Hugh Freeze mega thread and poll [merged]

[jcanvolfan]

Seriously doubt any outcome on Saturday will save Pruitt based on the sentiment with boosters. Auburn/SC firings plus the significant recruit bleeding over the past 3 weeks is driving the urgency (On field performance also being the biggest influencer).

Don’t see Pruitt getting fired or Freeze hired as long as Fulmer is AD.

 

[peerless98]

I'm not worked up. Reading my posts confirm that. I'm just tired of terrible football. I really don't care who the coach is, as long as they can consistently win. It shouldn't be difficult to be over .500 every year at Tennessee.

I didn't intend to sound like I thought you were worked up; I was referring to the vocal minority who lobby for Coach so and so or bust.

 

[MIT_Beaver]

Don’t see Pruitt getting fired or Freeze hired as long as Fulmer is AD.

Fulmer isn’t immune to pressure from boosters. Plus, you never know - getting a new coach could partly be Fulmer’s idea.

 

[rikberry31]

Fulmer isn’t immune to pressure from boosters. Plus, you never know - getting a new coach could partly be Fulmer’s idea.

Dude, not again you have no clue.

 

[peerless98]

Dude, not again you have no clue.

But, but.....he heard it at the golf course while drinking Pappy Van Winkle.

 

[rikberry31]

But, but.....he heard it at the golf course while drinking Pappy Van Winkle.

I know for a fact that MIT is talking out of his a$$.

 

[peerless98]

I know for a fact that MIT is talking out of his a$$.

I 2nd that emotion

 

[TNHopeful505]

Who would win in this scenario, new or old money?

It depends on if they're fighting with prison rules or not.

 

[Smokey X]

Ij got off a call and I was told by a source I trust to the utmost power that if the young money convinces CPF to fire on Sunday CJP will tk a buyout and Freeze will be the new HC. I was also told that the old money wants Billy Napier.

Young money....now who would that be?...

 

[87&91ALUM]

I love multiple voting. Can we have multiple staffs? One to whine about. One to fire.

 

[Volbrando]

Don’t see Pruitt getting fired or Freeze hired as long as Fulmer is AD.

Not sure Fulmer would be making the call honestly

 

[give_him 6]

Young money....now who would that be?...

Didn't know they were Vol fans.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

I can't vote either way on this poll. I do think Freeze has learned a hard lesson on how not to do things in recruiting and would be better at avoiding trouble when operating in the gray area of the NCAA rules. He also should be able to keep things in order with his personal life. I don't see any problems off the field. On the field, I do think he would improve the team and definitely put together an exciting offense. My only question is...what's would the ceiling be? Averaging 8-9 wins per season with a 10-11 win season every few years or would he have UT consistently at the top of the SEC? I think it's possible that he gets UT to an elite level but it's not a lock. His last season at Ole Miss was a huge drop off.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Don’t do this to us again

It’s your own fault if you fall for it. He’s probably in disbelief anyone is falling for it again too.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I would be open to a wager, terms if Pruitt is fired by end of next week fair?

Fired by what date?

 

[jcvols24]

While I would enjoy this coming to fruition, I just don't believe it true. Beaver showed his true colors with the Grumors and this is just more of the same. He's trying to get Volnation riled up to the point where his group's choice (Freeze) would seem the only logical choice to calm the masses. The only thing diffetent this go around is I think Freeze would say yes.

Just remember this type of tomfoolery is what got us Pruitt.

 

[jcanvolfan]

Although I don’t think it happens , this year anyway, Fulmer did say the coach would be judged on his performance against the big three. So far 0-9. When thats 0-12 next year he will be forced to make a move, but Freeze will be at Auburn by then.

 

[CINCYVOL]

I would be open to a wager, terms if Pruitt is fired by end of next week fair?

the Gruden search was a thing of beauty, Pulitzer winning stuff. Hope this isn’t really the same guy, it’d be disappointing.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I am going to send the $20 today if I get the info and in the instance I win the other guy refunds that plus his share. I don’t know what UTAD will do but I find it hard to believe Pruitt isn’t gone by the latest next week based on the conversations I have had with influential people. Those people were beyond pissed after Kentucky and the momentum has only grown to get Pruitt out since.

Let’s talk serious money, how about 2k or 20k?

 

[Birdie]

I don't have any inside info on hirings/firings but can provide some perspective on current mindset of high level donors towards the program.

I sat in TN terrace with some higher level donors during the Bama game. They left in the 2nd qtr, disgusted by the on-field product and have verbally stated they're tired of the lack of success. Tired of hearing the same crap we all hear, "we're going to be good next year." See, people like this look at the money donated as an investment and success is their ROI and currently they're getting no return on their investment. Do you think people who have the level of financial success it takes to be able to donate large sums of cash don't take ROI on their investments or time seriously? The people I know are true fanatics. They're donating because, like us, they LOVE TN, and I'd say most donors are this way as well, there are plenty of other non-profits they can donate too.

I don't know what their future donation plans are or if other donors of their level feel the same, these are the only ones I personally know well. However, it is logical deduction that the other large boosters feel the same frustration with the program.

I personally think the program is coming to an impasse. It is losing/has lost a generation of fans via the lack of winning, the diehards have become apathetic, and its' boosters are seriously questioning the ROI on their investment in the program. Does the AD dept. sincerely understand and realize this? Are they willing to do what it takes to win? It's going to take more than spending money, will they do that?

This is a huge decision for TN, if they keep CJP and he fails I think the fallout could be program changing.

 

[MIT_Beaver]

Let’s talk serious money, how about 2k or 20k?

Only make bets like that on TD Ameritrade.

 

[bpalmer28]

If we are going to Fire CJP why settle for Freeze.....or Napier. Sure there will be Some great Coaches available at the End of the NFL Season. Spend the $$$ and go big....

Some want Hugh Freeze Really.... His Coaching Résumé
2019 Liberty (Head Coach)
2018 Out of Coaching
2017 Resigned
2016 Mississippi Season 5-7
2015 Mississippi Season 10-3
2014 Mississippi Season 9-4
2013 Mississippi Season 8-5
2012 Mississippi Season 7-6

If we are going to make a Change lets ensure we make a change with a Coach that can win in the SEC. Best Yr was the results of Getting Caught Cheating...

No thanks....

1. That Ole Miss record is impressive. He inherited a 2-win team and they improved every year until the NCAA investigation.
2. Why aren’t you looking at what he’s done at Liberty? You don’t do what he’s done this year at Liberty unless you’re a great coach. He’s 2-1 against the ACC with a JUCO squad and his only loss was by a point thanks to a blocked FG as time expired.

It ain’t settling when you hire the best. He’s the best.

 

[bpalmer28]

Didn’t bother liberty

Because they’ve taken the time to get to know Freeze. He’s a good hearted dude who has made some mistakes. Fewer mistakes than most of this board probably... his just became public.

 

[colo74vol]

I don't have any inside info on hirings/firings but can provide some perspective on current mindset of high level donors towards the program.

I sat in TN terrace with some higher level donors during the Bama game. They left in the 2nd qtr, disgusted by the on-field product and have verbally stated they're tired of the lack of success. Tired of hearing the same crap we all hear, "we're going to be good next year." See, people like this look at the money donated as an investment and success is their ROI and currently they're getting no return on their investment. Do you think people who have the level of financial success it takes to be able to donate large sums of cash don't take ROI on their investments or time seriously? The people I know are true fanatics. They're donating because, like us, they LOVE TN, and I'd say most donors are this way as well, there are plenty of other non-profits they can donate too.

I don't know what their future donation plans are or if other donors of their level feel the same, these are the only ones I personally know well. However, it is logical deduction that the other large boosters feel the same frustration with the program.

I personally think the program is coming to an impasse. It is losing/has lost a generation of fans via the lack of winning, the diehards have become apathetic, and its' boosters are seriously questioning the ROI on their investment in the program. Does the AD dept. sincerely understand and realize this? Are they willing to do what it takes to win? It's going to take more than spending money, will they do that?

This is a huge decision for TN, if they keep CJP and he fails I think the fallout could be program changing.

This comment really nailed it. I donate (small amounts) to the business school (not UT) I attended, but the dean that was recently brought on has been taking things things in a negative direction, lowered rankings, etc. Made me really think twice about throwing money at something that's being mismanaged. I can't imagine how it would feel if I donated six or seven figures like a big time UT donor only to to see the ROI get worse and worse. Seems like the UT athletic dept is just letting this thing spiral downward...

 

[give_him 6]

For those of you who are fairly new to VN or those of you who somehow put the nightmare of past coaching searches behind you, let me remind everyone of our embarrassing past misery. What have we learned from previous coaching searches after Kiffin, Dooley, and Jones?

1. There are no real insiders here on VN. Only trolls. We all know the names from the Grumor hysteria and they are back.

2. Be discerning when reading posts from those on here from individuals with only a post history of 2,3, or a handful of posts that claim to have close ties with boosters and haven't posted about anything else except the possibility of CJP being fired. This is a trap.

You have been warned. It's a painful lesson to buy into Grumors Hughmors. Its fun to dream of what could be but the claims to have inside scoop are nothing more than fiction.