fournette without realizing the system(and kind of as a result of a system, the line) actually helps Hurd more than it hurts him.

Would Hurd be great in a pro style system too? Yeah, sure. However, the misdirection and threat of the read option that having Dobbs(and occasionally Kamara when they run 2 rb sets) in the backfield gives the team, it makes running the ball a lot easier on Hurd at times. There's not nearly as many people focused on Hurd as there are Fournette, and that's because they can't be, otherwise Dobbs is running off the other edge for 20 yards or more, especially with Dobbs being so smart when it comes to deciding whether to hand off or keep.

The line is assisted by the system in that they're a zone blocking scheme, a far easier system to run(see the Shanahan offenses in recent memory in the NFL, he made a bunch of nobody NFL rbs in to 1,000+ yard rushers because of his o-line zone blocking schemes), which helps open more holes.

This idea that Hurd is punished by our system is a foolish one.
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Northwestern game destroys your argument. That was the best game I've ever seen from Hurd and it was the first time we went under center I formation for significant snaps.
 
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ButchAintOne said:
And Hurd is atleast just as good as chubb and fournette. Consider our o line play versus ga's and lsu's. People will see the truth in a couple of months
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That's what I've been saying. As long as our o-line stays healthy, we'll finally see what Hurd is truly capable of.

He's been hurt the last 2 years because of our lack of experienced TALENT along the o-line.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
See the Northwestern game.

We finally put Hurd in a pro style offense and he looked godly.

I'll take Hurd over Fournette all day any day. And I can't wait till they get to the NFL. That's when Hurd will show he's better once and for all.
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We were also going up against a team that had defensive linemen that weighed what our LBs do. Our line isn't good enough to run the I formation against elite SEC defensive linemen
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Northwestern game destroys your argument. That was the best game I've ever seen from Hurd and it was the first time we went under center I formation for significant snaps.
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One game doesn't destroy any argument, especially when it's against a team that our o-line and run game as a whole should dominate whether they're running the spread/read option, I formation or the wing T. Their ends are 250 and 235 pounds, and their tackles are listed as 300 and they don't even look that to me.

And even if we ran the i-form that entire game and he produced strong numbers(and we ran spread/read option much more than we did i-form), it doesn't debunk the facts I laid out.

Hurd is not hurt by our system in any way. Any negatives like "he doesn't have the time to build up speed" are countered by half the defense having to focus on Dobbs/away from him.

As I said, Hurd would be great in an i-form too, but this system isn't hurting him in the slightest.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
See the Northwestern game.

We finally put Hurd in a pro style offense and he looked godly.

I'll take Hurd over Fournette all day any day. And I can't wait till they get to the NFL. That's when Hurd will show he's better once and for all.
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Hey man, 130 yards at 5.4 ypc and a TD is a nice day for sure and I enjoyed the hell out of watching it happen but "godly"? You do realize Fournette spent his bowl game racking up 212 yards at 7.3 ypc and 4 TDs, right?

Look, giving you every bit of rope there is to give only gets you to Hurd obviously being a damn fine rb who may yet show even more upside in the future. (and as a Vol fan I'm all for watching that happen) Your problem is you're trying to make a comparison to someone who ALREADY is considered elite and if he stays healthy is vying for placement in that "all time great" category. (merely coming close to last year's production will put him behind only Walker in SEC history)
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
See the Northwestern game.

We finally put Hurd in a pro style offense and he looked godly.

I'll take Hurd over Fournette all day any day. And I can't wait till they get to the NFL. That's when Hurd will show he's better once and for all.
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Lol!!! The Northwestern game?? Can't believe you posted this.
 
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