Hunter or Rogers?

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#155
StlCardinals2618 said:
How is he more complete? Hunter is a top 10 pick when healthy. Rogers will be extremely lucky to go in the first round.
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On what planet does Rogers not go in the first round? How much money did you lose betting dez bryant wouldn't go in the 1st? Its already been stated how dr is more complete, but ill briefly recap. Dr can be physical, go across the middle, make the tough catches. Above average hands, fast enough to be a deep threat although its not his forte, threat on end arounds and in return game. As I've said, I think focus is his major problem on the field. Jhunt has not proven he can be physical, I haven't seen him do much across the middle except wide open slants. He is a tremendous deep threat and imo has a great command of his job as a receiver, as well as leadership qualities and intangibles. I believe he can be better than dr, and if he can come back from his acl surgery he will be. I mean really guys, im just talking here and now. Im just happy we have these guys and can have this argument.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Why didn't Rogers benefit from it?
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Rogers is a different kind of receiver. You know this. As a freshman he obviously caught on to his routes slow and was best suited doing runs and kickoff stuff. watch hunters highlights as a freshman. How many of his catches were pretty much streaks or fade routes or simple things like that? Or that super lucky almost pic vs ole miss? Come on guy, I normal lile your posts but are you seriously just gonna nit pick every sentence?
 
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chattavfl86 said:
On what planet does Rogers not go in the first round? How much money did you lose betting dez bryant wouldn't go in the 1st? Its already been stated how dr is more complete, but ill briefly recap. Dr can be physical, go across the middle, make the tough catches. Above average hands, fast enough to be a deep threat although its not his forte, threat on end arounds and in return game. As I've said, I think focus is his major problem on the field. Jhunt has not proven he can be physical, I haven't seen him do much across the middle except wide open slants. He is a tremendous deep threat and imo has a great command of his job as a receiver, as well as leadership qualities and intangibles. I believe he can be better than dr, and if he can come back from his acl surgery he will be. I mean really guys, im just talking here and now. Im just happy we have these guys and can have this argument.
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Rogers isn't that physical. When team played man, he got shut down. UK played man the whole second half against him and shut him down. Rogers is not good in press coverage. Just because he has great size, doesn't make him a physical receiver. He has average hands, average speed, and is decent in separation. Those types of receivers don't go in the first round.
 
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chattavfl86 said:
Rogers is a different kind of receiver. You know this. As a freshman he obviously caught on to his routes slow and was best suited doing runs and kickoff stuff. watch hunters highlights as a freshman. How many of his catches were pretty much streaks or fade routes or simple things like that? Or that super lucky almost pic vs ole miss? Come on guy, I normal lile your posts but are you seriously just gonna nit pick every sentence?
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Any other reciever besides Denarius Moore would have been tackled after the catch on Hunter's td against Ole Miss. Hunter could stretch the field. Thats what they needed him for and he did it great. There are very very few recievers who could make all those catches. Its a reason why he is a top 10 pick when healthy.
 
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I think some are overemphasising JHunt as a deep threat and forgetting how damn slick he looked after coming down with the ball on a 5 - 10 yard pass.
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Rogers isn't that physical. When team played man, he got shut down. UK played man the whole second half against him and shut him down. Rogers is not good in press coverage. Just because he has great size, doesn't make him a physical receiver. He has average hands, average speed, and is decent in separation. Those types of receivers don't go in the first round.
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I guess I just dont see it your way and we will just have to disagree on this. I would almost agree with avg. hands but I dont see where you get the rest. Maybe im wrong but I saw dr get pressed a lot and have another db shaded to him on almost every passing play after hunter went down. Yet he still had 6 100yd games. Dont see how you can do that without being physical. They dropped another guy in the box bc they weren't afraid of any of our other receivers, they could afford to. Ill just agree to disagree on this one.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Any other reciever besides Denarius Moore would have been tackled after the catch on Hunter's td against Ole Miss. Hunter could stretch the field. Thats what they needed him for and he did it great. There are very very few recievers who could make all those catches. Its a reason why he is a top 10 pick when healthy.
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As I remember everyone on d and even some of our guys on offense were so surprised that pass wasn't an int they were too stunned to give chase for a sec. It was a spectacular catch but it was also very lucky. Call it what it is. For some reason you think I just dont think hunter is that good and I can't figure out why. I agree if he's healthy he's a top 10 guy. Im just saying I want to see a full season before I say he is the best. We've seen a full season of dr, let's see a full season of jh and then compare.
 
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chattavfl86 said:
I guess I just dont see it your way and we will just have to disagree on this. I would almost agree with avg. hands but I dont see where you get the rest. Maybe im wrong but I saw dr get pressed a lot and have another db shaded to him on almost every passing play after hunter went down. Yet he still had 6 100yd games. Dont see how you can do that without being physical. They dropped another guy in the box bc they weren't afraid of any of our other receivers, they could afford to. Ill just agree to disagree on this one.
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Its not just you, a lot of people disagree with me on this.

He only had 2 100 yard recieving games against SEC teams and they were Arky, the worst defense in the SEC, and Vandy.

We'll just have to disagree on this.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Its not just you, a lot of people disagree with me on this.

He only had 2 100 yard recieving games against SEC teams and they were Arky, the worst defense in the SEC, and Vandy.

We'll just have to disagree on this.
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He also had a 100% healthy Bray for 1.75 of those SEC games. Matt Simms was passing to him for more than that. Matt. Simms.

Edit: And I'm not saying Da'Rick is better, just saying he set some lofty standards with a gimped QB situation.
 
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#169
They're great compliments to each other, and play a big part in each others success. Hunter or Rogers, Rogers or Hunter, all I know is that our offense looked prolific with both of them on the field.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Justin Hunter got a touchdown against UGA and UF with Simms as quarterback. He also had over 100 yards against UGA and 60 yards against UF.
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I don't remember him throwing constant dirt balls to receivers in 2010. He was at least semi-competent enough to hit the easy routes that year. 2011 was like a deer in headlights campaign for him, and he definitely regressed.
 
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AJeray4TN said:
They're great compliments to each other, and play a big part in each others success. Hunter or Rogers, Rogers or Hunter, all I know is that our offense looked prolific with both of them on the field.
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eh, seems a little less guilded age to me.
 
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Cheese Donkey said:
I don't remember him throwing constant dirt balls to receivers in 2010. He was at least semi-competent enough to hit the easy routes that year. 2011 was like a deer in headlights campaign for him, and he definitely regressed.
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He had to play his first two starts of the year against the two best defenses in the country lol. He may have regressed, Im not say he didn't, but he also had to play against Bama and LSU.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
He had to play his first two starts of the year against the two best defenses in the country lol. He may have regressed, Im not say he didn't, but he also had to play against Bama and LSU.
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I'm not denying that, but he should hit 5 yard out routes against anyone, including LSU and Bama.
 
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