Hunter or Rogers?

#127
#127
allvol123 said:
Or they just remember on the field issues like dropped passes and personal fouls because a db got physical with you and you had to act out.
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The good on the field outweighs the bad... by a lot.

Escape Goat said:
Still can't believe he caught that. Was a terrible throw honestly. DR bailed Bray, and the whole team out with that catch.
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It really was. Then again, broken hand... you know.
 
#131
#131
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Scouts laugh at the comparison between Rogers and Hunter. Thats not a knock on Rogers, but Hunter is just an incredible talent.
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Agreed. Another issue with DR is one of his strengths is his size and power. But that said, he hates DBs getting physical with him. Something he will see at an exponentially higher rate from college to the NFL.

A healthy Hunter is a top 3 receiver in the country.
 
#132
#132
allvol123 said:
Agreed. Another issue with DR is one of his strengths is his size and power. But that said, he hates DBs getting physical with him. Something he will see at an exponentially higher rate from college to the NFL.
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And he gets physical back with them. That's not a bad thing.

He threw Tyrann Mathieu all over the field against LSU.
 
#133
#133
allvol123 said:
Agreed. Another issue with DR is one of his strengths is his size and power. But that said, he hates DBs getting physical with him. Something he will see at an exponentially higher rate from college to the NFL.
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For Roger's size, he is not that physical.

His coaches and SEC coaches laugh at the notion that DR is on the same level as Hunter. Coaches or players do not fear DR and feel the best way to defend him is press man coverage not zone. I don't understand why this offends fans.
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Thats what Buck Fitzgerald says when this same argument got brought up on VQ. He talks to scouts regularly and they say the same thing.
 
#134
#134
Hunter pre ACL injury... Rogers hands down at the moment ( provided his head is on it least his version of straight)


No one knows what Hunter will be able to do 1 year removed ACL surgery.... most likely he wont be as good til year 2 as most athletes arent.
 
#135
#135
StlCardinals2618 said:
For Roger's size, he is not that physical.



Thats what Buck Fitzgerald says when this same argument got brought up on VQ. He talks to scouts regularly and they say the same thing.
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Agreed about your response of him not being physical. That is why physical play completely gets him pissed off and flustered.
 
#136
#136
Da'rick Rogers career stats:

25 games 78 receptions 1207 yards 15.5 yds/rec long 58 11 tds 48.3 yds/game (2010 12.8 yds/game brings avg way down. 2012 yds/game is 86.7)

2011 AP all sec first team
2011 coaches all sec second team

Justin hunter career stats:

16 games 33 receptions 729 yards 22.1 yds/rec long 81 9 tds 45.6 yds/game (2010 avg also brings this down. Hunter was averaging over 100 yds/game in 2011 before getting hurt.)

This proves my earlier point. Da'rick is just better right now. I think hunter has more potential, but that doesn't always translate no matter how bad you want it too. Da'rick is a known commodity, hunter isn't yet. As much as I like Tyler, you can't argue he isn't in the same boat. Only time will tell. A college coach can take a chance on potential, a gm is going to take the known commodity. I also disagree that Da'rick isn't physical for his size. Utsports.com (where I got these stats) has him listed at 6-3 208 and I saw a guy who relished contact and constantly broke double teams while getting jammed at the line, and I saw every game last year and went to several. Hunter is listed at 6-4 200 btw. Also, how many receivers have never dropped a ball their whole career? The same people who complain about the few balls dr dropped are the same people who claim arian foster fumbled atleast twice per carry. 80% of the catches dr had last year went for either a first down or a touchdown, yet all anyone talks about is the dropped pass against USCe.
 
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#137
chattavfl86 said:
Da'rick Rogers career stats:

25 games 78 receptions 1207 yards 15.5 yds/rec long 58 11 tds 48.3 yds/game (2010 12.8 yds/game brings avg way down. 2012 yds/game is 86.7)

2011 AP all sec first team
2011 coaches all sec second team

Justin hunter career stats:

16 games 33 receptions 729 yards 22.1 yds/rec long 81 9 tds 45.6 yds/game (2010 avg also brings this down. Hunter was averaging over 100 yds/game in 2011 before getting hurt.)

This proves my earlier point. Da'rick is just better right now. I think hunter has more potential, but that doesn't always translate no matter how bad you want it too. Da'rick is a known commodity, hunter isn't yet. As much as I like Tyler, you can't argue he isn't in the same boat. Only time will tell. A college coach can take a chance on potential, a gm is going to take the known commodity. I also disagree that Da'rick isn't physical for his size. Utsports.com (where I got these stats) has him listed at 6-3 208 and I saw a guy who relished contact and constantly broke double teams while getting jammed at the line, and I saw every game last year and went to several. Hunter is listed at 6-4 200 btw. Also, how many receivers have never dropped a ball their whole career? The same people who complain about the few balls dr dropped are the same people who claim arian foster fumbled atleast twice per carry. 80% of the catches dr had last year went for either a first down or a touchdown, yet all anyone talks about is the dropped pass against USCe.
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Hunter has more touchdowns against SEC teams in one year then Darick has in 2 years combined.
 
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#138
chattavfl86 said:
Da'rick Rogers career stats:

25 games 78 receptions 1207 yards 15.5 yds/rec long 58 11 tds 48.3 yds/game (2010 12.8 yds/game brings avg way down. 2012 yds/game is 86.7)

2011 AP all sec first team
2011 coaches all sec second team

Justin hunter career stats:

16 games 33 receptions 729 yards 22.1 yds/rec long 81 9 tds 45.6 yds/game (2010 avg also brings this down. Hunter was averaging over 100 yds/game in 2011 before getting hurt.)

This proves my earlier point. Da'rick is just better right now. I think hunter has more potential, but that doesn't always translate no matter how bad you want it too. Da'rick is a known commodity, hunter isn't yet. As much as I like Tyler, you can't argue he isn't in the same boat. Only time will tell. A college coach can take a chance on potential, a gm is going to take the known commodity. I also disagree that Da'rick isn't physical for his size. Utsports.com (where I got these stats) has him listed at 6-3 208 and I saw a guy who relished contact and constantly broke double teams while getting jammed at the line, and I saw every game last year and went to several. Hunter is listed at 6-4 200 btw. Also, how many receivers have never dropped a ball their whole career? The same people who complain about the few balls dr dropped are the same people who claim arian foster fumbled atleast twice per carry. 80% of the catches dr had last year went for either a first down or a touchdown, yet all anyone talks about is the dropped pass against USCe.
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Are you unaware of the fact that Hunter was on pace to blow Da'Rick out of the water until the injury last year? Surely your memory isn't that bad.
 
#139
#139
chattavfl86 said:
Da'rick Rogers career stats:

25 games 78 receptions 1207 yards 15.5 yds/rec long 58 11 tds 48.3 yds/game (2010 12.8 yds/game brings avg way down. 2012 yds/game is 86.7)

2011 AP all sec first team
2011 coaches all sec second team

Justin hunter career stats:

16 games 33 receptions 729 yards 22.1 yds/rec long 81 9 tds 45.6 yds/game (2010 avg also brings this down. Hunter was averaging over 100 yds/game in 2011 before getting hurt.)

This proves my earlier point. Da'rick is just better right now. I think hunter has more potential, but that doesn't always translate no matter how bad you want it too. Da'rick is a known commodity, hunter isn't yet. As much as I like Tyler, you can't argue he isn't in the same boat. Only time will tell. A college coach can take a chance on potential, a gm is going to take the known commodity. I also disagree that Da'rick isn't physical for his size. Utsports.com (where I got these stats) has him listed at 6-3 208 and I saw a guy who relished contact and constantly broke double teams while getting jammed at the line, and I saw every game last year and went to several. Hunter is listed at 6-4 200 btw. Also, how many receivers have never dropped a ball their whole career? The same people who complain about the few balls dr dropped are the same people who claim arian foster fumbled atleast twice per carry. 80% of the catches dr had last year went for either a first down or a touchdown, yet all anyone talks about is the dropped pass against USCe.
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All this proves is that Hunter was better before he got hurt.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Hunter has more touchdowns against SEC teams in one year then Darick has in 2 years combined.
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Understandable, and I hope it remains that way. The stats speak for themselves, which is my point. By the end of the year ask me the same question and I hope I can say hunter, but right now dr has the experience, the accolades, and is more complete. I am in no way trying to diminish hunter, make no mistake about that. Im just answering the question honestly with current info. Dr is better right now. I hope Jhunt can come off this injury, pick up where he left off, and blow out the record books
 
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LifeisO&W said:
Are you unaware of the fact that Hunter was on pace to blow Da'Rick out of the water until the injury last year? Surely your memory isn't that bad.
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On pace and actually doing are two different things. Its a simple point, I dont know why im catching flak over it. Look at it objectively. I've not said hunter is a bad receiver. I've even said he has greater potential than dr. If you ask me their ratings coming out of high school should have been flipped. All im saying is I choose Da'rick bc to date he has proven more.
 
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chattavfl86 said:
Understandable, and I hope it remains that way. The stats speak for themselves, which is my point. By the end of the year ask me the same question and I hope I can say hunter, but right now dr has the experience, the accolades, and is more complete. I am in no way trying to diminish hunter, make no mistake about that. Im just answering the question honestly with current info. Dr is better right now. I hope Jhunt can come off this injury, pick up where he left off, and blow out the record books
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How is he more complete? Hunter is a top 10 pick when healthy. Rogers will be extremely lucky to go in the first round.
 
#145
#145
EricBerryistheMan said:
All this proves is that Hunter was better before he got hurt.
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Hunter benefited from two pretty good senior receivers his freshman year. That's just honest. His routes were pretty straight forward. Run down field and jump higher than the other guy while dmo and gjones are drawing coverage. Last year he was tearing it up, looked like he knew all his routes and was running crisp, better knowledge of the offense than dr. But he got hurt. If he hadn't, who knows? If ifs and buts were candy and nuts I'd sell them and buy a #11 jersey.
 
#147
#147
I honestly am torn over who is better based strictly on talent.

With both of them healthy for a full season, I think their overall numbers will be similar.
 
#148
#148
chattavfl86 said:
Hunter benefited from two pretty good senior receivers his freshman year. That's just honest. His routes were pretty straight forward. Run down field and jump higher than the other guy while dmo and gjones are drawing coverage. Last year he was tearing it up, looked like he knew all his routes and was running crisp, better knowledge of the offense than dr. But he got hurt. If he hadn't, who knows? If ifs and buts were candy and nuts I'd sell them and buy a #11 jersey.
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Why didn't Rogers benefit from it?
 
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